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Reply #15 - May 20^th, 2012 at 10:39am

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 10:14am:

MOTR wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 10:03am:

Any idea why it is warming at the moment, Avram?

You know the planet of Mars is warming at same rate.
Is that humans too?

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Last I heard, this propaganda died a horrid death ... like the Australian that died in the wildfires caused by AGW.

Why are the denialists forcing up the cost of living and attacking our wealth by their inaction.

Stop the denialists attack on your wealth by challenging their propaganda where ever you see it.

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Reply #16 - May 20^th, 2012 at 10:40am

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

____ wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 10:37am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 10:13am:

It is the responsibility of China, USA and India.

You know they 3 cause 50% of world CO2?

In Israel for example we cause 0.1%.

You see who need to take action?

Australia - you are less than 0.13%. Who cares what you do? it dont matter to world total.

Like Iran has 0.001% of the nuclear weapons.

Why act on Iran

Because Iran directly threatens the safety of the Israeli people.

But this is not to do with this topic./

And AGW is a direct threat to ALL Australians.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Record Temperatures in the Pipeline. Reply #17 - May 20^th, 2012 at 1:48pm But you understand it make no difference at all what Australia do. You are 0.13%!!!! China is 30%!!!!
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Reply #18 - May 20^th, 2012 at 2:11pm

All countries have a moral obligation to do their bit. Too many free riders and we are all in big trouble. Each country that comes on board brings us one step closer to a collective response. Each country that reneges on their moral duty takes us one step back.

Technology developed in Australia crosses international borders and its impact can be felt worldwide. what happens in Australia is important.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Reply #19 - May 20^th, 2012 at 2:21pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

But you understand it make no difference at all what Australia do.
You are 0.13%!!!!

China is 30%!!!!

Prove that Australia acting on her carbon footprint makes no difference.

i.e
Australian Research and Development produces a cheap,green and clean power source, financed via a carbon price, that is exported to the world.

Would this make a difference?

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Reply #20 - May 20^th, 2012 at 2:34pm

____ wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 2:21pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

But you understand it make no difference at all what Australia do.
You are 0.13%!!!!

China is 30%!!!!

Prove that Australia acting on her carbon footprint makes no difference.

You think a country that makes 0.13% like Australia or 0.1% like we in Israel is the same impact as the worst of 30% planet emissions??

You really need me to prove this??

It is simply mathematics!

China cuts 10% and it will be 3 times the total of Australia or Israel's emission now!!!

You need this explained to you? Shocked

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Record Temperatures in the Pipeline. Reply #21 - May 20^th, 2012 at 2:35pm I did not say do nothing But in Israel we are classed as developing country and we are only 0.1% so we do not matter. We still do some things but it is not a priority for us. Big countrys must act before we do.
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Reply #22 - May 20^th, 2012 at 2:54pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 2:34pm:

____ wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 2:21pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

But you understand it make no difference at all what Australia do.
You are 0.13%!!!!

China is 30%!!!!

Prove that Australia acting on her carbon footprint makes no difference.

You think a country that makes 0.13% like Australia or 0.1% like we in Israel is the same impact as the worst of 30% planet emissions??

You really need me to prove this??

It is simply mathematics!

China cuts 10% and it will be 3 times the total of Australia or Israel's emission now!!!

You need this explained to you? Shocked

How would China and the rest of the world cut its carbon pollution to sustainable levels?

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Reply #23 - May 20^th, 2012 at 2:56pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

I did not say do nothing

But in Israel we are classed as developing country and we are only 0.1% so we do not matter.
We still do some things but it is not a priority for us.

Big countrys must act before we do.

Why do people living in poverty have to cut back their lifestyles, while those that over consume, in first world nations, ramp up their lifestyles and carbon pollution even more.

Like to explain your logic?

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Reply #24 - May 20^th, 2012 at 3:00pm

____ wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 2:56pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

I did not say do nothing

But in Israel we are classed as developing country and we are only 0.1% so we do not matter.
We still do some things but it is not a priority for us.

Big countrys must act before we do.

Why do people living in poverty have to cut back their lifestyles, while those that over consume, in first world nations, ramp up their lifestyles and carbon pollution even more.

Like to explain your logic?

Who is saying first world and third world nations?
You know my country is class by UN as 'developing country' so no i do not think this way thank you.

I say that the worst polluters can make a difference.

A country (first world) - Australia pollution 0.13%.

A country (third world) - Israel pollution 0.1%.

If we stop all pollution we stop 0.23%.

Our total pollution is just less than 1% of China's pollution.

So my friend who can make a difference?
The country who pollutes 30% of the world total or the country who does 0.1%.

It is simply mathematics.

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Reply #25 - May 20^th, 2012 at 3:02pm

____ wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 2:54pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 2:34pm:

____ wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 2:21pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

But you understand it make no difference at all what Australia do.
You are 0.13%!!!!

China is 30%!!!!

Prove that Australia acting on her carbon footprint makes no difference.

You think a country that makes 0.13% like Australia or 0.1% like we in Israel is the same impact as the worst of 30% planet emissions??

You really need me to prove this??

It is simply mathematics!

China cuts 10% and it will be 3 times the total of Australia or Israel's emission now!!!

You need this explained to you? Shocked

How would China and the rest of the world cut its carbon pollution to sustainable levels?

Many ways.
Stop building dirty coal power stations.
China is building more coal power stations than all rest of world add together - did you know this?

Also nuclear, this can be low emission.

China, USA and India need to cut their pollution. Only USA is doing this now. Both others are increasing and make problem worse.

Israel - we are still 0.1% - we do not matter.

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Reply #26 - May 20^th, 2012 at 3:05pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 3:00pm:

____ wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 2:56pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

I did not say do nothing

But in Israel we are classed as developing country and we are only 0.1% so we do not matter.
We still do some things but it is not a priority for us.

Big countrys must act before we do.

Why do people living in poverty have to cut back their lifestyles, while those that over consume, in first world nations, ramp up their lifestyles and carbon pollution even more.

Like to explain your logic?

Who is saying first world and third world nations?
You know my country is class by UN as 'developing country' so no i do not think this way thank you.

I say that the worst polluters can make a difference.

A country (first world) - Australia pollution 0.13%.

A country (third world) - Israel pollution 0.1%.

If we stop all pollution we stop 0.23%.

Our total pollution is just less than 1% of China's pollution.

So my friend who can make a difference?
The country who pollutes 30% of the world total or the country who does 0.1%.

It is simply mathematics.

Yes simple maths.

Australians create 400% more than their Chinese friends.

Why do a per capita chinese person have to reduce his/her carbon footprint, while Clive Palmer increases his?

How is this fair?

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Record Temperatures in the Pipeline. Reply #27 - May 20^th, 2012 at 3:09pm I dont care about fair. I care about reducing pollution. If Australia reduces it goes down from 0.13%. If China reduces it goes down from 30%. China matters, Australia is just so small it make no difference. Who cares about fair? Care about the problem and fixing it.
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Reply #28 - May 20^th, 2012 at 3:10pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 3:02pm:

____ wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 2:54pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 2:34pm:

____ wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 2:21pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

But you understand it make no difference at all what Australia do.
You are 0.13%!!!!

China is 30%!!!!

Prove that Australia acting on her carbon footprint makes no difference.

You think a country that makes 0.13% like Australia or 0.1% like we in Israel is the same impact as the worst of 30% planet emissions??

You really need me to prove this??

It is simply mathematics!

China cuts 10% and it will be 3 times the total of Australia or Israel's emission now!!!

You need this explained to you? Shocked

How would China and the rest of the world cut its carbon pollution to sustainable levels?

Many ways.
Stop building dirty coal power stations.
China is building more coal power stations than all rest of world add together - did you know this?

Also nuclear, this can be low emission.

China, USA and India need to cut their pollution. Only USA is doing this now. Both others are increasing and make problem worse.

Israel - we are still 0.1% - we do not matter.

China is building tiny, highly efficient coal power stations ... so the one a week is only half the truth.

China is also world leaders in some green energy technology like wind.

Now you said the USA is cutting their pollution ... How?

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Reply #29 - May 20^th, 2012 at 3:12pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 3:09pm:

I dont care about fair.

I care about reducing pollution.

If Australia reduces it goes down from 0.13%.

If China reduces it goes down from 30%.

China matters, Australia is just so small it make no difference.

Who cares about fair?

Care about the problem and fixing it.

And thats your tactic. You want unfair outcomes so you can ride on the back of Chinese and Indians.

Australia is one of the biggest polluters per capita. If the biggest polluters have to act, then this includes Australia.

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