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Reasons why ALP cannot possibly win next election
May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am
 
These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

1. The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents.

2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP.

3. Inability to manage the economy as evidenced in the skyrocketing debt and continued borrowing at the rate of $100 million per day. Interest on our debt is a staggering $7 billion a year and climbing.

4. Failed, lethal and extensively rorted stimulus schemes that resulted in deaths, houses burnt to the ground and billions of dollars simply wasted. The effectiveness of these schemes in keeping our country out of recession is debatable.

5. Corruption in the form of interference in the Craig Thomson investigation - why else would such a relatively straightforward investigation take nearly four years?

6. Grubby tactics that are backfiring on a PM paralysed by fear of losing her majority, specifically her failure to act on Thomson or Slipper.

7. A completely disfunctional government that is at war with itself through its various factions.

8. The fact that the ALP is one point off its record all-time lowest polling results and the PM is one of the most unpopular in history.

There are many other reasons, but these are some of the most pressing and high-profile.
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Reply #1 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:20am
 
I think you have only got to look at them to kn ow they have NO HOPE>.

mickey mouse could take them on and win.
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Reply #2 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:21am
 
Come on armchair - wouldn't you love to see the ALP screw this country over even more?

One more term of this ALP government would see Australia absolutely stuffed for the next 30 years at least.

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Reply #3 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:26am
 
We will know sometime in October 2013 but until then they will have to languish with poll figures similar to those of Howards pre Tampa polls.
As for the Greens they are now the only party that supports small business now the Libs, Nats and LNP are owned by a handful of multi billionaires.
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Reply #4 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:30am
 
I am not one for predicting poll timings Adel but you can't say it will definitely run full term.

They have no majority at all.

MP's are not the healthiest or the youngest bunch of people you'll meet. Somebody may fall off the perch.
A result of a by-election is a foregone conclusion - right now Labor would struggle to win a one-ticket raffle.

Also there is growing discontent with Gillard. If they do off her, what will Oakeshott do, I have seen him enough times state his agreement is with her as leader.
That idiot Windsor is so permanently out to lunch he probably wouldn't notice there is a new leader...

I don't know when an election will be, but the Slipper/Thomson scenario shows just how precarious this whole situation is.

For my mind, I just think a new election should be held so we can get a majority Government in - no matter who that is.
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Reply #5 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:33am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:30am:
I am not one for predicting poll timings Adel but you can't say it will definitely run full term.

They have no majority at all.

MP's are not the healthiest or the youngest bunch of people you'll meet. Somebody may fall off the perch.
A result of a by-election is a foregone conclusion - right now Labor would struggle to win a one-ticket raffle.

Also there is growing discontent with Gillard. If they do off her, what will Oakeshott do, I have seen him enough times state his agreement is with her as leader.
That idiot Windsor is so permanently out to lunch he probably wouldn't notice there is a new leader...

I don't know when an election will be, but the Slipper/Thomson scenario shows just how precarious this whole situation is.

For my mind, I just think a new election should be held so we can get a majority Government in - no matter who that is.


Im predicting Oct 2013 unless Julia gets dumped and Rudd calls a snap election before then. They are my two most likely scenarios.
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Reply #6 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:34am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am:
These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

1.      The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents.

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The Previous government won several elections on the back of lies (actual real lies) and paid no electoral price.

there will never ever be a GST under any government I lead, Children were not thrown over board, They did know about Abu Prison, Iraq had no WMD’s (over 100,000 died on that little mistake), They really knew nothing about the AWB (ho ho ho), We are happy with the current IR position and have no plans for substantial change (then we get workchoices), They knew all about what was happing on the waterfront – until a Judge found they had questions to answer on conspiracy (then they all knew nothing) and on and on.

Under the Howard government promises meant absolutly nothing yet they kept winning elections?

Why the change in standards and accountability?

The biggest difference today is that we have a much more honest government but the media is driving for regime change and the opposition is happy to reside in the gutter. 
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Re: Reasons why ALP cannot possibly win next election
Reply #7 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:36am
 
adelcrow wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:33am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:30am:
I am not one for predicting poll timings Adel but you can't say it will definitely run full term.

They have no majority at all.

MP's are not the healthiest or the youngest bunch of people you'll meet. Somebody may fall off the perch.
A result of a by-election is a foregone conclusion - right now Labor would struggle to win a one-ticket raffle.

Also there is growing discontent with Gillard. If they do off her, what will Oakeshott do, I have seen him enough times state his agreement is with her as leader.
That idiot Windsor is so permanently out to lunch he probably wouldn't notice there is a new leader...

I don't know when an election will be, but the Slipper/Thomson scenario shows just how precarious this whole situation is.

For my mind, I just think a new election should be held so we can get a majority Government in - no matter who that is.


Im predicting Oct 2013 unless Julia gets dumped and Rudd calls a snap election before then. They are my two most likely scenarios.


Rudd replace her?
Imagine that?
Have a look at Swan said during that last leadership battle....

What's he gonna say "I think I was mis-quoted there Kev...."
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Reply #8 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:38am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am:
These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:


2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP.




Any yet Tnoy Abott has his foot jammed solidly in the door making sure that they continue to come?

THe best political result the the opposition is to make sure that the boats continue to arrive - Tnoy Abbnott is the people smugglers best friend at the moment.
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Reply #9 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:45am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am:
These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:


4. Failed, lethal and extensively rorted stimulus schemes that resulted in deaths, houses burnt to the ground and billions of dollars simply wasted. The effectiveness of these schemes in keeping our country out of recession is debatable.


The rate of Houses burning was greater under the Howard years; the intense activity in this period identified a series of problems which had been on going for years. The rate of fires substantially reduced in this period.

Virtually all countries who acted late on this went into recession, we are not typically immune to world economic events, if we didn’t go into recession when the rest of the world did there would be a reason with a huge probability it was due to the quick and decisive action taken at the time. To suggest otherwise is simply living in denial.
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Reply #10 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:46am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:36am:
adelcrow wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:33am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:30am:
I am not one for predicting poll timings Adel but you can't say it will definitely run full term.

They have no majority at all.

MP's are not the healthiest or the youngest bunch of people you'll meet. Somebody may fall off the perch.
A result of a by-election is a foregone conclusion - right now Labor would struggle to win a one-ticket raffle.

Also there is growing discontent with Gillard. If they do off her, what will Oakeshott do, I have seen him enough times state his agreement is with her as leader.
That idiot Windsor is so permanently out to lunch he probably wouldn't notice there is a new leader...

I don't know when an election will be, but the Slipper/Thomson scenario shows just how precarious this whole situation is.

For my mind, I just think a new election should be held so we can get a majority Government in - no matter who that is.


Im predicting Oct 2013 unless Julia gets dumped and Rudd calls a snap election before then. They are my two most likely scenarios.


Rudd replace her?
Imagine that?
Have a look at Swan said during that last leadership battle....

What's he gonna say "I think I was mis-quoted there Kev...."


I doubt that Swan would stay as treasurer because Kevin would be relying on calling an election on the day he grabbed the leadership..thats my guess if things dont improve for Julia by the end of the year
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Reply #11 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:47am
 
I am not sure I would be able to stop boats coming, I don't think anyone can - its outside of their control.

What I would do though is implement a policy which makes it less lucrative.

I would do the following -

1) Using the examples shown by France, I would state immediately Australia was going to ignore the UN Refugee article of processing asylum seekers and no longer process any person who is coming from a 3rd country - eg non Indonesians or Malaysians.

2) All people without a valid visa would be terms persona non grata and returned to the point of origin.

3) People smugglers would be termed people traffikers illegally entering Australia and imprisoned without trial for a period of 6 months (on Christmas Island given this will be outside of the legal representation zone).

4) Nobody without a visa would be allowed on the Australian mainland.

5) All visa over-stayers would be removed from Australia.


You cannot be soft on this and France and Israel are two who have shown the UN articles are merely voluntary and not policed.
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Reply #12 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:48am
 
adelcrow wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:46am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:36am:
adelcrow wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:33am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:30am:
I am not one for predicting poll timings Adel but you can't say it will definitely run full term.

They have no majority at all.

MP's are not the healthiest or the youngest bunch of people you'll meet. Somebody may fall off the perch.
A result of a by-election is a foregone conclusion - right now Labor would struggle to win a one-ticket raffle.

Also there is growing discontent with Gillard. If they do off her, what will Oakeshott do, I have seen him enough times state his agreement is with her as leader.
That idiot Windsor is so permanently out to lunch he probably wouldn't notice there is a new leader...

I don't know when an election will be, but the Slipper/Thomson scenario shows just how precarious this whole situation is.

For my mind, I just think a new election should be held so we can get a majority Government in - no matter who that is.


Im predicting Oct 2013 unless Julia gets dumped and Rudd calls a snap election before then. They are my two most likely scenarios.


Rudd replace her?
Imagine that?
Have a look at Swan said during that last leadership battle....

What's he gonna say "I think I was mis-quoted there Kev...."


I doubt that Swan would stay as treasurer because Kevin would be relying on calling an election on the day he grabbed the leadership..thats my guess if things dont improve for Julia by the end of the year


If I remember rightly Swan is right up sh*t creek holding his seat anyway?
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Reply #13 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:49am
 
Dnarever wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:34am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am:
These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

1.      The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents.

.



The Previous government won several elections on the back of lies (actual real lies) and paid no electoral price.

there will never ever be a GST under any government I lead, Children were not thrown over board, They did know about Abu Prison, Iraq had no WMD’s (over 100,000 died on that little mistake), They really knew nothing about the AWB (ho ho ho), We are happy with the current IR position and have no plans for substantial change (then we get workchoices), They knew all about what was happing on the waterfront – until a Judge found they had questions to answer on conspiracy (then they all knew nothing) and on and on.

Under the Howard government promises meant absolutly nothing yet they kept winning elections?

Why the change in standards and accountability?

The biggest difference today is that we have a much more honest government but the media is driving for regime change and the opposition is happy to reside in the gutter. 


Howard went to an election very clearly promising a GST would be introduced if re-elected, whereas the ALP ran a campaign against it - and lost. Gillard went to an election promising no carbon tax under a government she lead and then proceeded to break her promise almost immediately.

That you people of the Left are unable to comprehend the inherently simple nature of these fact that I have spelt out for you in plain English clearly demonstrates how desperate and just bat-poo crazy you are when you continue to trot out the lie that Howard promised not to introduce a GST. Your argument is weaker than wet paper, but it still makes me laugh every time you attempt to make it look like Howard lied about the GST!  Grin
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Reply #14 - May 5th, 2012 at 10:50am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:47am:
I am not sure I would be able to stop boats coming, I don't think anyone can - its outside of their control.

What I would do though is implement a policy which makes it less lucrative.

I would do the following -

1) Using the examples shown by France, I would state immediately Australia was going to ignore the UN Refugee article of processing asylum seekers and no longer process any person who is coming from a 3rd country - eg non Indonesians or Malaysians.

2) All people without a valid visa would be terms persona non grata and returned to the point of origin.

3) People smugglers would be termed people traffikers illegally entering Australia and imprisoned without trial for a period of 6 months (on Christmas Island given this will be outside of the legal representation zone).

4) Nobody without a visa would be allowed on the Australian mainland.

5) All visa over-stayers would be removed from Australia.


You cannot be soft on this and France and Israel are two who have shown the UN articles are merely voluntary and not policed.


Howard did - he had a policy that was immensely successful at stopping the boats. We now regularly see more boats arrive in a month under Gillard than we did during the entire period of Howard's policy.
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