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Reply #15 - May 4^th, 2012 at 10:40am

I wasn't talking about the win predicted, I was talking about the fact people were predicting a slaughtering.

A lot (myself included) were suspicious it could end up that bad but it did.
Labor lost party status in QLD and only kept it because of the good grace of their opponents.
They can't even raise a cricket team with their MP numbers now.

So people who say "It won't be as bad", said that for NSW and QLD and look what happened.

Like I said, Tony Abbott has not actually needed to really do anything.
This is all self inflicted.

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Reply #16 - May 4^th, 2012 at 10:46am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

I wasn't talking about the win predicted, I was talking about the fact people were predicting a slaughtering.

A lot (myself included) were suspicious it could end up that bad but it did.
Labor lost party status in QLD and only kept it because of the good grace of their opponents.
They can't even raise a cricket team with their MP numbers now.

So people who say "It won't be as bad", said that for NSW and QLD and look what happened.

Like I said, Tony Abbott has not actually needed to really do anything.
This is all self inflicted.

And this will be the hard right's undoing.

The Liberals have no mandate

The Liberal do not deserve control of both houses so to push through work choices and nuclear reactors in everyone's backyard and lifting the age for age pensions etc etc

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Reply #18 - May 4^th, 2012 at 11:00am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

The Greens -

1) Want to reduce coal exports for Australia - despite it being very profitable

Is that true. Because, as you are well aware I'm sure, a lot of green initiatives in NSW alone could be acheived by reducing the tax payer subsidies to coal power generation (leaving export alone).

For example, coal gets (or was getting a year back) around $120 / tonne export. Our NSW government however is subsidising coal to our power generators by as much as $80 / tonne. Meaning they only pay $30/ tonne. This has the impact that the NSW government (who owns the mine providing the coal to these power stations) is losing $80/tonne it produces, or $4b over an extended period. $4b that could build roads, hospitals, 2nd airport, etc, etc.

It also means coal powered power stations are subsidised more any any renewable or nuclear. These alternate power supplies will never get a chance to be cost competitive, no matter how high the carbon tax is.

I'm happy for NSW to subsides power costs, but not to pick which form of generation to subsidise. That flies in the face of all market-driven economic models. Remove subsidies for coal, sell at the market rate, and subsidize people at the electrical consumer end of the chain. Then let the way that electicity is generated be driven by the market.

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Reply #19 - May 4^th, 2012 at 11:18am

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 10:46am:

And this will be the hard right's undoing.

The Liberals have no mandate

The Liberal do not deserve control of both houses so to push through work choices and nuclear reactors in everyone's backyard and lifting the age for age pensions etc etc

Exactly. Lieberals have no policy, no idea. Their leader is a wrecking ball without a brain. All the attributes of a weather vane without the intelligence of one. Come an election, this will be made clear as day.

That's why Tony needs to go. Only then will we get an effective opposition and, more importantly, a credible alternative government.

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Reply #20 - May 4^th, 2012 at 11:21am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 10:49am:

Like I said woody - I grew up and within a 50 mile radius there were -

Hinckley Point
Berkeley
Oldland

All producing low emissions power for the region.
Tell me what was wrong with that?
I would have thought you would like the fact we had reactors proving our energy with little damage to the air?

Cyclical argument. I have shown on other threads that children living near reactors have higher cancer risks.

You continue the same argument in denial.

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Reply #22 - May 4^th, 2012 at 5:11pm

Johnsmith wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 10:30am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 9:55am:

I don't think anyone is even disputing the election result coming up anymore.

It was expected in NSW and happened.
It was expected in QLD and happened.
It's expected federally - its a brave man, or an absolute idiot, who would say it won't happen.

Thing is, Tony Abbott hasn't actually needed to do anything for it either.
This Government have committed political suicide right in front of our eyes - they alone are responsible for their utter appalling popularity.

It happened ..... eventually ... The ALP was predicted to loose both these states at the last 3 elections , and only lost the last one.... when will the libs learn, no matter what the polling, if you don't present an alternative, you won't win , just telling everyone how crap the opposition is isn't going to win you an election... did they learn nothing from 20 yrs in exile in state politics?

ah... the words of an idiot in denial.

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Reply #24 - May 4^th, 2012 at 5:38pm

Gist wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 5:11pm:

ah... the words of an idiot in denial.

Seems to be the case, yes.

NO ONE believes labor can win the next election other than fools. they are too far behind. An election today could deliver a 90-100 seat majority for Abbott. with a massive turnaround labor might drop it to 40.

Big deal.

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Reply #25 - May 4^th, 2012 at 5:45pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

NO ONE believes labor can win the next election other than fools. they are too far behind. An election today could deliver a 90-100 seat majority for Abbott. with a massive turnaround labor might drop it to 40.

Big deal.

Maybe yes, maybe no. Thing is there won't be an election today. Or tomorrow. Or June! And only a moron would predict what the election result will be in 18 months time.

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Reply #26 - May 4^th, 2012 at 5:52pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

Gist wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 5:11pm:

ah... the words of an idiot in denial.

Seems to be the case, yes.

NO ONE believes labor can win the next election other than fools. they are too far behind. An election today could deliver a 90-100 seat majority for Abbott. with a massive turnaround labor might drop it to 40.

Big deal.

I cant see them getting the faithful back between now and the election.. which isnt a good thing I dont think..got to give Abbott his due he has been very strong in his criticism of the govt, they have just got so much wrong.

if the Principal of the Local High School was acting like this.. the parents would be up in arms.. yet here we are having to put up with this shambles.

she went to the footy.she was on Celebrity Apprentice.. she was on Junior Masterchef..

sorry but when is she appearing on "Lets make a Deal"??.. she should win that one.

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Reply #27 - May 4^th, 2012 at 5:53pm

Gist wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 5:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

NO ONE believes labor can win the next election other than fools. they are too far behind. An election today could deliver a 90-100 seat majority for Abbott. with a massive turnaround labor might drop it to 40.

Big deal.

Maybe yes, maybe no. Thing is there won't be an election today. Or tomorrow. Or June! And only a moron would predict what the election result will be in 18 months time.

a govt that currently sits on a majority of arguably ZERO (Wilkie voting with Abbott) i hardly they type of govt that can be asured of continuing in power. Already today there has been Oakeshoot saying that if Gillard is removed all bets are off. (Is he in love with her or something?)

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Reply #29 - May 4^th, 2012 at 6:41pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 5:53pm:

a govt that currently sits on a majority of arguably ZERO (Wilkie voting with Abbott) i hardly they type of govt that can be asured of continuing in power. Already today there has been Oakeshoot saying that if Gillard is removed all bets are off. (Is he in love with her or something?)

blah blah blah

You've been making the same dire prediction for 18 months now. That's 18 months of WRONG! They weren't going to last 3 months 18 months ago. What happened???

I guess we'll have to put up with it for another 18. Roll Eyes

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