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Reply #15 - May 7^th, 2012 at 5:01pm

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9/11 was indeed a revenge attack. Karma and all that. What comes around goes around. Treat people how you would like to be treated, that too.

That's why I don't have to worry about terrorists, I treat people with respect and I get it back.

yES, WHILE THIS IS ALL BY-AND-LARGE TRUE IT'S STILL STRUCTURAL CHANGE AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO BOTHER WITH POLITICS THEN.....

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Reply #16 - May 7^th, 2012 at 7:10pm

Dnarever wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

The Carbon Tax Will Be Here To Stay.

The plan is for only 2 or 3 years of fixed price before going to a carbon trading scheme, In my view the fixed price is a much better system.

Nobody will ever pay a cent in tax during this process and no money ever goes to the Australian Tax office, I find it difficult to justify the term carbon tax.

It is dishonest to call it that.

because THAT is the only dishonesty you see?

this is why people laugh at labor and their die-hard supporters.

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Reply #18 - May 7^th, 2012 at 7:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:11pm:

a new election and a possible DD election is all that is needed to remove the carbon tax. and with a massive mandate by teh voters that's EXACTYL what will happen.

you really are stupid sometimes .... even if that was to happen, and I don't agree that it will happen at all, he simply can't afford it .. with all the promises he has been making, he just cannot afford to remove the carbon tax ... the libs will get rid of Abbott before they get rid of the carbon tax

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Reply #19 - May 7^th, 2012 at 7:16pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

The Carbon Tax Will Be Here To Stay.

The plan is for only 2 or 3 years of fixed price before going to a carbon trading scheme, In my view the fixed price is a much better system.

Nobody will ever pay a cent in tax during this process and no money ever goes to the Australian Tax office, I find it difficult to justify the term carbon tax.

It is dishonest to call it that.

because THAT is the only dishonesty you see?

this is why people laugh at labor and their die-hard supporters.

Well then how about you just trot off to the Tax office and see if you can give them some carbon tax.

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Reply #20 - May 7^th, 2012 at 7:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:11pm:

a new election and a possible DD election is all that is needed to remove the carbon tax. and with a massive mandate by teh voters that's EXACTYL what will happen.

An election in 15 months or so and a very unlikely DD in 2015 which would be likely to see the conservatives lose seats.

Then they would still have to pay for removing the system, not take the income generated while still spending billions on the committed outgoing cost side of the equation in tax relief etc which they are committed to keeping all unfunded.

They very likely can not get it through Parliament.

They can not have a DD.

When they can have a DD the risk is too great for them.

If they get a result from a DD in 2015 which is unlikely as by this time the Carbon price may not be very unpopular and the liberals probably on the nose with voters they then have to find massive funding, locking in many years of deficit or sugnificant pain to the electorate - maybe both.

They are not that stupid – well I hope not anyway.

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Reply #21 - May 7^th, 2012 at 7:51pm

Dnarever wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

The Carbon Tax Will Be Here To Stay.

The plan is for only 2 or 3 years of fixed price before going to a carbon trading scheme, In my view the fixed price is a much better system.

Nobody will ever pay a cent in tax during this process and no money ever goes to the Australian Tax office, I find it difficult to justify the term carbon tax.

It is dishonest to call it that.

because THAT is the only dishonesty you see?

this is why people laugh at labor and their die-hard supporters.

Well then how about you just trot off to the Tax office and see if you can give them some carbon tax.

well there are several hundred companies which wil be doing exactly that. And in return they will be billing US for the cost. But honestly, arguing about a semantic issue like this is typical of the blind obedience to your leader that ignores the reality that she lied broek a promise and implemented a policy everyone hates and she promised to oppose.

She is a liar. and it IS a carbon tax.

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Reply #22 - May 7^th, 2012 at 7:53pm

Dnarever wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:11pm:

a new election and a possible DD election is all that is needed to remove the carbon tax. and with a massive mandate by teh voters that's EXACTYL what will happen.

An election in 15 months or so and a very unlikely DD in 2015 which would be likely to see the conservatives lose seats.

Then they would still have to pay for removing the system, not take the income generated while still spending billions on the committed outgoing cost side of the equation in tax relief etc which they are committed to keeping all unfunded.

They very likely can not get it through Parliament.

They can not have a DD.

When they can have a DD the risk is too great for them.

If they get a result from a DD in 2015 which is unlikely as by this time the Carbon price may not be very unpopular and the liberals probably on the nose with voters they then have to find massive funding, locking in many years of deficit or sugnificant pain to the electorate - maybe both.

They are not that stupid – well I hope not anyway.

as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters. this policy alone is going to give Abbott a record-breaking majority and the undeniable mandate to repeal it. If the ALP are stupiud enough not to accept this mandate and vote for the repeal then the DD that follows will cause them great harm. Do your history on DDs and early elections. live and learn.

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Reply #23 - May 7^th, 2012 at 8:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters. this policy alone is going to give Abbott a record-breaking majority and the undeniable mandate to repeal it. If the ALP are stupiud enough not to accept this mandate and vote for the repeal then the DD that follows will cause them great harm. Do your history on DDs and early elections. live and learn.

Of which 90%+ have not a clue about the tax and how it works. Poor sales job to date by the government, I grant you. But that can change.

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Reply #24 - May 7^th, 2012 at 8:23pm

Gist wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters. this policy alone is going to give Abbott a record-breaking majority and the undeniable mandate to repeal it. If the ALP are stupiud enough not to accept this mandate and vote for the repeal then the DD that follows will cause them great harm. Do your history on DDs and early elections. live and learn.

Of which 90%+ have not a clue about the tax and how it works. Poor sales job to date by the government, I grant you. But that can change.

keep dreaming and looking at newspoll. people know what it is, they just dont WANT IT especially after being promised it wouldnt be brought in. and you simply cane argue away the huge breach of trust. It is killing them. Some people oppose the CT because of the breach of promise despite being intrinsically in support of the policy. in a democracy, it is a seriosu breach to break promises so quickly and so explicitly. Gillard is about to be electorally smashed as a result. get used to it.

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Reply #25 - May 7^th, 2012 at 8:23pm

Gist wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters. this policy alone is going to give Abbott a record-breaking majority and the undeniable mandate to repeal it. If the ALP are stupiud enough not to accept this mandate and vote for the repeal then the DD that follows will cause them great harm. Do your history on DDs and early elections. live and learn.

Of which 90%+ have not a clue about the tax and how it works. Poor sales job to date by the government, I grant you. But that can change.

as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters

There are many things that are hated by the vast majority of voters such as ALL TAXES, pollies super, voting, pollies in general, working for a living..the list goes on forever but leaders are not there to be popular they are there to lead.
The last thing we need is a populist with no regard to this countries future.

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Reply #26 - May 7^th, 2012 at 8:30pm

adelcrow wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:23pm:

Gist wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters. this policy alone is going to give Abbott a record-breaking majority and the undeniable mandate to repeal it. If the ALP are stupiud enough not to accept this mandate and vote for the repeal then the DD that follows will cause them great harm. Do your history on DDs and early elections. live and learn.

Of which 90%+ have not a clue about the tax and how it works. Poor sales job to date by the government, I grant you. But that can change.

as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters

There are many things that are hated by the vast majority of voters such as ALL TAXES, pollies super, voting, pollies in general, working for a living..the list goes on forever but leaders are not there to be popular they are there to lead.
The last thing we need is a populist with no regard to this countries future.

so when howard does something you dont like it is wrong but when gillard does something universally reviled it is ok?

it is an interesting standard you apply.

mind you the question is a good one for serious debate. All we need now is a serious forum full of serious people and an effective troll filter in place, Do you know of such a place?

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Reply #27 - May 7^th, 2012 at 8:41pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:30pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:23pm:

Gist wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters. this policy alone is going to give Abbott a record-breaking majority and the undeniable mandate to repeal it. If the ALP are stupiud enough not to accept this mandate and vote for the repeal then the DD that follows will cause them great harm. Do your history on DDs and early elections. live and learn.

Of which 90%+ have not a clue about the tax and how it works. Poor sales job to date by the government, I grant you. But that can change.

as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters

There are many things that are hated by the vast majority of voters such as ALL TAXES, pollies super, voting, pollies in general, working for a living..the list goes on forever but leaders are not there to be popular they are there to lead.
The last thing we need is a populist with no regard to this countries future.

so when howard does something you dont like it is wrong but when gillard does something universally reviled it is ok?

it is an interesting standard you apply.

mind you the question is a good one for serious debate. All we need now is a serious forum full of serious people and an effective troll filter in place, Do you know of such a place?

Howard did many things I praised at the time on the Yahoo forums and most of them were very unpopular with the public.
I am wary of any pollie no matter what party they belong to that plays populist politics..I want leaders to lead not to be simpering fools.

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Reply #29 - May 7^th, 2012 at 11:08pm

Johnsmith wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:11pm:

a new election and a possible DD election is all that is needed to remove the carbon tax. and with a massive mandate by teh voters that's EXACTYL what will happen.

you really are stupid sometimes .... even if that was to happen, and I don't agree that it will happen at all, he simply can't afford it .. with all the promises he has been making, he just cannot afford to remove the carbon tax ... the libs will get rid of Abbott before they get rid of the carbon tax

How can Labor afford to have the carbon tax? They're promising nearly $1000 per student for parents who have kids in high school, yet if you believe Labor, most of the money collected from the carbon tax will be handed back as compensation. Where's the money coming from? Labor are too stupid for their own good.

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