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Question: Do you want an early election?

Yes    
  17 (42.5%)
No    
  23 (57.5%)




Total votes: 40
« Created by: Armchair_Politician on: Apr 30th, 2012 at 7:30am »

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Reply #105 - May 1st, 2012 at 1:25pm
 
borntorule wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:21pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:17pm:
borntorule wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:09pm:
60% of the voting population wanting a new election is a pretty huge indictment on the ALP considering that it includes actual ALP voters!



No, that's not correct.

It's 60% of the people surveyed, not 60% of the voting population.

How many people do you think they are actually surveying?


Oh, I get it! This is the classic 'shoot the messenger' ploy. If your argument is that polls are worthless, despite being exceptionally accurate then really, your opinion on the topic isnt even as good as an online poll. They at least have SOME value, if not much, while dissing professional polls has no value at all - a bit like your opinion.



    " the poll of 1019 voters - taken over the weekend and ... "

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/bring-on-an-early-election-say-vot...

1019 people surveyed.

611 said "yes".

Australian poulation = 22,892,632

Yeah, Australia wants an early election   Grin



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Reply #106 - May 1st, 2012 at 1:26pm
 
borntorule wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:23pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:19pm:
" the poll of 1019 voters - taken over the weekend and ... "

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/bring-on-an-early-election-say-vot...


I'm here to tell you, there are a few more than 1019 eligible voters in Australia.

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Really? Who would have guessed? I was sure that Galaxy polled every voter in the country. How could they otherwise be so accurate? Or is there a possible other explanation, known as 'sampling protocol'?



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Re: Voters want early election
Reply #107 - May 1st, 2012 at 1:27pm
 
borntorule wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:09pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:05pm:
borntorule wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 12:57pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 12:45pm:
Voters want early election

I doubt it very much.


And you reasoning for that is what? repeated polls that show huge numbers want a new election? Or is it the current voting polls that show Labor to be the lepers of politics?

Saying that voters DONT want an election is just head-in-the-sand denial.



How "huge" are the numbers?

I certainly don't want an early election (OK, I voted ALP).

I don't know anyone else who wants an early election, and that includes friends who are Liberal voters.

I acknowledge that many people do want an early election, but how many are we actually talking about?  How many people have been surveyed in these polls?  1 million, 2 million?


online polls which are by defininion pretty unreliable show figures of 85-95%. Galaxy polled this very question and found the result to be 60%. thats a pretty significant number. 60% of the voting population wanting a new election is a pretty huge indictment on the ALP considering that it includes actual ALP voters!



Must have been a different poll to the one released by galaxy a couple of days ago, which had 52% wanting an election, which coincidentally happened to be the same percentage as those who say they want to vote Abbott in.

Maybe you go to the Hockey school of economics, and just make up a figure which sounds good for you?
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Re: Voters want early election
Reply #108 - May 1st, 2012 at 1:32pm
 
mozzaok wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:27pm:
borntorule wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:09pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:05pm:
borntorule wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 12:57pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 12:45pm:
Voters want early election

I doubt it very much.


And you reasoning for that is what? repeated polls that show huge numbers want a new election? Or is it the current voting polls that show Labor to be the lepers of politics?

Saying that voters DONT want an election is just head-in-the-sand denial.



How "huge" are the numbers?

I certainly don't want an early election (OK, I voted ALP).

I don't know anyone else who wants an early election, and that includes friends who are Liberal voters.

I acknowledge that many people do want an early election, but how many are we actually talking about?  How many people have been surveyed in these polls?  1 million, 2 million?


online polls which are by defininion pretty unreliable show figures of 85-95%. Galaxy polled this very question and found the result to be 60%. thats a pretty significant number. 60% of the voting population wanting a new election is a pretty huge indictment on the ALP considering that it includes actual ALP voters!



Must have been a different poll to the one released by galaxy a couple of days ago, which had 52% wanting an election, which coincidentally happened to be the same percentage as those who say they want to vote Abbott in.

Maybe you go to the Hockey school of economics, and just make up a figure which sounds good for you?


So which part of 52% sounds like a minority to you? By any definition 52% is a majority plus, when taken in context, is a very, very significant number. firstly the Coalitions primary vote is 51% not 52% and the assumption that all Coalition voters want an early election is untested and highly unlikely. That leaves a very significant number of people who WONT vote Coalition, wanting an early election.

There is no way you can spin a poll like this as not meaning that the voters dont want an early election. It is quite clear that they do.
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Reply #109 - May 1st, 2012 at 1:34pm
 
borntorule wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:32pm:
There is no way you can spin a poll like this as not meaning that the voters dont want an early election. It is quite clear that they do.



" the poll of 1019 voters - taken over the weekend and ... "

Clear as mud.

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Reply #110 - May 1st, 2012 at 1:38pm
 
The ALP needs to just wake up that there is nothing they can do right, nothing they will get -credit for and that they are maggots.  And before Aussie Joe Hockey pumps us with 15 years of Austerity measures, at least we will see the Carbon Tax repealed and most of these ALP Maggots gone from the Parliament.
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Re: Voters want early election
Reply #111 - May 1st, 2012 at 1:38pm
 
Uncle Meat wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:26pm:
borntorule wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:23pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:19pm:
" the poll of 1019 voters - taken over the weekend and ... "

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/bring-on-an-early-election-say-vot...


I'm here to tell you, there are a few more than 1019 eligible voters in Australia.

Roll Eyes


Really? Who would have guessed? I was sure that Galaxy polled every voter in the country. How could they otherwise be so accurate? Or is there a possible other explanation, known as 'sampling protocol'?



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Rather than just sit there stamping your feet like a petulant child, look up the Galaxy website and click on political polling. It will show you their accuracy rate for the past ten years.  Then come back and tell me why YOU are right and the most accurate polling group in the country is wrong.

Or is the real problem that you have actually succumbed to that juvenile affliction known as 'defining the universe by my own experience'? Because if you suffer from that affliction it would make sense because you dont know anyone wanting an early election therefore nobody does. But it is ok. There is a cure. It is called 'growing up'.

It doesn't hurt.
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Re: Voters want early election
Reply #112 - May 1st, 2012 at 1:47pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 30th, 2012 at 7:34am:
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No need for an early election.  Its not due yet, and should be at a time of the governments choosing.  See you in 2013.   Smiley


No need? Do you think the Gillard government is carrying out its job competently?




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( ... not that you'd KNOW - from reading The Australian)





PM's disability announcement greeted with cheers

May 01, 2012

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Melbourne's Federation Square was the centre of one of many rallies held around the country, calling for a shake-up of disability support services.

Many watched the big screens, as the Prime Minister Julia Gillard announced that the Federal Government would fund part of the National Disability Insurance Scheme (NDIS), set to begin from July next year.

Among the hundreds at Federation Square was carer Matt McFarlane.

He says the NDIS is essential.

"It's a big struggle for some people and I think struggling is strength," he said.

"Strength should be respected and appreciated and supported. We all should support one another."

Disability Discrimination Commissioner, Graeme Innes, was also among the hundreds at Federation Square.

"If we want every Australian to count, including the 20 per cent of people with a disability, then a NDIS is critical," he said.

Ms Gillard says the scheme will operate in up to four locations across the country, helping 10,000 people in its first year.

Victoria's Community Services Minister Mary Wooldridge, welcomed the Government's decision.

She told the crowd the State Government was doing all it could to help the disabled.

"We will be with you every step of the way," she said.

"We are there, there is leadership, there is commitment, there is expertise," she said.

Ahead of the Melbourne rally, organiser James O'Brien, from the Every Australian Counts campaign, said the scheme was crucial.

"(It) ensures that people with disabilities, family members and their carers, get access to a decent level of care and support," he said.

"For too long, people with disabilities have missed out and have been let down by a system that doesn't work in their interests."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-30/melbourne-cheers-as-the-pm-announces-disab...



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Reply #113 - May 1st, 2012 at 1:48pm
 
borntorule wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:38pm:
Rather than just sit there stamping your feet ...



Not stamping, laughing.

You can believe whatever you like.  I couldn't care less.

But, remember this:

1. There is absolutely no way of determining if that poll is accurate. None.  I invite you to argue to the contrary though.

2. Even if it was correct, it doesn't matter in the slightest: Galaxy polls do not dictate when Australia has a general election.  Sorry.

Still laughing, not stamping   Wink
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Reply #114 - May 1st, 2012 at 1:50pm
 
borntorule wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:09pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:05pm:
borntorule wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 12:57pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 12:45pm:
Voters want early election

I doubt it very much.


And you reasoning for that is what? repeated polls that show huge numbers want a new election? Or is it the current voting polls that show Labor to be the lepers of politics?

Saying that voters DONT want an election is just head-in-the-sand denial.



How "huge" are the numbers?

I certainly don't want an early election (OK, I voted ALP).

I don't know anyone else who wants an early election, and that includes friends who are Liberal voters.

I acknowledge that many people do want an early election, but how many are we actually talking about?  How many people have been surveyed in these polls?  1 million, 2 million?


online polls which are by defininion pretty unreliable show figures of 85-95%. Galaxy polled this very question and found the result to be 60%. thats a pretty significant number. 60% of the voting population wanting a new election is a pretty huge indictment on the ALP considering that it includes actual ALP voters!

Wow,it was only 52% in the galaxy poll yesterday,must be inflation.
So who's banned sock are you,anyway?
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Reply #115 - May 1st, 2012 at 2:32pm
 
skippy. wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Wow,it was only 52% in the galaxy poll yesterday,must be inflation.
So who's banned sock are you,anyway?


I was damned certain that it was loserweekend hiding back there. But then I noticed the line about Galaxy being super accurate. Not Newspoll but Galaxy. And more importantly, it can spell!  Grin Grin
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Reply #116 - May 1st, 2012 at 2:48pm
 
Gist wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 2:32pm:
skippy. wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Wow,it was only 52% in the galaxy poll yesterday,must be inflation.
So who's banned sock are you,anyway?


I was damned certain that it was loserweekend hiding back there. But then I noticed the line about Galaxy being super accurate. Not Newspoll but Galaxy. And more importantly, it can spell!  Grin Grin

Good observations, I too thought it wrote like losersweekend,but the Galaxy line throws that off.OH, and the fact this sock has spell check,losersweekend spells like a 3rd grader.
That said this troll only registered yesterday arvo yet it has over 50 posts, sure sign of a banned member.
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Reply #117 - May 1st, 2012 at 3:07pm
 
Uncle Meat wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:48pm:
borntorule wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:38pm:
Rather than just sit there stamping your feet ...



Not stamping, laughing.

You can believe whatever you like.  I couldn't care less.

But, remember this:

1. There is absolutely no way of determining if that poll is accurate. None.  I invite you to argue to the contrary though.

2. Even if it was correct, it doesn't matter in the slightest: Galaxy polls do not dictate when Australia has a general election.  Sorry.

Still laughing, not stamping   Wink


Well your comment that it is not accurate is just silly since the methodology virtually ensures it.  And it was an OPINION poll, not a referendum. That doesnt make it binding but it does make it important. When over half the voters want the govt out NOW, then it is something to mull over in the PM's suite as the caucus sharpens its well-used knives.
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Reply #118 - May 1st, 2012 at 3:08pm
 
It seems irrelevant of the company, every opinion poll is showing Labor about as popular as a case of herpes.
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Reply #119 - May 1st, 2012 at 3:10pm
 
skippy. wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 2:48pm:
Gist wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 2:32pm:
skippy. wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Wow,it was only 52% in the galaxy poll yesterday,must be inflation.
So who's banned sock are you,anyway?


I was damned certain that it was loserweekend hiding back there. But then I noticed the line about Galaxy being super accurate. Not Newspoll but Galaxy. And more importantly, it can spell!  Grin Grin

Good observations, I too thought it wrote like losersweekend,but the Galaxy line throws that off.OH, and the fact this sock has spell check,losersweekend spells like a 3rd grader.
That said this troll only registered yesterday arvo yet it has over 50 posts, sure sign of a banned member.


I remember Skippy the Bush Kangaroo. It was a silly program about a dumb animal that the cast was paid to think was intelligent, but was not.

Seems that you chose your ID perfectly. You make a perfect 'dumb animal'.
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