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Uncle Meat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2434 Tasmania Gender:	Re: Voters want early election Reply #60 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:41pm red baron wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:39pm: Not going to stop a Federal Election coming on soon though. Yep, 18 months will pass by pretty quick.
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Reply #61 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:42pm

red baron wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:39pm:

All the Lefties voting their little hearts out god bless 'em.

Not going to stop a Federal Election coming on soon though.

This is fantasy and out there the jungle drums are banging for an Election. Cool

The average punter hates elections..only nerds that vote in online polls or rusted on voters that don't tell pollsters to get stuffed when they interrupt their dinner give a toss.

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Reply #62 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:43pm

borntorule wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

I still want Abbott to finish the term off as the minority PM and see what every one thinks of him then.

and you dont think that his FIRST act as minority PM will be to call an early election? of course he will! What does he have to lose? He can only win the election by a landslide and while he wont get control of the senate, he can close the gap. In the meantime the ALP can work out what to do about the Carbon Tax Repeal act when it comes to them in the senate. Pass it like honourable senators submitting to an unequivocal mandate or reject it and go to a DD and lose a couple of them and still watch the CT be repealed.

Interesting days if you are a liberal. Not so much fun if you are silly enough to support the red team.

No the whole point is i want to see how he handles minority government and the spotlight of one seat. He has already lost slipper to the party. He would wilt.

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Reply #63 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:45pm

borntorule wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

I still want Abbott to finish the term off as the minority PM and see what every one thinks of him then.

and you dont think that his FIRST act as minority PM will be to call an early election? of course he will! What does he have to lose? He can only win the election by a landslide and while he wont get control of the senate, he can close the gap. In the meantime the ALP can work out what to do about the Carbon Tax Repeal act when it comes to them in the senate. Pass it like honourable senators submitting to an unequivocal mandate or reject it and go to a DD and lose a couple of them and still watch the CT be repealed.

Interesting days if you are a liberal. Not so much fun if you are silly enough to support the red team.

No the whole point is i want to see how he handles minority government and the spotlight of one seat. He has already lost slipper to the party. He would wilt.

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Reply #64 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:46pm

adelcrow wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:35pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

I still want Abbott to finish the term off as the minority PM and see what every one thinks of him then.

As long as he can do it without aligning with the greens, then sure. Otherwise, go to an election. Tell you the truth though, I have had enough of this experiment of a lame duck PM from the start, sucking up to the minorities.

Abbott would have had to deal with the Greens in the Senate just as Julia has and if he wins the next election he will also have to deal with a hostile Senate.
He can have as many DD elections he likes until he loses power but it wont change the facts.

The hostile senate is hardly a new experience since only 3 post-war parliaments have had control of both houses. Most government learn to work with them and most senators learn to use their power a little more responsibly. The Greens however are quite different. They dont believe in negotiation or compromise or frankly, anything but their own agenda. The history of elections is that voters have a habit of removing genuinely obstructionist senators. The Greens act this way at their own peril.

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Reply #65 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:47pm

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:45pm:

borntorule wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

I still want Abbott to finish the term off as the minority PM and see what every one thinks of him then.

and you dont think that his FIRST act as minority PM will be to call an early election? of course he will! What does he have to lose? He can only win the election by a landslide and while he wont get control of the senate, he can close the gap. In the meantime the ALP can work out what to do about the Carbon Tax Repeal act when it comes to them in the senate. Pass it like honourable senators submitting to an unequivocal mandate or reject it and go to a DD and lose a couple of them and still watch the CT be repealed.

Interesting days if you are a liberal. Not so much fun if you are silly enough to support the red team.

No the whole point is i want to see how he handles minority government and the spotlight of one seat. He has already lost slipper to the party. He would wilt.

He isnt stupid enough to try. Why would you choose to work in a minority govt when you could choose a large majority? He will go for a new election and reap the rewards.

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Reply #66 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:50pm

borntorule wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:46pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:35pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

I still want Abbott to finish the term off as the minority PM and see what every one thinks of him then.

As long as he can do it without aligning with the greens, then sure. Otherwise, go to an election. Tell you the truth though, I have had enough of this experiment of a lame duck PM from the start, sucking up to the minorities.

Abbott would have had to deal with the Greens in the Senate just as Julia has and if he wins the next election he will also have to deal with a hostile Senate.
He can have as many DD elections he likes until he loses power but it wont change the facts.

The hostile senate is hardly a new experience since only 3 post-war parliaments have had control of both houses. Most government learn to work with them and most senators learn to use their power a little more responsibly. The Greens however are quite different. They dont believe in negotiation or compromise or frankly, anything but their own agenda. The history of elections is that voters have a habit of removing genuinely obstructionist senators. The Greens act this way at their own peril.

Oh so that position would also have to stand for the liberal and national parties as well. They hold a hell of a lot more seats that the Green. Don't use weak excuses it makes you look silly.

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Reply #67 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:52pm

borntorule wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:45pm:

borntorule wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

I still want Abbott to finish the term off as the minority PM and see what every one thinks of him then.

and you dont think that his FIRST act as minority PM will be to call an early election? of course he will! What does he have to lose? He can only win the election by a landslide and while he wont get control of the senate, he can close the gap. In the meantime the ALP can work out what to do about the Carbon Tax Repeal act when it comes to them in the senate. Pass it like honourable senators submitting to an unequivocal mandate or reject it and go to a DD and lose a couple of them and still watch the CT be repealed.

Interesting days if you are a liberal. Not so much fun if you are silly enough to support the red team.

No the whole point is i want to see how he handles minority government and the spotlight of one seat. He has already lost slipper to the party. He would wilt.

He isnt stupid enough to try. Why would you choose to work in a minority govt when you could choose a large majority? He will go for a new election and reap the rewards.

He desperately wanted to after the last election and has behaved like a spoilt brat that got told no ever since. If he does not have the courage then he is not up to the job.

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Reply #68 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:52pm

The vast majority of Australians don't give a toss and if they were not forced to vote at the next election both major parties would be lucky to get a handful of votes between them
To say voters want an early election is rubbish because most voters hate Julia and Tony and think they are both incompetent.
The only reason anyone is going to vote at the next election is because they are forced to.

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Reply #69 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:56pm

adelcrow wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

The vast majority of Australians don't give a toss and if they were not forced to vote at the next election both major parties would be lucky to get a handful of votes between them
To say voters want an early election is rubbish because most voters hate both Julia and Tony and think they are both incompetent.
The only reason anyone is going to vote at the next election is because they are forced to.

And the only reason they will vote liberal is because they were forced to lol Grin

. Of course most care and they care because they may as well because they are forced to be there anyway.

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Reply #70 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:58pm

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:56pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

The vast majority of Australians don't give a toss and if they were not forced to vote at the next election both major parties would be lucky to get a handful of votes between them
To say voters want an early election is rubbish because most voters hate both Julia and Tony and think they are both incompetent.
The only reason anyone is going to vote at the next election is because they are forced to.

And the only reason they will vote liberal is because they were forced to lol Grin

. Of course most care and they care because they may as well because they are forced to be there anyway.

Make voting optional and see how many people turn up at any election

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Reply #71 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:58pm

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

borntorule wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:46pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:35pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

I still want Abbott to finish the term off as the minority PM and see what every one thinks of him then.

As long as he can do it without aligning with the greens, then sure. Otherwise, go to an election. Tell you the truth though, I have had enough of this experiment of a lame duck PM from the start, sucking up to the minorities.

Abbott would have had to deal with the Greens in the Senate just as Julia has and if he wins the next election he will also have to deal with a hostile Senate.
He can have as many DD elections he likes until he loses power but it wont change the facts.

The hostile senate is hardly a new experience since only 3 post-war parliaments have had control of both houses. Most government learn to work with them and most senators learn to use their power a little more responsibly. The Greens however are quite different. They dont believe in negotiation or compromise or frankly, anything but their own agenda. The history of elections is that voters have a habit of removing genuinely obstructionist senators. The Greens act this way at their own peril.

Oh so that position would also have to stand for the liberal and national parties as well. They hold a hell of a lot more seats that the Green. Don't use weak excuses it makes you look silly.

There is a considerable difference between HOSTILE and OBSTRUCTIONIST. in a hostile senate the govt has to negotiate with the other party to get their vote and usually can but even in this case, cant always get their own way. govts of both persuasions have had wholesale rejection of legislation by the senate. OBSTRUCTIONIST is a different concept where the senate votes against proposals without any regard for whether they are good or not but according to their own ideology. The libs supporting the removal of WorkChoices was an example of a NON-obstructionist senate voting against their own wishes but out of respect for a clear mandate.

Politics is an adversarial game. it is played in a hostile environment and always has been. That is fine. It is when it becomes obstructionist that the real problems occur.

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Reply #72 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 7:00pm

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

borntorule wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:45pm:

borntorule wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

I still want Abbott to finish the term off as the minority PM and see what every one thinks of him then.

and you dont think that his FIRST act as minority PM will be to call an early election? of course he will! What does he have to lose? He can only win the election by a landslide and while he wont get control of the senate, he can close the gap. In the meantime the ALP can work out what to do about the Carbon Tax Repeal act when it comes to them in the senate. Pass it like honourable senators submitting to an unequivocal mandate or reject it and go to a DD and lose a couple of them and still watch the CT be repealed.

Interesting days if you are a liberal. Not so much fun if you are silly enough to support the red team.

No the whole point is i want to see how he handles minority government and the spotlight of one seat. He has already lost slipper to the party. He would wilt.

He isnt stupid enough to try. Why would you choose to work in a minority govt when you could choose a large majority? He will go for a new election and reap the rewards.

He desperately wanted to after the last election and has behaved like a spoilt brat that got told no ever since. If he does not have the courage then he is not up to the job.

Abbott is probably thrilled he didnt get the job as minority PM. It has destroyed Gillard and will cost Labor the next 3 elections or more. All he had to do was sit and wait for Labor to self-destruct. And they did.

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Reply #73 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 7:02pm

adelcrow wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

The vast majority of Australians don't give a toss and if they were not forced to vote at the next election both major parties would be lucky to get a handful of votes between them
To say voters want an early election is rubbish because most voters hate Julia and Tony and think they are both incompetent.
The only reason anyone is going to vote at the next election is because they are forced to.

Wow, that sounds like the sore-loser argument you would hear in a play ground. Actually, it is pretty much EXACTLY that. Voluntary voting might give only a 75% turnout, but that still wouldnt save labor. it might in fact make it worse according to some analysts who have claimed that the traditional low-income groups that overwhelmingly vote labor are also the least politically engaged.

Anyhow, I support compulsory voting. its hardly a huge obligation on anyone.

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Reply #74 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 7:13pm

borntorule wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 7:00pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

borntorule wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:45pm:

borntorule wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

I still want Abbott to finish the term off as the minority PM and see what every one thinks of him then.

and you dont think that his FIRST act as minority PM will be to call an early election? of course he will! What does he have to lose? He can only win the election by a landslide and while he wont get control of the senate, he can close the gap. In the meantime the ALP can work out what to do about the Carbon Tax Repeal act when it comes to them in the senate. Pass it like honourable senators submitting to an unequivocal mandate or reject it and go to a DD and lose a couple of them and still watch the CT be repealed.

Interesting days if you are a liberal. Not so much fun if you are silly enough to support the red team.

No the whole point is i want to see how he handles minority government and the spotlight of one seat. He has already lost slipper to the party. He would wilt.

He isnt stupid enough to try. Why would you choose to work in a minority govt when you could choose a large majority? He will go for a new election and reap the rewards.

He desperately wanted to after the last election and has behaved like a spoilt brat that got told no ever since. If he does not have the courage then he is not up to the job.

Abbott is probably thrilled he didnt get the job as minority PM. It has destroyed Gillard and will cost Labor the next 3 elections or more. All he had to do was sit and wait for Labor to self-destruct. And they did.

Not sure where you get that information from ... I wouldn't say Abbott has looked thrilled at missing the top job , in fact, judging from his behaviour since the last election I'd say he was the opposite to thrilled.. and since your first argument is obviously rubbish, your other points are also rubbish ...

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