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Reply #30 - May 5^th, 2012 at 2:01pm

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

cods wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:08am:

can you show us WHERE THE OPPOSITION HAVE INTERFERRED???

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-23/police-to-investigate-thomson/2851754

New South Wales police say they are looking at whether there are grounds for an investigation into allegations levelled against Federal Labor MP Craig Thomson.

Shadow attorney-general George Brandis wrote to NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione yesterday asking for police to look at Mr Thomson's use of a union credit card.

Senator Brandis wrote that Mr Thomson had given implausible explanations on how his Health Services Union credit card had paid for escort services.

Mr Thomson has admitted authorising the payment to an escort service in 2005, but has said another man used the card and forged his signature.

He has consistently denied any wrongdoing.

At this point this was a case where the NSW police had already investigated the matter and found no case to be answered.

The shadow AG asked his Liberal mate to reopen an investigation into this matter primarily because he politically did not like the result of the prior investigation.

This is clear interference into a police matter already concluded aimed at gaining political benifit.

Lets face it ..the Libs dont care about justice for the HSU members..all they care about is dummy spitting and wasting precious police resources until there is another election.

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Reply #31 - May 5^th, 2012 at 3:48pm

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

1. The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents.

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The Previous government won several elections on the back of lies (actual real lies) and paid no electoral price.

there will never ever be a GST under any government I lead, Children were not thrown over board, They did know about Abu Prison, Iraq had no WMD’s (over 100,000 died on that little mistake), They really knew nothing about the AWB (ho ho ho), We are happy with the current IR position and have no plans for substantial change (then we get workchoices), They knew all about what was happing on the waterfront – until a Judge found they had questions to answer on conspiracy (then they all knew nothing) and on and on.

Under the Howard government promises meant absolutly nothing yet they kept winning elections?

Why the change in standards and accountability?

The biggest difference today is that we have a much more honest government but the media is driving for regime change and the opposition is happy to reside in the gutter.

the answer would be obvious if you had the capcity to understand it. Gillard promised no carbon tax and then reversed her promis mere WEEKS later after sliding into power. Howard changed his mind FIVE YEARS later and invited everyone to agree or disagree with this change. The difference is beyond stellar and you are one of only a few buffoons who cnat see the difference

But we get the last laugh. If Howard had introduced a GST in 1996 after promising not to he woudl ahve lost the election in 1998. But because he took it to an election, he won.

Its called integrity. Howard had in spades and Gillard cannot even spell the word.

Nor you, apparently.

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Re: Reasons why ALP cannot possibly win next election
Reply #32 - May 5^th, 2012 at 3:50pm

Armchair, that is not the spirit at all. There are plenty of ways Labor could get back in. Anything could happen.

Perhaps Juliar could turn a cargo ship carrying shipwrecked people away.

No no, that's been done. Perhaps she could start a war with Indonesia.

Yes, I know, Bob Carr wouldn't let her. Stephen Smith might - he'd do anything to shaft the army.

Still, Indonesia would win. Plus, they're too close. We need a good foreign war - like Gallipoli. Someone we can beat, miles away, and someone the Amerikans will take the lead on.

How about Pakistan? They might be allies, but that doesn't mean we have to like them.

Look - say some Paki terrorist shoots down one of Amerika's drones. Are we just meant to stand back and let it happen?

We can't. There's the ANZUS treaty for a start. Australia takes its treaty obligations very seriously. Also, we have a relationship with the US, a shared culture. Not to mention trade considerations.

Then, into Pakistan for another endless war and Labor gets another term - hopefully with a majority this time. Juliar gets to look tough and statesmanlike. A warrior. What's the right word?

Thatcheresque.

Would you vote for her? Who wouldn't? She'd be our Joan of Arc standing up against Pakistani tyranny. She'd be defending Western civilization itself. Forget a a few dodgy insulation schemes, Juliar would be taking us onto the world stage, the theatre of war.

And you don't change generals at the start of a battle. This, after all, is about security.

If Juliar took the fight to the enemy of the Western civilization, we'd be with her in a flash.

Still, that's the problem with the Labor Party these days. No imagination.

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Reply #33 - May 5^th, 2012 at 3:57pm

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:07am:

cods wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:01am:

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP.

Any yet Tnoy Abott has his foot jammed solidly in the door making sure that they continue to come?

THe best political result the the opposition is to make sure that the boats continue to arrive - Tnoy Abbnott is the people smugglers best friend at the moment.

you make me laugh dna,,the fact that your mob opened the floodgates to the people smugglers..always seems to slip your mind...

and lets not forget the bleeding hearts on here including yourself was well in favor of what they did...ooooo how could you possibly turn your back on these lost souls you are all soooooo cruel and bigoted.

yeah I think we got the message.. have you put your hand up for the $300 per couple of asylum seekers...probably single strapping young men.?

of course you have.!!!!!!

and if this program runs in the usual fashion that we have become to expect from the LABS>... good luck to you!!!!

you make me laugh dna,,the fact that your mob opened the floodgates to the people smugglers..always seems to slip your mind

No it does not slip my mind, at the time I thought it was the right thing to do and even today I do not support off shore processing but I do acknowledge that it does stop the boats.

Pointing blame into the past may give you and your mates a nice warm feeling but the fact remains that the major blockage to going back to off shore processing today is Tnoy Abbnott and he is only doing it for political gain - its not about keeping a few refugees out its about an election in 2013.

well at least you finally acknoweldge that the howard policy worked. Its only taken 5 years for that! And it isnt abbott stopping off-shore. it is Gillard. Quite simply, she cant be trusted. The Malyasan solution is UNACCEPTABLE to everyone. If Abbott passed the off-shore processing bill she would just go right back to Malaysia. She says she wont, but do YOU trust her? No-one does. The Greens wont support it either because her word is worthless.

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Reply #34 - May 5^th, 2012 at 3:58pm

adelcrow wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 2:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

cods wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:08am:

can you show us WHERE THE OPPOSITION HAVE INTERFERRED???

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-23/police-to-investigate-thomson/2851754

New South Wales police say they are looking at whether there are grounds for an investigation into allegations levelled against Federal Labor MP Craig Thomson.

Shadow attorney-general George Brandis wrote to NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione yesterday asking for police to look at Mr Thomson's use of a union credit card.

Senator Brandis wrote that Mr Thomson had given implausible explanations on how his Health Services Union credit card had paid for escort services.

Mr Thomson has admitted authorising the payment to an escort service in 2005, but has said another man used the card and forged his signature.

He has consistently denied any wrongdoing.

At this point this was a case where the NSW police had already investigated the matter and found no case to be answered.

The shadow AG asked his Liberal mate to reopen an investigation into this matter primarily because he politically did not like the result of the prior investigation.

This is clear interference into a police matter already concluded aimed at gaining political benifit.

Lets face it ..the Libs dont care about justice for the HSU members..all they care about is dummy spitting and wasting precious police resources until there is another election.

yeah obviously... after all, who is the ONLY party pushing the have the HSU and its former leadership held accountably? The libs while the ALP is doing itts usual trick of trying to pervert the course of justice.

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Re: Reasons why ALP cannot possibly win next election
Reply #35 - May 5^th, 2012 at 3:59pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

1. The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents.

.

The Previous government won several elections on the back of lies (actual real lies) and paid no electoral price.

there will never ever be a GST under any government I lead, Children were not thrown over board, They did know about Abu Prison, Iraq had no WMD’s (over 100,000 died on that little mistake), They really knew nothing about the AWB (ho ho ho), We are happy with the current IR position and have no plans for substantial change (then we get workchoices), They knew all about what was happing on the waterfront – until a Judge found they had questions to answer on conspiracy (then they all knew nothing) and on and on.

Under the Howard government promises meant absolutly nothing yet they kept winning elections?

Why the change in standards and accountability?

The biggest difference today is that we have a much more honest government but the media is driving for regime change and the opposition is happy to reside in the gutter.

the answer would be obvious if you had the capcity to understand it. Gillard promised no carbon tax and then reversed her promis mere WEEKS later after sliding into power. Howard changed his mind FIVE YEARS later and invited everyone to agree or disagree with this change. The difference is beyond stellar and you are one of only a few buffoons who cnat see the difference

But we get the last laugh. If Howard had introduced a GST in 1996 after promising not to he woudl ahve lost the election in 1998. But because he took it to an election, he won.

Its called integrity. Howard had in spades and Gillard cannot even spell the word.

Nor you, apparently.

If Abbott had fallen over the line at the last election we would have a carbon tax as well because the Greens have the Senate by the balls and they went to the election promising a carbon tax.
Abbott or Gillard, Howard or Rudd...the people voted for action on carbon pollution at the last 2 elections.

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Reply #36 - May 5^th, 2012 at 4:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

the answer would be obvious if you had the capcity to understand it. Gillard promised no carbon tax and then reversed her promis mere WEEKS later after sliding into power. Howard changed his mind

FIVE

YEARS later and invited everyone to agree or disagree with this change. The difference is beyond stellar and you are one of only a few buffoons who cnat see the difference

But we get the last laugh. If Howard had introduced a GST in 1996 after promising not to he woudl ahve lost the election in 1998. But because he took it to an election, he won.

Its called integrity. Howard had in spades and Gillard cannot even spell the word.

Nor you, apparently.

Gillard promised no carbon tax and then reversed her promis mere WEEKS later

A carbon price much different to what was being called a carbon tax before the election and where nobody ever pays any tax and the commitment to price carbon in some form was always on the agenda.

Howard changed his mind FIVE YEARS later and invited everyone to agree or disagree with this change.

Howard made his announcement 14 months later and had been planning it for a at least several months prior to that in the very term he had promised not to. Howard never changed his mind at all (he sucked you in) - he was always a supporter of a GST. Had he not made the GST commitment he would have never been PM or in a position to dishonestly introduce a GST.

Focusing on the GST is convenient but it leaves out the fact that no promise he made could be relied upon, he coined the term non core promise which points to the many commitments he had made which he deliberately broke.

Its called integrity. Howard had in spades

His own mates called him a Lying rodent? That is the people who know him and were dealing with him day in and day out - the people who would know.

He was cynically called Honest John - meaning the exact opposite.

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Reply #37 - May 5^th, 2012 at 4:40pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

1. The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents.

2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP.

3. Inability to manage the economy as evidenced in the skyrocketing debt and continued borrowing at the rate of $100 million per day. Interest on our debt is a staggering $7 billion a year and climbing.

4. Failed, lethal and extensively rorted stimulus schemes that resulted in deaths, houses burnt to the ground and billions of dollars simply wasted. The effectiveness of these schemes in keeping our country out of recession is debatable.

5. Corruption in the form of interference in the Craig Thomson investigation - why else would such a relatively straightforward investigation take nearly four years?

6. Grubby tactics that are backfiring on a PM paralysed by fear of losing her majority, specifically her failure to act on Thomson or Slipper.

7. A completely disfunctional government that is at war with itself through its various factions.

8. The fact that the ALP is one point off its record all-time lowest polling results and the PM is one of the most unpopular in history.

There are many other reasons, but these are some of the most pressing and high-profile.

LOL the conga line of solid gold dancing suckholes must be sh itting themselves if they need to resort to threads like this 18 months out from an election. They can probably see Abbotts demise too.

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Reply #38 - May 5^th, 2012 at 4:48pm

skippy. wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 4:40pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

1. The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents.

2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP.

3. Inability to manage the economy as evidenced in the skyrocketing debt and continued borrowing at the rate of $100 million per day. Interest on our debt is a staggering $7 billion a year and climbing.

4. Failed, lethal and extensively rorted stimulus schemes that resulted in deaths, houses burnt to the ground and billions of dollars simply wasted. The effectiveness of these schemes in keeping our country out of recession is debatable.

5. Corruption in the form of interference in the Craig Thomson investigation - why else would such a relatively straightforward investigation take nearly four years?

6. Grubby tactics that are backfiring on a PM paralysed by fear of losing her majority, specifically her failure to act on Thomson or Slipper.

7. A completely disfunctional government that is at war with itself through its various factions.

8. The fact that the ALP is one point off its record all-time lowest polling results and the PM is one of the most unpopular in history.

There are many other reasons, but these are some of the most pressing and high-profile.

LOL the conga line of solid gold dancing suckholes must be sh itting themselves if they need to resort to threads like this 18 months out from an election. They can probably see Abbotts demise too.

Once Abbott receives his policies from Clive Palmer and gets permission to release them I'm guessing he will come back to the field.

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Reply #39 - May 5^th, 2012 at 5:21pm

adelcrow wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

1. The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents.

.

The Previous government won several elections on the back of lies (actual real lies) and paid no electoral price.

there will never ever be a GST under any government I lead, Children were not thrown over board, They did know about Abu Prison, Iraq had no WMD’s (over 100,000 died on that little mistake), They really knew nothing about the AWB (ho ho ho), We are happy with the current IR position and have no plans for substantial change (then we get workchoices), They knew all about what was happing on the waterfront – until a Judge found they had questions to answer on conspiracy (then they all knew nothing) and on and on.

Under the Howard government promises meant absolutly nothing yet they kept winning elections?

Why the change in standards and accountability?

The biggest difference today is that we have a much more honest government but the media is driving for regime change and the opposition is happy to reside in the gutter.

the answer would be obvious if you had the capcity to understand it. Gillard promised no carbon tax and then reversed her promis mere WEEKS later after sliding into power. Howard changed his mind FIVE YEARS later and invited everyone to agree or disagree with this change. The difference is beyond stellar and you are one of only a few buffoons who cnat see the difference

But we get the last laugh. If Howard had introduced a GST in 1996 after promising not to he woudl ahve lost the election in 1998. But because he took it to an election, he won.

Its called integrity. Howard had in spades and Gillard cannot even spell the word.

Nor you, apparently.

If Abbott had fallen over the line at the last election we would have a carbon tax as well because the Greens have the Senate by the balls and they went to the election promising a carbon tax.
Abbott or Gillard, Howard or Rudd...the people voted for action on carbon pollution at the last 2 elections.

and if Gillard had won the last election we weould not have a carbon tax because thats what she promised. hmm... didnt work out that way.

try again. this time with an argument that doesnt blow up in your face.

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Reply #40 - May 5^th, 2012 at 5:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

1. The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents.

.

The Previous government won several elections on the back of lies (actual real lies) and paid no electoral price.

there will never ever be a GST under any government I lead, Children were not thrown over board, They did know about Abu Prison, Iraq had no WMD’s (over 100,000 died on that little mistake), They really knew nothing about the AWB (ho ho ho), We are happy with the current IR position and have no plans for substantial change (then we get workchoices), They knew all about what was happing on the waterfront – until a Judge found they had questions to answer on conspiracy (then they all knew nothing) and on and on.

Under the Howard government promises meant absolutly nothing yet they kept winning elections?

Why the change in standards and accountability?

The biggest difference today is that we have a much more honest government but the media is driving for regime change and the opposition is happy to reside in the gutter.

the answer would be obvious if you had the capcity to understand it. Gillard promised no carbon tax and then reversed her promis mere WEEKS later after sliding into power. Howard changed his mind FIVE YEARS later and invited everyone to agree or disagree with this change. The difference is beyond stellar and you are one of only a few buffoons who cnat see the difference

But we get the last laugh. If Howard had introduced a GST in 1996 after promising not to he woudl ahve lost the election in 1998. But because he took it to an election, he won.

Its called integrity. Howard had in spades and Gillard cannot even spell the word.

Nor you, apparently.

If Abbott had fallen over the line at the last election we would have a carbon tax as well because the Greens have the Senate by the balls and they went to the election promising a carbon tax.
Abbott or Gillard, Howard or Rudd...the people voted for action on carbon pollution at the last 2 elections.

and if Gillard had won the last election we weould not have a carbon tax because thats what she promised. hmm... didnt work out that way.

try again. this time with an argument that doesnt blow up in your face.

Consider it a non core promise ..a la John Howard Grin

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Reply #41 - May 5^th, 2012 at 6:35pm

adelcrow wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 5:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

1. The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents.

.

The Previous government won several elections on the back of lies (actual real lies) and paid no electoral price.

there will never ever be a GST under any government I lead, Children were not thrown over board, They did know about Abu Prison, Iraq had no WMD’s (over 100,000 died on that little mistake), They really knew nothing about the AWB (ho ho ho), We are happy with the current IR position and have no plans for substantial change (then we get workchoices), They knew all about what was happing on the waterfront – until a Judge found they had questions to answer on conspiracy (then they all knew nothing) and on and on.

Under the Howard government promises meant absolutly nothing yet they kept winning elections?

Why the change in standards and accountability?

The biggest difference today is that we have a much more honest government but the media is driving for regime change and the opposition is happy to reside in the gutter.

the answer would be obvious if you had the capcity to understand it. Gillard promised no carbon tax and then reversed her promis mere WEEKS later after sliding into power. Howard changed his mind FIVE YEARS later and invited everyone to agree or disagree with this change. The difference is beyond stellar and you are one of only a few buffoons who cnat see the difference

But we get the last laugh. If Howard had introduced a GST in 1996 after promising not to he woudl ahve lost the election in 1998. But because he took it to an election, he won.

Its called integrity. Howard had in spades and Gillard cannot even spell the word.

Nor you, apparently.

If Abbott had fallen over the line at the last election we would have a carbon tax as well because the Greens have the Senate by the balls and they went to the election promising a carbon tax.
Abbott or Gillard, Howard or Rudd...the people voted for action on carbon pollution at the last 2 elections.

and if Gillard had won the last election we weould not have a carbon tax because thats what she promised. hmm... didnt work out that way.

try again. this time with an argument that doesnt blow up in your face.

Consider it a non core promise ..a la John Howard Grin

so if Abbott brings in workchoices again you will smile and just say 'non-core'?

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61899 Here Gender:	Re: Reasons why ALP cannot possibly win next election Reply #42 - May 5^th, 2012 at 7:21pm longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 6:35pm: so if Abbott brings in workchoices again you will smile and just say 'non-core'? Didn't Howard already effectively say that but no I would smile and say pathetic one term government.
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Reasons why ALP cannot possibly win next election Reply #43 - May 5^th, 2012 at 7:24pm so if Abbott brings in workchoices again you will smile and just say 'non-core'? So far hes been to gutless to admit to any workplace reforms but I for one would be glad for it to become the number political topic in the country again.
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Reply #44 - May 16^th, 2012 at 7:11pm

adelcrow wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

so if Abbott brings in workchoices again you will smile and just say 'non-core'?

So far hes been to gutless to admit to any workplace reforms but I for one would be glad for it to become the number political topic in the country again.

nah... I'll just smaile and say 'carbon tax'.

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