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Reply #15 - May 12th, 2012 at 2:58pm
 
adelcrow wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 2:32pm:
180,000 migrants a year and 17,000 boat people in 5 years...big friggin whoop


The 17,000 boat people are costing us a billion dollars per year.

83.5% of them are still on welfare up to 5 years after arriving,we cant do longer term studies because therte were only 4 boat people in detention when labor created this billion dollar per year debacle.

These migrants if they are not citizens they pay a higher tax rate compared to Australians.

Typical of the leftards to say big whoop over a billion dollar per year debacle they created.
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Reply #16 - May 12th, 2012 at 3:07pm
 
____ wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 2:26pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 2:15pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 1:31pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 1:29pm:
A sixth people smuggling boat has been intercepted this week by the Navy carrying 84 people. At this rate, Gillard will be kicking ordinary Aussies out of their own homes to accomodate these country-shopping illegal immigrants! Both Gillard and Bowen must hang their heads in shame over their complete failure to secure our borders. One must wonder when will Labor wake up and realise that:

(a) The Labor Party created this mess
(b) There is
no one
to blame for this mess other than themselves
(c) The only option available to them is to resurrect the Pacific Solution in order to smash the business model of people smugglers

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/navy-intercepts-sixth-boat-in-a-week/story...


But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

SOB


There were 4 boat people in detention when labor dismantled the policy that stopped the boats.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7401/boats.gif

The detention centre statistics prove it worked yet the ignorant leftists ignore these facts as there were less than 500 people in detention from January 06 to January 09 compared to the 6000+ we have today.

http://www.immi.gov.au/managing-australias-borders/detention/_pdf/immigration-de...

Labor created this billion dollar a year debacle and they cannot fix it because the Greens want an open border policy which is exactly what we have.






Push Factors create Boat Refugees


Push Factors Like The Coalition's Illegal Invasion and the Defeated USA Foreign Policy In Afghanistan.


About time hard righters took responsibility for the consequences of their actions.


Push factors is bullshit pull factor from the leftists ,click on the detention statistics

Iran- who are they at war with?
Indonesia- who are they at war with, we give them foreign aid
Pakistan - who are they at war with
Sri Lanka- who are they at war with
China- who are they at war with
Vietnam- who are they at war with
Burma- who are they at war with
Malaysia - who are they at war with
What are the push factors for these people you pullcock?

About time the leftists took responsibility for their billion dollar a year debacle.

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Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Reply #17 - May 12th, 2012 at 3:39pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
____ wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 2:26pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 2:15pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 1:31pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 1:29pm:
A sixth people smuggling boat has been intercepted this week by the Navy carrying 84 people. At this rate, Gillard will be kicking ordinary Aussies out of their own homes to accomodate these country-shopping illegal immigrants! Both Gillard and Bowen must hang their heads in shame over their complete failure to secure our borders. One must wonder when will Labor wake up and realise that:

(a) The Labor Party created this mess
(b) There is
no one
to blame for this mess other than themselves
(c) The only option available to them is to resurrect the Pacific Solution in order to smash the business model of people smugglers

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/navy-intercepts-sixth-boat-in-a-week/story...


But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

SOB


There were 4 boat people in detention when labor dismantled the policy that stopped the boats.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7401/boats.gif

The detention centre statistics prove it worked yet the ignorant leftists ignore these facts as there were less than 500 people in detention from January 06 to January 09 compared to the 6000+ we have today.

http://www.immi.gov.au/managing-australias-borders/detention/_pdf/immigration-de...

Labor created this billion dollar a year debacle and they cannot fix it because the Greens want an open border policy which is exactly what we have.






Push Factors create Boat Refugees


Push Factors Like The Coalition's Illegal Invasion and the Defeated USA Foreign Policy In Afghanistan.


About time hard righters took responsibility for the consequences of their actions.


Push factors is bullshit pull factor from the leftists ,click on the detention statistics

Iran- who are they at war with?
Indonesia- who are they at war with, we give them foreign aid
Pakistan - who are they at war with
Sri Lanka- who are they at war with
China- who are they at war with
Vietnam- who are they at war with
Burma- who are they at war with
Malaysia - who are they at war with
What are the push factors for these people you pullcock?

About time the leftists took responsibility for their billion dollar a year debacle.



Interesting numbers. Iran, China, Burma, are all governments that we recognise as oppressive, being from these countries carries an understanding of refugee. Sri Lanka are just recovering from a very long and vicious civil war, Afghanistan are at war as for all intensive purposes is Pakistan. As for the rest it is a good question but the numbers are very small and the report does not identify by which method each demographic arrived. Many of the Indo and Malay men were probably crew on boats.

Not sure of the exact number of over stayers but it is up around the 16 000 mark annually. Some of these are also in detention. You also miss that the numbers are small and though with the current state of affairs where Abbott has betrayed the country and his core beliefs to make a political point may be making the trip a bit more attractive this is not the main cause and the usual ignorance and fear is the driver of such opinion. OH and the bitterness of the loops on the right.

" The number of unauthorised boat arrivals to Australia follows global trends.? In 2001 and 2002, for example, Australia experienced a peak in the number of boat arrivals (more than 5,500 in 2001 and almost 3000 in 2002) as did most of the rest of the world.? Then from 2003, global asylum numbers dropped as the level of global conflict dropped.? But over the last two years, global asylum seeker numbers have increased again.? When comparing 2008 figures with 2007, for example, asylum seeker numbers rose by 122% in Italy, 121% in Norway, 89% in the Netherlands, 70% in Turkey, 53% in Switzerland, 30% in Canada and 20% in France, according to a 2009 UNHCR report.? Yet in the same period, Australia saw only a 19% increase"

http://www.ajustaustralia.com/informationandresources_factsandstatistics.php
http://www.asrc.org.au/media/documents/myths-facts-solutions-summary-sheet.pdf
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Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Reply #18 - May 12th, 2012 at 3:44pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 1:29pm:
At this rate, Gillard will be kicking ordinary Aussies out of their own homes to accomodate these country-shopping illegal immigrants. 



Boat people seeking asylum are not illegal immigrants.

If you want to start threads like this, that's fine.  Howevever, stick to the facts.

Boat people seeking asylum are not illegal immigrants.

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Reply #19 - May 12th, 2012 at 3:52pm
 
Uncle Meat wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 3:44pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 1:29pm:
At this rate, Gillard will be kicking ordinary Aussies out of their own homes to accomodate these country-shopping illegal immigrants. 



Boat people seeking asylum are not illegal immigrants.

If you want to start threads like this, that's fine.  Howevever, stick to the facts.

Boat people seeking asylum are not illegal immigrants.


They are if the Native born people are occupied, have lost control of there own borders and are under invasion...thats a game changer.  Invasion was wrong 200 years ago and its still wrong.  Stop the invasion of Aboriginal lands. Cool
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Reply #20 - May 12th, 2012 at 3:58pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 2:58pm:
Typical of the leftards to say big whoop over a billion dollar per year debacle they created.



Boat people, i.e. legal asylum seekers, form part of Australia's humanitarian immigration program.

I certainly don't see humanitarianism as a "debacle".

Anyone who does, has some serious issues.
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Reply #21 - May 12th, 2012 at 4:22pm
 
Uncle Meat wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 3:58pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 2:58pm:
Typical of the leftards to say big whoop over a billion dollar per year debacle they created.



Boat people, i.e. legal asylum seekers, form part of Australia's humanitarian immigration program.

I certainly don't see humanitarianism as a "debacle".

Anyone who does, has some serious issues.


I think you're seriously overestimating them, Uncle Meat. I think if you even know the word humanitarianism you're considered one of those noxious bleeding hearts.
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Reply #22 - May 12th, 2012 at 4:32pm
 
MOTR wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 4:22pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 3:58pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 2:58pm:
Typical of the leftards to say big whoop over a billion dollar per year debacle they created.



Boat people, i.e. legal asylum seekers, form part of Australia's humanitarian immigration program.

I certainly don't see humanitarianism as a "debacle".

Anyone who does, has some serious issues.


I think you're seriously overestimating them, Uncle Meat. I think if you even know the word humanitarianism you're considered one of those noxious bleeding hearts.

No doubt you profit handsomely from invasion and it suits you to cloke evil in flowery platitudes. Cool
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Reply #23 - May 12th, 2012 at 4:47pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
____ wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 2:26pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 2:15pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 1:31pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 1:29pm:
A sixth people smuggling boat has been intercepted this week by the Navy carrying 84 people. At this rate, Gillard will be kicking ordinary Aussies out of their own homes to accomodate these country-shopping illegal immigrants! Both Gillard and Bowen must hang their heads in shame over their complete failure to secure our borders. One must wonder when will Labor wake up and realise that:

(a) The Labor Party created this mess
(b) There is
no one
to blame for this mess other than themselves
(c) The only option available to them is to resurrect the Pacific Solution in order to smash the business model of people smugglers

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/navy-intercepts-sixth-boat-in-a-week/story...


But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

SOB


There were 4 boat people in detention when labor dismantled the policy that stopped the boats.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7401/boats.gif

The detention centre statistics prove it worked yet the ignorant leftists ignore these facts as there were less than 500 people in detention from January 06 to January 09 compared to the 6000+ we have today.

http://www.immi.gov.au/managing-australias-borders/detention/_pdf/immigration-de...

Labor created this billion dollar a year debacle and they cannot fix it because the Greens want an open border policy which is exactly what we have.






Push Factors create Boat Refugees


Push Factors Like The Coalition's Illegal Invasion and the Defeated USA Foreign Policy In Afghanistan.


About time hard righters took responsibility for the consequences of their actions.


Push factors is bullshit pull factor from the leftists ,click on the detention statistics

Iran- who are they at war with?
Indonesia- who are they at war with, we give them foreign aid
Pakistan - who are they at war with
Sri Lanka- who are they at war with
China- who are they at war with
Vietnam- who are they at war with
Burma- who are they at war with
Malaysia - who are they at war with
What are the push factors for these people you pullcock?

About time the leftists took responsibility for their billion dollar a year debacle.





Now the people from two countries you left of your list

Iraq
Afghanistan


The coalition caused these push factors and so must take responsibility for the consequences of their action. 
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Reply #24 - May 12th, 2012 at 5:18pm
 
I said all along since the daft MALAYSIAN DEAL went belly up..

they boats will come thick and fast with double and more than they carried before..she has opened a hornets nest...


TOLD YA SO... TOLD YA SO
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Reply #25 - May 12th, 2012 at 5:22pm
 
cods wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 5:18pm:
I said all along since the daft MALAYSIAN DEAL went belly up..

they boats will come thick and fast with double and more than they carried before..she has opened a hornets nest...


TOLD YA SO... TOLD YA SO


Looks like Tony isn't the only happy camper.
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Reply #26 - May 12th, 2012 at 5:22pm
 
MOTR wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 1:47pm:


For you Gillard-followers, that is pronounced "hyper-bow-lay", not as Gillard has said it - "hyper-bowl".  Cheesy
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Reply #27 - May 12th, 2012 at 5:23pm
 
____ wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 2:26pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 2:15pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 1:31pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 1:29pm:
A sixth people smuggling boat has been intercepted this week by the Navy carrying 84 people. At this rate, Gillard will be kicking ordinary Aussies out of their own homes to accomodate these country-shopping illegal immigrants! Both Gillard and Bowen must hang their heads in shame over their complete failure to secure our borders. One must wonder when will Labor wake up and realise that:

(a) The Labor Party created this mess
(b) There is
no one
to blame for this mess other than themselves
(c) The only option available to them is to resurrect the Pacific Solution in order to smash the business model of people smugglers

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/navy-intercepts-sixth-boat-in-a-week/story...


But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

SOB


There were 4 boat people in detention when labor dismantled the policy that stopped the boats.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7401/boats.gif

The detention centre statistics prove it worked yet the ignorant leftists ignore these facts as there were less than 500 people in detention from January 06 to January 09 compared to the 6000+ we have today.

http://www.immi.gov.au/managing-australias-borders/detention/_pdf/immigration-de...

Labor created this billion dollar a year debacle and they cannot fix it because the Greens want an open border policy which is exactly what we have.






Push Factors create Boat Refugees


Push Factors Like The Coalition's Illegal Invasion and the Defeated USA Foreign Policy In Afghanistan.


About time hard righters took responsibility for the consequences of their actions.


Doesn't matter what push factors exist. If you don't have competent policy, you can't secure the border, as we have seen with Labor's failed, illegal, incompetent policies.
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Reply #28 - May 12th, 2012 at 5:33pm
 
____ wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 4:47pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
____ wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 2:26pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 2:15pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 1:31pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 1:29pm:
A sixth people smuggling boat has been intercepted this week by the Navy carrying 84 people. At this rate, Gillard will be kicking ordinary Aussies out of their own homes to accomodate these country-shopping illegal immigrants! Both Gillard and Bowen must hang their heads in shame over their complete failure to secure our borders. One must wonder when will Labor wake up and realise that:

(a) The Labor Party created this mess
(b) There is
no one
to blame for this mess other than themselves
(c) The only option available to them is to resurrect the Pacific Solution in order to smash the business model of people smugglers

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/navy-intercepts-sixth-boat-in-a-week/story...


But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

SOB


There were 4 boat people in detention when labor dismantled the policy that stopped the boats.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7401/boats.gif

The detention centre statistics prove it worked yet the ignorant leftists ignore these facts as there were less than 500 people in detention from January 06 to January 09 compared to the 6000+ we have today.

http://www.immi.gov.au/managing-australias-borders/detention/_pdf/immigration-de...

Labor created this billion dollar a year debacle and they cannot fix it because the Greens want an open border policy which is exactly what we have.






Push Factors create Boat Refugees


Push Factors Like The Coalition's Illegal Invasion and the Defeated USA Foreign Policy In Afghanistan.


About time hard righters took responsibility for the consequences of their actions.


Push factors is bullshit pull factor from the leftists ,click on the detention statistics

Iran- who are they at war with?
Indonesia- who are they at war with, we give them foreign aid
Pakistan - who are they at war with
Sri Lanka- who are they at war with
China- who are they at war with
Vietnam- who are they at war with
Burma- who are they at war with
Malaysia - who are they at war with
What are the push factors for these people you pullcock?

About time the leftists took responsibility for their billion dollar a year debacle.





Now the people from two countries you left of your list

Iraq
Afghanistan


The coalition caused these push factors and so must take responsibility for the consequences of their action. 

Hang on I never caused those push factors, nor did the Aboriginals.  You Greens caused those push factors with your meddling and interventionism - dont take my country off me for something you did. Cool
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Reply #29 - May 12th, 2012 at 5:44pm
 
Labor really is quite unbelievable on this issue...


Immigration Minister Chris Bowen said this was a consequence of the coalition's refusal to act in the national interest and work with the government to implement offshore processing.

"Late last year, the government approached the opposition in good faith to sit down and discuss what we could do to prevent people from risking their lives at sea," Mr Bowen said.



Labor certainly did not negotiate in "good faith". Gillard did agree offshore processing was required, however the caveat was that the policy would be Malaysia or nothing. That is not a negotiation - it's an ultimatum and a poor one at that because it's the job of Gillard and Bowen to put forward competent policies, not Abbott. The deal with Malaysia was subsequently ruled illegal and even before that ruling by the full bench of the High Court, Abbott refused to support it - with good reason.
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