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Reply #15 - May 13^th, 2012 at 7:51am

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:33am:

____ wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:28am:

Children where one parent has dies
Children born of surrogate mothers
Children where one parent is not allowed to see the child (i.e imprisonment)

Should these children be left at risk of mental illness, or should they be taken away and put into a oppose sex couple marriage home?

Greeny will you get of your agenda of selfishness, Think of the Children.
Single Parents do seek partners allowing children to have both male and female influences in the child's life.

Gay people don't have same sex families ... they have members of both sexes as siblings, parents, grandparents, and so on.

You don't have to be rooting someone to have them influence the children.

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Reply #16 - May 13^th, 2012 at 7:56am

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:45am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:43am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:33am:

____ wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:28am:

Children where one parent has dies
Children born of surrogate mothers
Children where one parent is not allowed to see the child (i.e imprisonment)

Should these children be left at risk of mental illness, or should they be taken away and put into a oppose sex couple marriage home?

Greeny will you get of your agenda of selfishness, Think of the Children.
Single Parents do seek partners allowing children to have both male and female influences in the child's life.

SOME singles may seek partners. Most dont have time cause they are too busy looking after kids and working to pay for kids.

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Bulldust, i have not met a single parent yet who doesnt seek a new partner.

Hahahha. So because no-one you know doesnt then everyone doesnt? My mother didnt. My sister doesnt. In fact no-one i know does! So its personal experience vs personal experience. Guess I win though because I didnt generalise.

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Reply #17 - May 13^th, 2012 at 8:00am

muso wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:50am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:27am:

Ohh the religous ppl are so scared of gays. Scared they will somehow "catch" it i suppose. Want to control other ppls lives.

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Not just religious people, and "scared" is the wrong term.

I'm anything but "scared". Bemused perhaps, suspicious perhaps and probably prejudiced too to be frank, but not scared. I don't have a problem with any two people living together regardless of gender. The issue of "marriage" is irrelevant in Australia where de facto's outnumber married couples, and de facto relationships have the same legal privileges. (and same sex defacto relationships are already possible).

My only area of objection relates to gay adoption, where a gay union is regarded as just as good as a heterosexual union. It clearly is not (all other things being equal)

No not just the religious ppl. I was talking about the religious ppl though.

I actually know a gay couple who raised several kids. Their husbands died or something and they got together even though both of them already had kids. The kids are grown up and hetero and fine although a lot more tolerant then most.

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Reply #18 - May 15^th, 2012 at 1:46pm

So who are the Doctors for the Family?

Doctors for the Family was established in November 2011.

Its convenor is Dr Lachlan Dunjey.

Dr Dunjey is a Perth GP and a right-to-life campaigner who has run as a Senate candidate for the Christian Democratic Party in multiple elections.

He was president of Baptist Churches of WA in 1989/90.

Dr Dunjey set up Medicine With Morality in 2006 to lobby politicians on issues including cloning and euthanasia.

Doctors for the Family says it aims to "highlight the health aspects of marriage and family and ensure a healthy future for our children".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-13/doctors-for-the-family-heterosexual-marria...

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Reply #19 - May 15^th, 2012 at 1:49pm

I have always been more the middle road on this subject.

Between the Religious Right who want all gay unions banned and the more Extremist gay lobby who scream for them to have all and sundry.

My view is that gay people should have their relationship recognized in a union.
For them to enjoy the same rights as a long term de-facto couple.
For them to be able to register their relationship or union if they so wish.

But for 'marriage' to remain as a union between a man and a woman.

I think that's a pretty non-confrontational, acceptable view.

It is the gay lobby who scream and yell for everything that are not coming to the party on this one.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Gay unions a 'risk to kids' Reply #21 - May 15^th, 2012 at 1:51pm I personally though am not comfortable with a gay couple having children. I think it is morally wrong and is not good for the child. It's unfair to bring them into that world. If people want to be gay, then fine. I am perfectly ok for them to be - but leave children out of it and to make up their own minds.
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Reply #22 - May 15^th, 2012 at 1:51pm

buzzanddidj wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

So who are the Doctors for the Family?

Doctors for the Family was established in November 2011.

Its convenor is Dr Lachlan Dunjey.

Dr Dunjey is a Perth GP and a right-to-life campaigner who has run as a Senate candidate for the Christian Democratic Party in multiple elections.

He was president of Baptist Churches of WA in 1989/90.

Dr Dunjey set up Medicine With Morality in 2006 to lobby politicians on issues including cloning and euthanasia.

Doctors for the Family says it aims to "highlight the health aspects of marriage and family and ensure a healthy future for our children".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-13/doctors-for-the-family-heterosexual-marria...

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Reply #23 - May 15^th, 2012 at 1:54pm

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:45am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:43am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:33am:

____ wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:28am:

Children where one parent has dies
Children born of surrogate mothers
Children where one parent is not allowed to see the child (i.e imprisonment)

Should these children be left at risk of mental illness, or should they be taken away and put into a oppose sex couple marriage home?

Greeny will you get of your agenda of selfishness, Think of the Children.
Single Parents do seek partners allowing children to have both male and female influences in the child's life.

SOME singles may seek partners. Most dont have time cause they are too busy looking after kids and working to pay for kids.

SOB

Bulldust, i have not met a single parent yet who doesnt seek a new partner.

Well, they're certainly out there.

I know of many single parents who aren't seeking a new partner.

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Reply #24 - May 15^th, 2012 at 1:58pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 1:54pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:45am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:43am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:33am:

____ wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:28am:

Children where one parent has dies
Children born of surrogate mothers
Children where one parent is not allowed to see the child (i.e imprisonment)

Should these children be left at risk of mental illness, or should they be taken away and put into a oppose sex couple marriage home?

Greeny will you get of your agenda of selfishness, Think of the Children.
Single Parents do seek partners allowing children to have both male and female influences in the child's life.

SOME singles may seek partners. Most dont have time cause they are too busy looking after kids and working to pay for kids.

SOB

Bulldust, i have not met a single parent yet who doesnt seek a new partner.

Well, they're certainly out there.

I know of many single parents who aren't seeking a new partner.

Bollocks.
I know plenty of single guys and girls who would say "I am not looking".

Crock of sh*t man, they would take another partner if offered.

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Reply #25 - May 15^th, 2012 at 1:59pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

muso wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:50am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:27am:

Ohh the religous ppl are so scared of gays. Scared they will somehow "catch" it i suppose. Want to control other ppls lives.

SOB

Not just religious people, and "scared" is the wrong term.

I'm anything but "scared". Bemused perhaps, suspicious perhaps and probably prejudiced too to be frank, but not scared. I don't have a problem with any two people living together regardless of gender. The issue of "marriage" is irrelevant in Australia where de facto's outnumber married couples, and de facto relationships have the same legal privileges. (and same sex defacto relationships are already possible).

My only area of objection relates to gay adoption, where a gay union is regarded as just as good as a heterosexual union. It clearly is not (all other things being equal)

No not just the religious ppl. I was talking about the religious ppl though.

I actually know a gay couple who raised several kids. Their husbands died or something and they got together even though both of them already had kids. The kids are grown up and hetero and fine although a lot more tolerant then most.

SOB

I wouldn't have a problem with that. My issue is with two gay men who adopt a "trophy" child who is unrelated to either. That's where I'd have concerns. I can't explain why. It just seems wrong to me.

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Reply #26 - May 15^th, 2012 at 2:00pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 1:58pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 1:54pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:45am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:43am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:33am:

____ wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:28am:

Children where one parent has dies
Children born of surrogate mothers
Children where one parent is not allowed to see the child (i.e imprisonment)

Should these children be left at risk of mental illness, or should they be taken away and put into a oppose sex couple marriage home?

Greeny will you get of your agenda of selfishness, Think of the Children.
Single Parents do seek partners allowing children to have both male and female influences in the child's life.

SOME singles may seek partners. Most dont have time cause they are too busy looking after kids and working to pay for kids.

SOB

Bulldust, i have not met a single parent yet who doesnt seek a new partner.

Well, they're certainly out there.

I know of many single parents who aren't seeking a new partner.

Bollocks.

No, it's a fact actually.

I know several single parents who have remained single for many years.

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Reply #27 - May 15^th, 2012 at 2:04pm

muso wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 1:59pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

muso wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:50am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:27am:

Ohh the religous ppl are so scared of gays. Scared they will somehow "catch" it i suppose. Want to control other ppls lives.

SOB

Not just religious people, and "scared" is the wrong term.

I'm anything but "scared". Bemused perhaps, suspicious perhaps and probably prejudiced too to be frank, but not scared. I don't have a problem with any two people living together regardless of gender. The issue of "marriage" is irrelevant in Australia where de facto's outnumber married couples, and de facto relationships have the same legal privileges. (and same sex defacto relationships are already possible).

My only area of objection relates to gay adoption, where a gay union is regarded as just as good as a heterosexual union. It clearly is not (all other things being equal)

No not just the religious ppl. I was talking about the religious ppl though.

I actually know a gay couple who raised several kids. Their husbands died or something and they got together even though both of them already had kids. The kids are grown up and hetero and fine although a lot more tolerant then most.

SOB

I wouldn't have a problem with that. My issue is with two gay men who adopt a "trophy" child who is unrelated to either. That's where I'd have concerns. I can't explain why. It just seems wrong to me.

"Here's one of my parents, Dad and Dad...."

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Reply #28 - May 15^th, 2012 at 2:09pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 1:58pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 1:54pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:45am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:43am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:33am:

____ wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:28am:

Children where one parent has dies
Children born of surrogate mothers
Children where one parent is not allowed to see the child (i.e imprisonment)

Should these children be left at risk of mental illness, or should they be taken away and put into a oppose sex couple marriage home?

Greeny will you get of your agenda of selfishness, Think of the Children.
Single Parents do seek partners allowing children to have both male and female influences in the child's life.

SOME singles may seek partners. Most dont have time cause they are too busy looking after kids and working to pay for kids.

SOB

Bulldust, i have not met a single parent yet who doesnt seek a new partner.

Well, they're certainly out there.

I know of many single parents who aren't seeking a new partner.

Bollocks.

No, it's a fact actually.

I know several single parents who have remained single for many years.

But remaining single and choosing to remain single are 2 very different things.

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Reply #29 - May 15^th, 2012 at 2:14pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 2:04pm:

"Here's one of my parents, Dad and Dad...."

It's almost inevitable that any parents will be embarassing to a teenager in front of his/her friends. Some more than others Grin

It goes further than the embarassment factor though. "Elton John" and his partner and "parents" in the same sentence just cries out as being wrong.

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