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Reply #15 - May 4^th, 2012 at 9:58am

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progressiveslol wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 9:43am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 9:27am:

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progressiveslol wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 9:17am:

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 9:15am:

Priority, which is more important for Australia

A modern fleet of Subs for over $40 billion

or a modern National Broadband for around the same price.

If one had to be cut back, which one would you like to see cut and why?

$10billion from the subs and $20billion from the NBN

Then $30billion for food production infrastructure.

Why the disproportion towards the Subs. What do they bring to the Australian economy.

I don't know about you, but given that we are a land-locked country the Navy has an extremely important role to play in keeping our country secure and at present, of the six Collins Class submarines, only one at any time is able to be at sea. This is not good enough. While the chances of a confrontation with another country are low, that doesn't mean we should become complacent about our national security either.

Is this why we are unable to keep illegal Japanese Whalers out of our waters.

Because we have to use subs, not spy planes or boats.

If we are spending $40 billion on subs, will we defend our antarctic region from China and others when the mineral sector force LibLab to support mining after 2020?

We dont use our war machines for greens ideology. Thank goodness the greens will never be in power.

Protecting Australian water from illegal activity is now green ideology.

How about coastal drug running, do the right want to class this as green ideology too?

Dont be a fool. You said whales, not drugs. In any event, it should be coast guard activity, not war machines.

How do you know if this year the illegal Japan whaling fleet don't use the earthquake repair funding to finance and shift to illegal drug running to fund.

Since the old parties don't want to watch, why wouldn't an illegal business diversify to finance another illegal industry.

Coast guard. Hard of reading (hearing)

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: SUBs Verses NBN Reply #16 - May 4^th, 2012 at 9:59am Yep submarines for me. Always spend on defence. Always. At the end of the day when things go to sh*t, you want to be able to rely on your own capabilities to wage war and not the good friendship with others. That is how empires fell.
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Reply #17 - May 4^th, 2012 at 9:59am

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 9:55am:

How do you know if this year the illegal Japan whaling fleet don't use the earthquake repair funding to finance and shift to illegal drug running to fund.

Since the old parties don't want to watch, why wouldn't an illegal business diversify to finance another illegal industry.

You ate two big bowls of stupid this morning didn't you?

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Reply #18 - May 4^th, 2012 at 10:12am

Subs are only for keeping the Yanks Foreign Policy toward picking a fight with our largest trading partner.

By Australia selling uranium for nuke missiles in India, Yank bases in Northern Australia, Yanks dictating how Australia votes in the UN and now spending $40,000,000,000 of our taxes on subs so to provoke China more is just to disrupt Australia and China moving closer together.

America has to make China a boggy man and the old parties are so use to not thinking to realise that they are being used as pawns, pawns easily sacrificed.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: SUBs Verses NBN Reply #19 - May 4^th, 2012 at 10:14am Ah yes the good old Sea Shepherd watching the whalers eh? You know when you have a non-violent pro-environment organisation like Greenpeace releasing a statement criticising your behaviour and calling it 'incredibly dangerous and reprehensible' that you are not a sane group of people.
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Reply #20 - May 4^th, 2012 at 10:39am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 9:59am:

Yep submarines for me.

Always spend on defence.

Always.
At the end of the day when things go to sh*t, you want to be able to rely on your own capabilities to wage war and not the good friendship with others.

That is how empires fell.

I can see how it would concern you living in the USA and with England as your homeland .... but In good old OZ we're not about to get invaded by anybody anytime soon. We however, going to left so far behind the 8 ball technologically that if we don't catch up with the rest of the world soon, we run the danger of becoming another USA .... a has been.

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Reply #21 - May 4^th, 2012 at 10:43am

Johnsmith wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 10:39am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 9:59am:

Yep submarines for me.

Always spend on defence.

Always.
At the end of the day when things go to sh*t, you want to be able to rely on your own capabilities to wage war and not the good friendship with others.

That is how empires fell.

I can see how it would concern you living in the USA and with England as your homeland .... but In good old OZ we're not about to get invaded by anybody anytime soon. We however, going to left so far behind the 8 ball technologically that if we don't catch up with the rest of the world soon, we run the danger of becoming another USA .... a has been.

Didn't Darwin get totally shelled by the Japs?
I don't think that was expected either.

By the way, take a look at your neighbours.

One thing I thought when I lived in Australia was that having Indonesia as neighbours all of a suddent for me made me think that having the French next door didnt seem so bad.....

Your neighbours are countries made up of millions of Muslims - with extremists in their midst - and a history of murdering innocents.

Like I said, we don't have that with France.

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Reply #22 - May 4^th, 2012 at 10:56am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 10:43am:

Johnsmith wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 10:39am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 9:59am:

Yep submarines for me.

Always spend on defence.

Always.
At the end of the day when things go to sh*t, you want to be able to rely on your own capabilities to wage war and not the good friendship with others.

That is how empires fell.

I can see how it would concern you living in the USA and with England as your homeland .... but In good old OZ we're not about to get invaded by anybody anytime soon. We however, going to left so far behind the 8 ball technologically that if we don't catch up with the rest of the world soon, we run the danger of becoming another USA .... a has been.

Didn't Darwin get totally shelled by the Japs?
I don't think that was expected either.

By the way, take a look at your neighbours.

One thing I thought when I lived in Australia was that having Indonesia as neighbours all of a suddent for me made me think that having the French next door didnt seem so bad.....

Your neighbours are countries made up of millions of Muslims - with extremists in their midst - and a history of murdering innocents.

Like I said, we don't have that with France.

Darwin got shelled by Japan because we were fighting with the good old USA. Besides, we didn't have any subs then either.... and we did OK ... subs aren't a real lot of use against an aerial attack now are they

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Reply #23 - May 4^th, 2012 at 10:58am

Johnsmith wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 10:43am:

Johnsmith wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 10:39am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 9:59am:

Yep submarines for me.

Always spend on defence.

Always.
At the end of the day when things go to sh*t, you want to be able to rely on your own capabilities to wage war and not the good friendship with others.

That is how empires fell.

I can see how it would concern you living in the USA and with England as your homeland .... but In good old OZ we're not about to get invaded by anybody anytime soon. We however, going to left so far behind the 8 ball technologically that if we don't catch up with the rest of the world soon, we run the danger of becoming another USA .... a has been.

Didn't Darwin get totally shelled by the Japs?
I don't think that was expected either.

By the way, take a look at your neighbours.

One thing I thought when I lived in Australia was that having Indonesia as neighbours all of a suddent for me made me think that having the French next door didnt seem so bad.....

Your neighbours are countries made up of millions of Muslims - with extremists in their midst - and a history of murdering innocents.

Like I said, we don't have that with France.

Darwin got shelled by Japan because we were fighting with the good old USA. Besides, we didn't have any subs then either.... and we did OK ... subs aren't a real lot of use against an aerial attack now are they

No but subs are good counter attacking measures.
Did the planes fly all the way from Tokyo or did they take off from aircraft carriers?

You'll find subs aren't too bad for taking them on....

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: SUBs Verses NBN Reply #24 - May 4^th, 2012 at 10:59am You'll also find Australia was fighting not with the USA, but the free world..... Ask the people of Nanjing whether the Japs were decent people...
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Reply #25 - May 4^th, 2012 at 11:02am

We can't afford enough subs to defend our waters. With our limited budget and large territory more speedy aircraft would make sense. Our subs will be as potent as Japanese mini subs compared to real navies. That applies to every pathetic tokenistic force we have put forward since world war 2 though, good for brown nosing America though.

Any single submarine short of a nuclear launch platform is kind of irrelevant alone.

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Reply #26 - May 4^th, 2012 at 11:04am

Johnsmith wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Darwin got shelled by Japan because we were fighting with the good old USA. Besides, we didn't have any subs then either.... and we did OK ... subs aren't a real lot of use against an aerial attack now are they

History and facts not one of your strong point, hey?

We were fighting the japs long before the US entered the war, the jap invasion plans were based on imperial expansionism, not who happened to be our allies at the time.

If you are totally devoid of knowledge in a given subject, might I suggest not posting any replies.

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Reply #27 - May 4^th, 2012 at 11:06am

Submarines have their place.

I truly like the fact that in Britain, our submarines carry our nuclear capability.

It means we can deliver medium range nuclear weapons attack to any part of the globe and also the risk of our nuclear capability being attacked is reduced because its mobile.

For example Moscow could attack us in Britain but we could still deliver a nuclear response because it'll be coming out of the North Sea.

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Reply #28 - May 4^th, 2012 at 11:06am

BigOl64 wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

Johnsmith wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Darwin got shelled by Japan because we were fighting with the good old USA. Besides, we didn't have any subs then either.... and we did OK ... subs aren't a real lot of use against an aerial attack now are they

History and facts not one of your strong point, hey?

We were fighting the japs long before the US entered the war, the jap invasion plans were based on imperial expansionism, not who happened to be our allies at the time.

If you are totally devoid of knowledge in a given subject, might I suggest not posting any replies.

might I suggest you go and bugger yourself?

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Reply #29 - May 4^th, 2012 at 11:09am

Johnsmith wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 11:06am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

Johnsmith wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Darwin got shelled by Japan because we were fighting with the good old USA. Besides, we didn't have any subs then either.... and we did OK ... subs aren't a real lot of use against an aerial attack now are they

History and facts not one of your strong point, hey?

We were fighting the japs long before the US entered the war, the jap invasion plans were based on imperial expansionism, not who happened to be our allies at the time.

If you are totally devoid of knowledge in a given subject, might I suggest not posting any replies.

might I suggest you go and bugger yourself?

Maybe you should not write utter crap and then expect people to let it slide, that way you won't have to resort to personal insults.

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