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Re: Record Temperatures in the Pipeline.
Reply #180 - May 24^th, 2012 at 6:27pm

muso wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 4:36pm:

I'll ask again. What has past historical data got to do with basic atmospheric physics?

I can't believe I actually have to explain this to you. However ...

He asked me why I was sceptical of the AGW hypothesis.

I told him: tree rings; ice cores; and multi-proxy reconstructions.

In order to establish exactly how much temperatures may or may not be rising, one needs to compare historical data with current data. You with me so far?

The historical data is obtained from ... wait for it ... tree rings, ice cores and multi-proxy reconstructions.

Many people, including myself, do not think that tree rings, ice cores and multi-proxy reconstructions are an accurate or reliable measure of past temperatures. Therefore, we can't accurately or reliably say exactly how much temperatures have actually changed.

So, the hypothesis starts out on very shaky ground even when it comes to the "W". And then there's the "A" ... (not to mention, the "G").

Thus, I remain sceptical of the AGW hypothesis.

If decent evidence is presented in the future, my views may change. Who knows - I may eventually support the hypothesis. I'm keeping an open mind on the subject. Others in this forum, not so much. Roll Eyes

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Re: Record Temperatures in the Pipeline.
Reply #181 - May 25^th, 2012 at 9:26am

Uncle Meat has man inconsistancies to his story.

For a start, he says he believes in climate change. That the worlds climate changes over the millions of years its been roughly inhabitable.

But then he goes on to say that scientists are unable to get a feel for past climates because he doesnt like 3 of the many ways they determine it.

So the question has to be asked, if scientists cant prove the earths climate has been any different to now, how does he know "for sure" that the earths climate has been any different from now. How does he know natural climate change has ever happened?

The next inconsistancy is his denial of the A in AGW. The A is man-made. He claims man made climate change cannot be possible because of his denial of the science of looking through historical temperatures before the industrialisation of man. See the problem here? He refutes mans involvement by trying to discredit an event way before mans involvement. If he wants to address the A in AGW he has to deny the actions of the last 100 years. He cant.

He's a denier, trying to pretent to be objective, when even the simply analysis of a web forum exposes him.

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Re: Record Temperatures in the Pipeline.
Reply #182 - May 25^th, 2012 at 3:40pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

But then he goes on to say that scientists are unable to get a feel for past climates because he doesnt like 3 of the many ways they determine it.

au contraire

" ... do not think that tree rings, ice cores and multi-proxy reconstructions are an accurate or reliable measure of past temperatures.
Therefore, we can't accurately or reliably say exactly how much temperatures have actually changed."

Notice the word "exactly", in italics? Wink

Have a little think about why I used that particular word and why I typed it in italics. I'm confident that even you will be able to figure it out. You nong Roll Eyes

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Reply #183 - May 25^th, 2012 at 3:42pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:40pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

But then he goes on to say that scientists are unable to get a feel for past climates because he doesnt like 3 of the many ways they determine it.

au contraire

" ... do not think that tree rings, ice cores and multi-proxy reconstructions are an accurate or reliable measure of past temperatures.
Therefore, we can't accurately or reliably say exactly how much temperatures have actually changed."

Notice the word "exactly", in italics? Wink

Have a little think about why I used that particular word and why I typed it in italics. I'm confident that even you will be able to figure it out. You nong Roll Eyes

Dont try and change the subject. (Denier 101 tactics) Answer the two primary questions I asked you.

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Re: Record Temperatures in the Pipeline.
Reply #184 - May 25^th, 2012 at 3:43pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:40pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

But then he goes on to say that scientists are unable to get a feel for past climates because he doesnt like 3 of the many ways they determine it.

au contraire

" ... do not think that tree rings, ice cores and multi-proxy reconstructions are an accurate or reliable measure of past temperatures.
Therefore, we can't accurately or reliably say exactly how much temperatures have actually changed."

Notice the word "exactly", in italics? Wink

Have a little think about why I used that particular word and why I typed it in italics. I'm confident that even you will be able to figure it out. You nong Roll Eyes

Dont try and change the subject. (Denier 101 tactics) Answer the two primary questions I asked you.

LOL

White flag accepted.

On your way.

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Record Temperatures in the Pipeline. Reply #185 - May 25^th, 2012 at 3:45pm Uncle Meat wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:43pm: On your way. Once again, you have made an epic fail of yourself. Too many inconsistencies to be taken seriously anymore.
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Re: Record Temperatures in the Pipeline.
Reply #186 - May 25^th, 2012 at 3:49pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:43pm:

On your way.

Once again, you have made an epic fail of yourself. Too many inconsistencies to be taken seriously anymore.

Grin

The kid who thinks AGW has been "well proven" won't take me seriously anymore. Grin

Oh my aching sides.

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Reply #187 - May 25^th, 2012 at 4:04pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:49pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:43pm:

On your way.

Once again, you have made an epic fail of yourself. Too many inconsistencies to be taken seriously anymore.

Grin

The kid who thinks AGW has been "well proven" won't take me seriously anymore. Grin

Oh my aching sides.

If you want to redeem any semblance of dignity, just answer these:

Uncle Meat has man inconsistancies to his story.

For a start, he says he believes in climate change. That the worlds climate changes over the millions of years its been roughly inhabitable.

But then he goes on to say that scientists are unable to get a feel for past climates because he doesnt like 3 of the many ways they determine it.

So the question has to be asked, if scientists cant prove the earths climate has been any different to now, how does he know "for sure" that the earths climate has been any different from now. How does he know natural climate change has ever happened?

The next inconsistancy is his denial of the A in AGW. The A is man-made. He claims man made climate change cannot be possible because of his denial of the science of looking through historical temperatures before the industrialisation of man. See the problem here? He refutes mans involvement by trying to discredit an event way before mans involvement. If he wants to address the A in AGW he has to deny the actions of the last 100 years. He cant.

He's a denier, trying to pretent to be objective, when even the simply analysis of a web forum exposes him.

You know it will haunt you until you do.

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Uncle Meat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2434 Tasmania Gender:	Re: Record Temperatures in the Pipeline. Reply #188 - May 28^th, 2012 at 12:48am The kid who thinks AGW has been "well proven" won't take me seriously anymore. Oh my aching sides.
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Re: Record Temperatures in the Pipeline.
Reply #189 - May 28^th, 2012 at 12:57am

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

But then he goes on to say that scientists are unable to get a feel for past climates because he doesnt like 3 of the many ways they determine it.

You are seriously retarded young boy.

I've addressed this before, and still you can't see where you went wrong.

You stupid little retard. Roll Eyes

"au contraire

" ... do not think that tree rings, ice cores and multi-proxy reconstructions are an accurate or reliable measure of past temperatures.

"Therefore, we can't accurately or reliably say exactly how much temperatures have actually changed."

Notice the word "exactly", in italics?

Have a little think about why I used that particular word and why I typed it in italics. I'm confident that even you will be able to figure it out. You nong "

Read it and weep, you demented retard.

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Re: Record Temperatures in the Pipeline.
Reply #190 - May 28^th, 2012 at 3:12am

The chances of an El Niño in the later part of this year are looking increasingly likely. Australia’s Bureau of Meteorology tracks seven climate models from compatriot meteorology centers around the world, of which five indicate above El Niño conditions, while the remaining two sit on the neutral – neither El Niño or La Niña.

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“Nobody is going to say that the models are 100 percent accurate, but if you look at the climate models, the risk of El Niño has gone up in recent weeks,” Andrew Watkins, manager of climate prediction at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology told Reuters.

The World Meteorological Organization maintains its neutral outlook for the second half of the year, but the chief of India’s state-run weather office said El Niño conditions were likely to emerge over the Pacific Ocean by mid-August.

We have had ten El Niño events over the past century, four of the most extreme events have been since 1980. When the record high temperatures come, denialists will point to the natural El Niño event, forgetting they claimed the cooling of the La Nina events as the end of the warming trend.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Record Temperatures in the Pipeline. Reply #191 - May 28^th, 2012 at 3:25am If we take out the short-term La Nina and El Nino effects this is what the trend looks like.
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