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Reply #15 - May 2nd, 2012 at 7:05pm
 
____ wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 5:18pm:
progressiveslol wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 5:14pm:
It is now a crime to speak to someone according to green loser.




Have a drink with, and then he took the young gay guy's mobile number ... and then texted the young gay guy.

Then lie about it.

Why did Pyne lie.

What is Pyne/Abbott hiding?


Did Pyne lie? What was a lie? I am not aware of all of the facts in this case.
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Reply #16 - May 2nd, 2012 at 7:06pm
 
Gist wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 6:42pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 4:55pm:
This is idiocy from the Left at its best. Think about it - Gillard has Labor at nearly all-time lows in the polls. There is no way Labor wins the next election and no guarantee they even survive until the next election is scheduled for next year. So why on Earth would Abbott/Pyne risk something like this blowing up in their faces? They wouldn't because they don't need to resort to the sort of dirty tricks that Labor has used time and time again.


Because they are STOO-PID that's why. At least Abbott is. And they KNOW (unlike you idiots on the conga line) that there is a long time to the next election and NOTHING is guaranteed so they're willing to push it to get the result they want.

Only morons and hacks think the election is in the bag. Which one are you?


Be sensible, mate. You're in no position to talk if you think that Labor has any chance in hell of winning the next election.
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Reply #17 - May 2nd, 2012 at 7:21pm
 
Despite Mr Pyne saying yesterday that he could not remember asking for Mr Ashby's contact details after the meeting - which occurred a month before Mr Ashby lodged legal action against Mr Slipper claiming sexual harassment - Fairfax has been shown an email and a text message sent by Mr Pyne minutes after the session ended, requesting the details.

The request went to another staffer in Mr Slipper's office. According to a return email, Mr Pyne received Mr Ashby's email address at 11.02pm on March 19. This was one minute after he sent his request.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/government-claims-coverup-in-sli...

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Reply #18 - May 2nd, 2012 at 7:31pm
 
john_g wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 7:06pm:
Be sensible, mate. You're in no position to talk if you think that Labor has any chance in hell of winning the next election.


So which option did you chose?  Cheesy Cheesy

Maybe you would care to go back to that post and read what I added in the edit. It'll help explain it better to any who find themselves neuron embarrassed. Of course, the Lieberal hacks will just ignore it.
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Reply #19 - May 2nd, 2012 at 7:33pm
 
Nah, buggrit, I'll just quote it here in full. I know there are those here who wouldn't be able to go find the post if their lives depended on it. I've even highlighted the add-on:

Gist wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 6:42pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 4:55pm:
This is idiocy from the Left at its best. Think about it - Gillard has Labor at nearly all-time lows in the polls. There is no way Labor wins the next election and no guarantee they even survive until the next election is scheduled for next year. So why on Earth would Abbott/Pyne risk something like this blowing up in their faces? They wouldn't because they don't need to resort to the sort of dirty tricks that Labor has used time and time again.


Because they are STOO-PID that's why. At least Abbott is. And they KNOW (unlike you idiots on the conga line) that there is a long time to the next election and NOTHING is guaranteed so they're willing to push it to get the result they want.

Only morons and hacks think the election is in the bag. Which one are you?

EDIT: Whoops! Got carried away by dinner and almost forgot the most important reason why!

The most important reason is because it was Pyne's idea, not Abbott's (although Phony Tony definitely approved it). Why would Pyne do that? Because he is afraid.

He is afraid that Gillard is about to be booted out. And he knows that the only reason Lieberals are doing OK in the polls is because of her leadership. As soon as she's out then as far as the public is concerned, Abbott and the Lieberals will stink worse than yesterdays larks vomit on a hot day. They'll be history.

THEN the Lieberals will have to go through the pain of finding their own leader. Someone who can actually come up with a plan. Not to mention a policy. They'll be going through their own blood-on-the-carpet soap opera and the clock will be ticking to the next election.

I bet if you were a fly on the wall in Pyne's place, you'd find he's not sleeping much at night and stinks of fear.

That's why.

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Reply #20 - May 2nd, 2012 at 7:35pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 4:55pm:
skippy. wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 4:52pm:
FriYAY wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 4:48pm:
skippy. wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 4:42pm:
This story is about to explode,IN ABBOTTS FACE, Abbott knew about this and lied last week when he said he didn't.
. Grin Grin Grin


As a wise roo once said....

"But, if you insist what you say is true, post up your evidence."

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Not that I give flying about any of this, Thompson/Slipper/Pyne.

All it shows is how far down the drain Australian politics is.

You can guarantee the evidence will surface,and when it does Abbott could well be gone over it. Abbott is a lot of things, but smart isn't one of them, he doesn't cover his tracks very well, as is already evident now Pyne has been busted.
This had the stench of a set up from day one, now its being exposed.


This is idiocy from the Left at its best. Think about it - Gillard has Labor at nearly all-time lows in the polls. There is no way Labor wins the next election and no guarantee they even survive until the next election is scheduled for next year. So why on Earth would Abbott/Pyne risk something like this blowing up in their faces? They wouldn't because they don't need to resort to the sort of dirty tricks that Labor has used time and time again.


Then please explain why Pyne has suddenly changed his story. Why would he do that, if what you say is true?
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Reply #21 - May 2nd, 2012 at 7:44pm
 
john_g wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 4:55pm:
IF this was a set-up, how does it excuse, or make any better, what Slipper did?




The critical factor in the defense of
entrapment
is that the person would not have committed the crime but for the actions of the government, in other words that the person was *otherwise unwilling*. That is to say, if the actions of the government were the critical factor which converted an otherwise uninterested person into a criminal, then it will be entrapment. But if the government merely provides the opportunity for a person to act on their own criminal intentions, then it is not entrapment.

A good example is the use of bait cars by some urban police departments, which will park an ordinary looking car by the side of the street and keep it under surveillance. When a person hot-wires the car and tries to drive off, they cut the ignition by remote control and move in. Courts have ruled this procedure is not entrapment. Since the bait car was parked in an ordinary way, such that it did not stand out from other cars, it is clear that any person who tried to steal it was already intent on stealing a car, and that notion was not planted in their minds by anything the police department had done.

On the other hand, if the police department had left the car with the windows open, the doors unlocked, and the keys hanging out of the driver's-side door with a sign that said "be back tomorrow", a situation would be created whereby the notion of stealing the car might be implanted into the mind of a person who otherwise might never have stolen a car. Such a case would be entrapment.




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Reply #22 - May 2nd, 2012 at 9:55pm
 
____ wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 7:21pm:
Despite Mr Pyne saying yesterday that he could not remember asking for Mr Ashby's contact details after the meeting - which occurred a month before Mr Ashby lodged legal action against Mr Slipper claiming sexual harassment - Fairfax has been shown an email and a text message sent by Mr Pyne minutes after the session ended, requesting the details.

The request went to another staffer in Mr Slipper's office. According to a return email, Mr Pyne received Mr Ashby's email address at 11.02pm on March 19. This was one minute after he sent his request.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/government-claims-coverup-in-sli...



We are a cynical lot. Here is a poll from the same source.

Poll: Do you believe the Coalition has assisted former Slipper staffer James Ashby?

Yes. 73%
No. 19%
I don't know. 8%
Total votes: 13791.

Disclaimer: These polls are not scientific and reflect the opinion only of visitors who have chosen to participate.

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Reply #23 - May 3rd, 2012 at 8:18am
 
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One of the texts said that Ashby couldn't go on Sydney cruises because he didn't accept Slipper's advances.

I read that text,and that is not what it said. I agree, It may allude to that, but it doesn't say "you can not come on a cruise because you wont sleep with me" if you think that is going to get Slipper convicted you are going to be very disappointed. If that's the best Ashby has he best give up now and save his money.
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Reply #24 - May 3rd, 2012 at 10:06am
 
skippy. wrote on May 3rd, 2012 at 8:18am:
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One of the texts said that Ashby couldn't go on Sydney cruises because he didn't accept Slipper's advances.

I read that text,and that is not what it said. I agree, It may allude to that, but it doesn't say "you can not come on a cruise because you wont sleep with me" if you think that is going to get Slipper convicted you are going to be very disappointed. If that's the best Ashby has he best give up now and save his money.


I am sure that it's not his best, otherwise there would be no case. You're right, it doesn't say that explicitly, but it's obviously the implied meaning. I want Slipper to be charged if he is gulty. He looks as guilty as sin to me. The texts do heavily imply that he was sexually attracted to Ashby. Whether it became harassment or not, we'll know on May 21.
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