MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:



If we have 6,000 illegal boat people in a year that is 6,000 less GENUINE refugees we take.

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:



So far, you've provided no evidence.

I've provided quite a bit.

Let's not change topics (nice try with the carbon tax) and instead, let's see some evidence from you.

We're all waiting ...

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:31pm:


That is not correct. The number of off shore refugees we accept is determined independently of the onshore program. It's a simple point that is probably hard for you to accept because you are so frequently told they are queue jumpers. Well, they are not.

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:31pm:


That is not correct. The number of off shore refugees we accept is determined independently of the onshore program. It's a simple point that is probably hard for you to accept because you are so frequently told they are queue jumpers. Well, they are not.

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:49pm:


Wow. $10,000 now? Seems to have gone up because you were saying $5,000 last year. You righties seem to have a good handle on how much it costs, how it's all done, what the process is, where to go to get a good smuggler.

Where do you get your information from? Show me the source. Details. You made a claim, I'd like to see something to back that up thanks.

...oh, and feel free to show me a waiting list if you like. It's obvious AP can't back up his load of bollocks.

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:53pm:



I would retract that unless you  want to be known as a fool.

red baron wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 6:21pm:


Baron, do you understand how our immigration system works. This comes directly from the Immigration Department.

“The Humanitarian Program comprises an offshore component for the resettlement of people overseas, and an onshore component for those people already in Australia who seek Australia’s protection.”

So there are actually two separate components to the humanitarian program within our immigration system. People arriving by boat have no impact on the “queue”.

Further, according to our Immigration Department, "the size and composition of the resettlement program are influenced by a number of factors, including an estimate of the number of people likely to be found in need of protection in Australia in accordance with international obligations under the Refugees Convention “

In practice this means the number of offshore refugees we accept into Australia each year is independent of the number of onshore asylum seekers. Keeping in mind most of these onshore asylum seekers arrived by plane, not by boat.

Baron, it is a gross misrepresentation of the truth to suggest that boat people are pushing offshore refugees further down the "queue". It is a misrepresentation aimed squarely at vilifying boat people to put them offside with mainstream Australians who typically possess an acute sense of the fair go. It is disappointing that this untruth continues to be cultivated by prominent members of the coalition and their mouthpieces in the media.