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Reply #15 - May 5^th, 2012 at 10:51am

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

5. Corruption in the form of interference in the Craig Thomson investigation - why else would such a relatively straightforward investigation take nearly four years?

There has not been an investigation which took 4 years, there have been at least 4 separate investigations starting at different times which span that period with about 3 coming to a much earlier conclusion having found no case to answer.

The opposition have been the group interfering in this series of investigations and doing it clearly for political gain. It was a federal opposition member who was asking the state police ministers to instruct police to start new investigations when the previous ones got results they didn't like.

Yes there has been corrupt political interference but it has not come from the Government.

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Reasons why ALP cannot possibly win next election Reply #16 - May 5^th, 2012 at 10:51am So will the Coalition abolish the ALP's free trade, open borders mass immigration policies or protect Australian Businesses and Jobs?
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Re: Reasons why ALP cannot possibly win next election
Reply #17 - May 5^th, 2012 at 10:53am

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

5. Corruption in the form of interference in the Craig Thomson investigation - why else would such a relatively straightforward investigation take nearly four years?

There has not been an investigation which took 4 years, there have been at least 4 seperate investigations starting at different times which span that period with about 3 coming to a much earlier conclusion haveing found no case to answer.

The opposition have been the group interfering in this series of investigations and doing it clearly for political gain. I was a federal opposition member who was asking the state police ministers to ask for new investigations when the previous ones got the results they didn't like.

Yes there has been corrupt political interference but it has not come from the Government.

I'm sure you believe that nonsense, too...

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Re: Reasons why ALP cannot possibly win next election
Reply #19 - May 5^th, 2012 at 11:00am

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

5. Corruption in the form of interference in the Craig Thomson investigation - why else would such a relatively straightforward investigation take nearly four years?

There has not been an investigation which took 4 years, there have been at least 4 seperate investigations starting at different times which span that period with about 3 coming to a much earlier conclusion haveing found no case to answer.

The opposition have been the group interfering in this series of investigations and doing it clearly for political gain. I was a federal opposition member who was asking the state police ministers to ask for new investigations when the previous ones got the results they didn't like.

Yes there has been corrupt political interference but it has not come from the Government.

I'm sure you believe that nonsense, too...

Are you saying that there have not been a number of investigation over that period?

Are you saying that several investigations were not completed finding no case to answer?

Are you saying that a federal minister did not ask the state police ministers to re open investigations?

or that it was not primarily done for political gain?

That nonsense is actuall all factual.

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Reply #20 - May 5^th, 2012 at 11:01am

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP.

Any yet Tnoy Abott has his foot jammed solidly in the door making sure that they continue to come?

THe best political result the the opposition is to make sure that the boats continue to arrive - Tnoy Abbnott is the people smugglers best friend at the moment.

you make me laugh dna,,the fact that your mob opened the floodgates to the people smugglers..always seems to slip your mind...

and lets not forget the bleeding hearts on here including yourself was well in favor of what they did...ooooo how could you possibly turn your back on these lost souls you are all soooooo cruel and bigoted.

yeah I think we got the message.. have you put your hand up for the $300 per couple of asylum seekers...probably single strapping young men.?

of course you have.!!!!!!

and if this program runs in the usual fashion that we have become to expect from the LABS>... good luck to you!!!! Grin

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Reply #21 - May 5^th, 2012 at 11:05am

adelcrow wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:51am:

So will the Coalition abolish the ALP's free trade, open borders mass immigration policies or protect Australian Businesses and Jobs? Roll Eyes

Nope and they would be stupid to do so

On the contrary, it would be the most significant reform of the Australian economy in its history rolling back decades of ineptitude, instability and failure. Grin

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Reply #22 - May 5^th, 2012 at 11:07am

cods wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:01am:

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP.

Any yet Tnoy Abott has his foot jammed solidly in the door making sure that they continue to come?

THe best political result the the opposition is to make sure that the boats continue to arrive - Tnoy Abbnott is the people smugglers best friend at the moment.

you make me laugh dna,,the fact that your mob opened the floodgates to the people smugglers..always seems to slip your mind...

and lets not forget the bleeding hearts on here including yourself was well in favor of what they did...ooooo how could you possibly turn your back on these lost souls you are all soooooo cruel and bigoted.

yeah I think we got the message.. have you put your hand up for the $300 per couple of asylum seekers...probably single strapping young men.?

of course you have.!!!!!!

and if this program runs in the usual fashion that we have become to expect from the LABS>... good luck to you!!!!

you make me laugh dna,,the fact that your mob opened the floodgates to the people smugglers..always seems to slip your mind

No it does not slip my mind, at the time I thought it was the right thing to do and even today I do not support off shore processing but I do acknowledge that it does stop the boats.

Pointing blame into the past may give you and your mates a nice warm feeling but the fact remains that the major blockage to going back to off shore processing today is Tnoy Abbnott and he is only doing it for political gain - its not about keeping a few refugees out its about an election in 2013.

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Re: Reasons why ALP cannot possibly win next election
Reply #23 - May 5^th, 2012 at 11:08am

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:51am:

[quote author=586B747A7178706B497675706D707A707877190 link=1336177073/0#0 date=1336177073]These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

5. Corruption in the form of interference in the Craig Thomson investigation - why else would such a relatively straightforward investigation take nearly four years?

There has not been an investigation which took 4 years, there have been at least 4 seperate investigations starting at different times which span that period with about 3 coming to a much earlier conclusion haveing found no case to answer.

The opposition have been the group interfering in this series of investigations and doing it clearly for political gain. I was a federal opposition member who was asking the state police ministers to ask for new investigations when the previous ones got the results they didn't like.

Yes there has been corrupt political interference but it has not come from the Government.

I'm sure you believe that nonsense, too...[/quote]

Are you saying that there have not been a number of investigation over that period?

Are you saying that several investigations were not completed finding no case to answer?

Are you saying that a federal minister did not ask the state police ministers to re open investigations?

or that it was not primarily done for political gain?

That nonsense is actuall all factual.

dna... FAIRWORK has spent more than 4 years investigating the HSU.

not only did they stall and stall.. changing heads was one of them... they also brought in a verdict and passed it on to the DDP who have no jurisdiction over bringing charges... of which there are MANY..

can you show us WHERE THE OPPOSITION HAVE INTERFERRED???

as for one investigation going no where.. guess which one it was..

yes thats right... the one about THOMO using his credit card for brothels.. in Sydney..

the police said there was no crime in using a credit card to visit brothels.. which of course there isnt...

however the police soon changed that and handed it all on to the Victorian Police..

and as you can see by the raid during the week and the fact they caught the President in the carpark with a briefcase full of papers... says quite a lot to me..

IT STINKS... NO ESCAPING IT, IT IS PUTRID.

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Re: Reasons why ALP cannot possibly win next election
Reply #24 - May 5^th, 2012 at 11:10am

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:07am:

cods wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:01am:

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP.

Any yet Tnoy Abott has his foot jammed solidly in the door making sure that they continue to come?

THe best political result the the opposition is to make sure that the boats continue to arrive - Tnoy Abbnott is the people smugglers best friend at the moment.

you make me laugh dna,,the fact that your mob opened the floodgates to the people smugglers..always seems to slip your mind...

and lets not forget the bleeding hearts on here including yourself was well in favor of what they did...ooooo how could you possibly turn your back on these lost souls you are all soooooo cruel and bigoted.

yeah I think we got the message.. have you put your hand up for the $300 per couple of asylum seekers...probably single strapping young men.?

of course you have.!!!!!!

and if this program runs in the usual fashion that we have become to expect from the LABS>... good luck to you!!!!

you make me laugh dna,,the fact that your mob opened the floodgates to the people smugglers..always seems to slip your mind

No it does not slip my mind, at the time I thought it was the right thing to do and even today I do not support off shore processing but I do acknowledge that it does stop the boats.

Pointing blame into the past may give you and your mates a nice warm feeling but the fact remains that the major blockage to going back to off shore processing today is Tnoy Abbnott and he is only doing it for political gain - its not about keeping a few refugees out its about an election in 2013.

I think you will find you do more than your share of pointing blame....

you never miss blaming Abbott and he wasnt the leader when all this started..

chopping and changing which this govt is well klnown for... doesnt instill faith in me as it does yourself....

hey how many are you putting your hand up for???.. after all you invited them to come in this way didnt you??????

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Reply #25 - May 5^th, 2012 at 11:32am

cods wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:08am:

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

Are you saying that there have not been a number of investigation over that period?

Are you saying that several investigations were not completed finding no case to answer?

Are you saying that a federal minister did not ask the state police ministers to re open investigations?

or that it was not primarily done for political gain?

That nonsense is actuall all factual.

dna... FAIRWORK has spent more than 4 years investigating the HSU.

not only did they stall and stall.. changing heads was one of them... they also brought in a verdict and passed it on to the DDP who have no jurisdiction over bringing charges... of which there are MANY..

can you show us WHERE THE OPPOSITION HAVE INTERFERRED???

as for one investigation going no where.. guess which one it was..

yes thats right... the one about THOMO using his credit card for brothels.. in Sydney..

the police said there was no crime in using a credit card to visit brothels.. which of course there isnt...

however the police soon changed that and handed it all on to the Victorian Police..

and as you can see by the raid during the week and the fact they caught the President in the carpark with a briefcase full of papers... says quite a lot to me..

IT STINKS... NO ESCAPING IT, IT IS PUTRID.

dna... FAIRWORK has spent more than 4 years investigating the HSU.

Fair work are not part of any police group and do not do criminal investigations.

however the police soon changed that and handed it all on to the Victorian Police..

and as you can see by the raid during the week and the fact they caught the President in the carpark with a briefcase full of papers... says quite a lot to me..

This is significantly incorrect, the raids are from the task force group which was initiated 12 months ago following the Liberals interference in the process after the state police found a result the liberals didn't like.

they also brought in a verdict No Fair work produced a report.

DDP who have no jurisdiction over bringing charges. The function of the DPP is to bring charges.

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Reply #26 - May 5^th, 2012 at 11:41am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:30am:

I am not one for predicting poll timings Adel but you can't say it will definitely run full term.

They have no majority at all.

You are right but I would think it best to assume they will run full term till they don't.

I would think the probability is high that it will go full term.

After all it is dependant on the independants who will all be unemployed if they vote with the opposition - can't see them cutting their own throats.

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Reply #27 - May 5^th, 2012 at 11:48am

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

7. A completely disfunctional government that is at war with itself through its various factions.

Once upon a time in a land far far away is a completely disfunctional government that is at war with itself through its various factions.

Sounds more like the Lieberals and look their is a part for Shrek in it too, Tnoy could be the Donkey.

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Reply #28 - May 5^th, 2012 at 12:27pm

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

7. A completely disfunctional government that is at war with itself through its various factions.

Once upon a time in a land far far away is a completely disfunctional government that is at war with itself through its various factions.

Sounds more like the Lieberals and look their is a part for Shrek in it too, Tnoy could be the Donkey.

When was the last LIB leadership challenge?

When was the last ALP leadership challenge? And the ALP leadership challenge before that?

And the current leadership discord is in the ALP camp not LIBs.

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Reply #29 - May 5^th, 2012 at 1:53pm

cods wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:08am:

can you show us WHERE THE OPPOSITION HAVE INTERFERRED???

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-23/police-to-investigate-thomson/2851754

New South Wales police say they are looking at whether there are grounds for an investigation into allegations levelled against Federal Labor MP Craig Thomson.

Shadow attorney-general George Brandis wrote to NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione yesterday asking for police to look at Mr Thomson's use of a union credit card.

Senator Brandis wrote that Mr Thomson had given implausible explanations on how his Health Services Union credit card had paid for escort services.

Mr Thomson has admitted authorising the payment to an escort service in 2005, but has said another man used the card and forged his signature.

He has consistently denied any wrongdoing.

At this point this was a case where the NSW police had already investigated the matter and found no case to be answered.

The shadow AG asked his Liberal mate to reopen an investigation into this matter primarily because he politically did not like the result of the prior investigation.

This is clear interference into a police matter already concluded aimed at gaining political benifit.

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