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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Religiosity and Narcissism Reply #15 - May 6^th, 2012 at 5:05pm Meditation is not a part of religiosity, it's a technique.
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Reply #16 - May 7^th, 2012 at 10:33am

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In our private meeting, a Christian quoted to me an inscription of King Ashoka, which speaks of how intolerance towards other religions can destroy one's own religion; how the prosperity of a religion is linked to respect for other religions.

The Dalai Lama
http://hhdl.dharmakara.net/hhdlquotes2.html

Some people stand out from the crowd because of their "absence of Narcissism" aka humilitas

The Dalai Lama is one. Pope John Paul II was another.

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Reply #17 - May 7^th, 2012 at 12:07pm

Grey wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 5:05pm:

Meditation is not a part of religiosity, it's a technique.

Meditation can be a 'doorway' for our perceptions.

And meditation can be a form of 'devotion'.

And so can, the way we live our lives.

e.g.
We may 'devote' ourselves, to our families, or to a sport, or to some hobby, or to a 'lifestyle'.

All of those things are all a form of meditation, in the way that we apply ourselves, to them.

Matthew 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.

Dictionary;
devotion = =
1 love, loyalty, or enthusiasm for a person or activity.
2 religious worship or observance.

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And 'religion' ?

What is religion ?

I once heard someone say that our life, is our 'religion'.

I accept that definition.

And if you can also accept that definition, then in a sense, we all express a 'religious' aspect, in the way that we live our lives.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #18 - May 7^th, 2012 at 12:22pm

muso wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 10:33am:

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In our private meeting, a Christian quoted to me an inscription of King Ashoka,

...which speaks of how intolerance towards other religions can destroy one's own religion; how the prosperity of a religion is linked to respect for other religions.

The Dalai Lama
http://hhdl.dharmakara.net/hhdlquotes2.html

Some people stand out from the crowd because of their "absence of Narcissism" aka humilitas

The Dalai Lama is one. Pope John Paul II was another.

And people stand out from the crowd because of their denial of reality, and because of their open embrace of falsehood.

We commonly call such people, LIARS.

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Dalai Lama Defends Islam As Peaceful Religion

July 13th 2008

Bethlehem, PA, USA, 13 July 2008 (By Michael Rubinkam, AP) - The Dalai Lama said Sunday that "it's totally wrong, unfair" to call Islam a violent religion.

http://www.dalailama.com/news/post/247-dalai-lama-defends-islam-as-peaceful-reli...

Do you really, really, believe this assertion, from Buddhist, the Dalai Lama ???

Read up on the history of Buddhism in Afghanistan,

"Buddhism in Afghanistan has a long history. Many monuments, such as the famous Buddhas of Bamyan, testify to the Buddhist culture in Afghanistan. It was during Ashoka's reign that Buddhism was introduced to what later became Afghanistan.....Many of the Iranian forebearers of the Pashtuns, including the Scythians followed Buddhism UNTIL THE ARRIVAL OF ISLAM. Currently, there are a few Buddhists in Afghanistan, PROBABLY NUMBERING 0.3% OF THIS ISLAMIC COUNTRY."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_Afghanistan

Google,
Buddhism afghanistan

IMO, the Dalai Lama is a person living in, embracing denial.

Is he who embraces falsehood, lies, and deception, a person, on the path to enlightenment ??

If true religion, is the/a search for TRUTH....

And if Buddhism is a religion based in TRUTH....

And if the Dalai Lama then comes out, and asserts ISLAM is a peaceful religion, then i would suggest, that for the Dalai Lama to make such a statement [in the face of irrefutable facts to the contrary], the Dalai Lama is clearly telling an un-truth.

And this circumstance [the 'broadcasting' of this un-truth to the world], i would suggest, is probably because the Dalai Lama HAS AN AGENDA, which is not being revealed.

Why not???

And what is that agenda???

And, are these at all improper questions, which i pose???

And i ask, that if the Dalai Lama is portrayed as a wise, truth speaker, why would such a man promote such an obvious falsehood to the world?

It seems that once again [in our PC dominated world],

BLACK IS WHITE, AND WHITE IS BLACK.
UP IS DOWN, AND DOWN IS UP.

Where will all of these lies, all end up?

Where will they take us?

For a possible answer to that Q., look at Afghanistan today.

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"it's totally wrong, unfair" to call Islam a violent religion.

The Dalai Lama

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......PROMOTING, JUSTIFYING, ISLAM's VIOLENT JIHAD against those who are NOT moslems.

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things."
Koran 9.38, 39

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ISLAMIC VIOLENCE TOWARDS THOSE WHO ARE NOT MOSLEMS

That mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine is undeniable.

All of the sects of the moslems, proclaim it.

Being cited.....

e.g. #1

Creed of the sword
September 23, 2006
...the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh.
...Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, THE THIRD OPTION OF VIOLENCE AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS WAS ONLY A LAST RESORT, IF THEY REFUSED TO CONVERT OR SURRENDER PEACEFULLY TO THE ARMIES OF ISLAM.
...The resulting doctrine of war was described by the great medieval philosopher Ibn Khaldun: "In the Muslim community, the holy war (jihad) is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the (Muslim) mission and the (obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force." (The Muqaddimah)

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/creed-of-the-sword/story-e6frg6n6-111111225...

e.g. #2

June 26, 2006
The roots of Islamism
".....Islamists believe in the re-ordering of society to secure total submission to a narrow, puritan and fundamentalist interpretation of Islam......
That cleansing process must be accomplished by suicidal violence, because, in the words of Islamism's most influential thinker, Sayyid Qutb, "the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood.".....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/michael_gove/article679544.e...

e.g. #3

Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-p...

But.....

"it's totally wrong, unfair" to call Islam a violent religion.

The Dalai Lama

Why is the Dalai Lama portraying himself to all the world, as an idiot ???

....could it be that.......???

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #19 - May 7^th, 2012 at 12:32pm

Some "Atheists" don't bother asking. They just assume that they can interpret Biblical quotations better than Christians.

Some Christians don't bother asking. They just assume that they can interpret verses from the Qur'an better than Muslims.

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The tree of craving has its roots in ignorance. It grows out of ignorance, and its seeds fall and flourish whenever they find ignorance.

Gautama Buddha

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22910 A cat with a view	Re: Religiosity and Narcissism Reply #20 - May 7^th, 2012 at 12:41pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 4:32pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 3:51pm: Are you detached from religiosity? Define religiosity. Characterised by excessive religious expression... Hmmm. Perhaps i am NOT detached from religiosity !!!
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Reply #21 - May 7^th, 2012 at 12:49pm

muso wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

Some "Atheists" don't bother asking. They just assume that they can interpret Biblical quotations better than Christians.

Some Christians don't bother asking. They just assume that they can interpret verses from the Qur'an better than Muslims.

Quote:

The tree of craving has its roots in ignorance. It grows out of ignorance, and its seeds fall and flourish whenever they find ignorance.

Gautama Buddha

Creed of the sword
September 23, 2006
...the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh.
...Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, THE THIRD OPTION OF VIOLENCE AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS WAS ONLY A LAST RESORT, IF THEY REFUSED TO CONVERT OR SURRENDER PEACEFULLY TO THE ARMIES OF ISLAM.
...The resulting doctrine of war was described by the great medieval philosopher Ibn Khaldun: "In the Muslim community, the holy war (jihad) is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the (Muslim) mission and the (obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force." (The Muqaddimah)

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/creed-of-the-sword/story-e6frg6n6-111111225...

Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-p...

muso,

Is denial, of what you do not wish to accept [as true], the beginning of wisdom ???

Is living a life of denial [of what is true], the path to enlightenment ???

Is the tolerance of the criminally intolerant a 'higher' form of tolerance, or is it just another form of idiocy ???

TOLERANCE OF EVIL

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

Karl Popper

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

Thomas Mann

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #22 - May 7^th, 2012 at 5:08pm

Yadda,

How many actual Muslims have you known as friends with whom you have actually held regular conversations?

Your view of the Muslim religion is a cartoon cutout. Of course there are crazy extremists, just as there are in all walks of life. Most "terrorists" are not Muslim, and very few Muslims are terrorists.

I still maintain contact with a number of my friends the world over who happen to be Muslim. They are perfectly normal people - not Jihadists.

There are equally xenophobic and exclusionist passages in the Bible. It's all a question of how they are interpreted.

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Religiosity and Narcissism Reply #23 - May 8^th, 2012 at 12:52am A bit of tolerance Yadda, Islam is just playing catch-up. Christianity set the bar.
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Reply #24 - May 8^th, 2012 at 6:16am

Yadda wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 12:41pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

Are you detached from religiosity?

Define religiosity.

Characterised by excessive religious expression...

Hmmm.

Perhaps i am NOT detached from religiosity !!!

Grin

Careful Yadda... Nobody trusts a zealot (sin of pride n'all)... Least not, I'd imagine, an omnibenevolent god?

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22910 A cat with a view	Re: Religiosity and Narcissism Reply #25 - May 9^th, 2012 at 12:35pm Grey wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 12:52am: A bit of tolerance Yadda, Islam is just playing catch-up. Christianity set the bar. grey, That is your opinion. And you are entitled to it. Dictionary; opinion = = a view or judgement not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
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Reply #26 - May 9^th, 2012 at 1:18pm

muso wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

Yadda,

How many actual Muslims have you known as friends with whom you have actually held regular conversations?

Zero.

muso wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

Your view of the Muslim religion is a cartoon cutout.

That is your opinion muso, and you are entitled to it.

I presume then, that your opinion of me, is that i am uninformed about ISLAM, and about what real moslems believe in their heart ?

muso wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

Of course there are crazy extremists, just as there are in all walks of life.

Most "terrorists" are not Muslim, and very few Muslims are terrorists.

muso,

To me, in making such an assertion, you are disconnected from reality.

Real ISLAM promotes a [murderous] philosophy, and you deny that.

In the face of mountains of evidence, which contradict your opinion of benign moslems, you choose to defend moslems, and claim they are being misrepresented.

On your own head be it.

THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION, FROM ARABIC...

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

THE REAL MEANING OF THIS VERSE IN THE ARABIC...
/sarc

"O ye who believe! For your good health, go to the market, and buy ten zuchinnis, and two pumpkins. And have your wife prepare them for your evening meal."

Koran 9.123

Is this what you believe about ISLAM muso ?

That ISLAMIC texts [which i, and many others, say, call for a never ending warfare against unbelievers], are being misrepresented ???

MY OPINION IS THAT......

All moslems [including those who are residing in non-moslem host nations] have the nature [politically], of 'flags in the wind'.

i.e.
Publicly, many moslems will studiously try to reflect the political environment in which they 'travel'.

BUT HERE IS THE TRUTH, muso,

A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM] which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those who do not believe, as they believe.

That is the reality muso.

Today good moslems may claim that they are 'moderate', and tolerant.

But when it suits their purpose [i.e. when Allah provides the 'opportunity'], those good moslems will always revert to type.

And they will then join their Jihad brothers, in murdering those who oppose them.

All moslems, are playing a 'long' game, a deceitful game.

muso,

You claim to have moslem friends, but if you truly knew your moslem friends, you would know that [if they are true moslems] their life, is a life of deceit, towards people such as yourself.

Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

"A Study in Muslim Doctrine
...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them"
Koran 3:28

i.e.
TRUTH
ISLAMIC doctrine teaches *every moslem*, that moslems must not make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": i.e. pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them.

muso.......DO YOUR MOSLEM FRIENDS RESPECT WHAT THE KORAN COMMANDS ???

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."

Koran 5.51

DUH, muso, DUH!

muso wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

I still maintain contact with a number of my friends the world over who happen to be Muslim. They are perfectly normal people - not Jihadists.

And you obviously believe that your moslem friends are being very candid with you, about how Jihad is a personal spiritual struggle ?

"They are perfectly normal people...."

Wrong muso.

Your friends, are people who choose to embrace ISLAM, its tenets, and its laws.

Perhaps you should study what ISLAM promotes, ......instead of only accepting what your moslem friends tell you about ISLAM ?

Or is that too 'taxing' upon your time ?

muso wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

There are equally xenophobic and exclusionist passages in the Bible. It's all a question of how they are interpreted.

Sure muso.

Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

And that is Jesus.
.....on his return.

Revelation 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

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Reply #27 - May 9^th, 2012 at 3:22pm

You can't be an expert in Islam without actually listening to Muslims.
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Psalm 35

35:1 Plead my cause, O LORD, with them that strive with me: fight against them that fight against me.
35:2 Take hold of shield and buckler, and stand up for mine help.
35:3 Draw out also the spear, and stop the way against them that persecute me: say unto my soul, I am thy salvation.

That would be the zucchini or the corn cob, I presume.

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35:4 Let them be confounded and put to shame that seek after my soul: let them be turned back and brought to confusion that devise my hurt.
35:5 Let them be as chaff before the wind: and let the angel of the LORD chase them.
35:6 Let their way be dark and slippery: and let the angel of the LORD persecute them.
35:7 For without cause have they hid for me their net in a pit, which without cause they have digged for my soul.
35:8 Let destruction come upon him at unawares; and let his net that he hath hid catch himself: into that very destruction let him fall.
35:9 And my soul shall be joyful in the LORD: it shall rejoice in his salvation.

Pretty violent, bigotted stuff, this Christianity? (Of course I won't make that judgement myself without having spoken to a single Christian, but I'm making a point here)

This is a Psalm! These Christians sing about this......They celebrate the bloody death of anybody who is not like them!

This next one is creepy. I'm a proud Heathen, and I'm certainly not going to meet you after reading this. Your religion wants to kill and Heathens and laugh at them! Shocked

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Psalm 59

59:1 Deliver me from mine enemies, O my God: defend me from them that rise up against me.
59:2 Deliver me from the workers of iniquity, and save me from bloody men.
59:3 For, lo, they lie in wait for my soul: the mighty are gathered against me; not for my transgression, nor for my sin, O LORD.
59:4 They run and prepare themselves without my fault: awake to help me, and behold.
59:5 Thou therefore, O LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel, awake to visit all the heathen: be not merciful to any wicked transgressors. Selah.
59:6 They return at evening: they make a noise like a dog, and go round about the city.
59:7 Behold, they belch out with their mouth: swords are in their lips: for who, say they, doth hear?
59:8 But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision.

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Reply #28 - May 9^th, 2012 at 3:29pm

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Proverbs 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

You can be imprisoned for that kind of thing. That's child abuse. What kind of rod do Catholic Priests use?

Just look at the obsession with blood in the next passage. Apparently God will not forgive anyone unless something is killed for him in a bloody manner.

These Christians are people who choose to embrace CHRISTIANITY, its tenets, and its laws.

If there was some event that they interpreted as Armageddon, I doubt if they would be very trustworthy. Choose your friends well. They might be all smiles and cups of tea and biscuits, but come Armageddon, Christians would slit your throat without the slightest hesitation.

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Hebrews

9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. (9:13-22)

(9:13) "For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh."

(9:14) "How much more shall the blood of Christ."

Don't bother with foreigners:

Quote:

Matthew:
10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

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Reply #29 - May 9^th, 2012 at 9:21pm

muso wrote on May 9^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

You can't be an expert in Islam without actually listening to Muslims.
Quote:

Psalm 35

35:1 Plead my cause, O LORD, with them that strive with me: fight against them that fight against me.
35:2 Take hold of shield and buckler, and stand up for mine help.
35:3 Draw out also the spear, and stop the way against them that persecute me: say unto my soul, I am thy salvation.

That would be the zucchini or the corn cob, I presume.

Quote:

35:4 Let them be confounded and put to shame that seek after my soul: let them be turned back and brought to confusion that devise my hurt.
35:5 Let them be as chaff before the wind: and let the angel of the LORD chase them.
35:6 Let their way be dark and slippery: and let the angel of the LORD persecute them.
35:7 For without cause have they hid for me their net in a pit, which without cause they have digged for my soul.
35:8 Let destruction come upon him at unawares; and let his net that he hath hid catch himself: into that very destruction let him fall.
35:9 And my soul shall be joyful in the LORD: it shall rejoice in his salvation.

Pretty violent, bigotted stuff, this Christianity? (Of course I won't make that judgement myself without having spoken to a single Christian, but I'm making a point here)

This is a Psalm! These Christians sing about this......They celebrate the bloody death of anybody who is not like them!

This next one is creepy. I'm a proud Heathen, and I'm certainly not going to meet you after reading this. Your religion wants to kill and Heathens and laugh at them! Shocked

Quote:

Psalm 59

59:1 Deliver me from mine enemies, O my God: defend me from them that rise up against me.
59:2 Deliver me from the workers of iniquity, and save me from bloody men.
59:3 For, lo, they lie in wait for my soul: the mighty are gathered against me; not for my transgression, nor for my sin, O LORD.
59:4 They run and prepare themselves without my fault: awake to help me, and behold.
59:5 Thou therefore, O LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel, awake to visit all the heathen: be not merciful to any wicked transgressors. Selah.
59:6 They return at evening: they make a noise like a dog, and go round about the city.
59:7 Behold, they belch out with their mouth: swords are in their lips: for who, say they, doth hear?
59:8 But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision.

"Pretty violent, bigotted stuff, this Christianity?"

Oh, very good muso. Wink

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"them that fight against me."
"them that persecute me:"
"them...that seek after my soul:"
"them....that devise my hurt."
"For without cause....they hid for me their net in a pit,"
"without cause they have digged for my soul."
"Deliver me from mine enemies,"
"defend me from them that rise up against me."
"Deliver me from the workers of iniquity,"
"and save me from bloody men."
"they lie in wait for my soul:"
"the mighty are gathered against me; not for my transgression, nor for my sin, O LORD."
"They....prepare themselves without my fault:"

Hey muso,

What unconscionable rascals those Jews are, eh ?

To imagine that they should call on their God, to help them, against those who are oppressing them!

How dare the Jews, ask God to protect them from 'bloody [i.e. violent] men', and their oppressors ?
/sarc off

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muso,

You speak of your moslem friends;

muso wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

I still maintain contact with a number of my friends the world over who happen to be Muslim. They are perfectly normal people - not Jihadists.

muso,

Is Taqi Usmani [below] also one of your moslem friends ?

Because he counsels fellow moslems to 'preach peace' to their non-moslem friends.....while preaching something else, among the moslem community!

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Psalms 28:2
Hear the voice of my supplications, when I cry unto thee, when I lift up my hands toward thy holy oracle.
3 Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.
4 Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.

Wow!

People who ".....speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts."

......hmmm, now where have i heard that before ???

Not from a respected moslem scholar !!!

A moslem [and a scholar at that], who is promoting lies, and who is encouraging moslems to deceive their non-moslem neighbours and cultural hosts ???

Yadda, wash out your mouth with carbolic soap!!
/sarc off

muso,

The moslems wish to do to us also [i.e. their non-moslem neighbours and cultural hosts], exactly what moslems have been doing to the Jewish people, for centuries.

Speaking peace, .......and planning their moslem treachery, and MURDER.

Moslem treachery ???

Google;
tactical muslim hudna

Psalms 83:1
Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

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muso,

Please can you tell me what this Koran verse means ?

Coz i'm so slow, and i need to know how many zuchinnis to buy down at the market tomorrow.....

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Is that 2 zuchinnis, or 4 zuchinnis ???

Hmmmm ?

Coz, its so difficult to understand what ISLAMIC texts mean.
/sarc off

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muso,

And always remember, moslems are your friends.

You stand with the moslems, against those who are 'oppressing' moslems [...'oppressing' moslems, by exposing moslem machinations].

Coz you know that your moslem friends are sincere, in all of their communications with you [....their infidel 'friend'].

"...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."

Koran 2.98

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