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Hysteria as cops make innocents the priority
Apr 27th, 2012 at 10:04pm
 
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/mirandadevine/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/hysteria_as_cops_make_innocents_the_priority/

THE chorus of condemnation, protest and ridiculous advice that has rained down on the police this week explains why hoodlums can shoot up Sydney with impunity almost every night.

We have emasculated and feminised our police to the point the bad guys don’t fear them.

They know that any time an officer actually demonstrates force in defence of the community, he (because it’s almost always he) will be damned, and dragged through the wringer to explain the actions of a split second.

But if it were you pinned under that allegedly stolen car and dragged along a footpath in Kings Cross on Saturday night, you would want the police to do whatever they could to stop the vehicle, even if it meant shooting at it.

In that instant in which police rely on their reflexes to tell them what to do, the public wants them to save our lives, not to hesitate and second-guess what Cameron Murphy and the Greens might say afterwards.

It’s tragic that a 14-year-old and 17-year-old were shot, and that the younger boy remains in a coma. But if it comes to a choice between them and the two innocent women they mowed down after the allegedly stolen car they were driving mounted the kerb, there is no choice.

One of the women reportedly was pinned under the car as it careered along the footpath, and she is lucky she wasn’t more badly injured.

But that doesn’t stop armchair critics intent on stirring up trouble.

The angry protest yesterday afternoon organised by Ray Jackson of the Indigenous Social Justice Association outside Parliament House in Macquarie St tells you the mood is volatile enough already.

Jackson told the crowd the police were “idiots” and questioned whether they should carry weapons at all.

Teenagers yelled “f ... the police, some wore black balaclavas and others were drinking and blocking Macquarie St.

But as details of the lengthy police records of the juveniles emerge, the real question is why children so young are so out of control. Allowed to roam the streets at 4am, pulled up by police hundreds of times between them, they clearly feared no authority and bowed to no discipline. Where their parents have obviously failed, the state is supposed to take over.

The police have done their job, apprehending the boys over and over since they were about 10 years old, but the courts have let us down.

Attorney General Greg Smith wants to keep juveniles out of prison, because they become hardened criminals inside. That is a noble aim. But the problem is that leaving them on the streets is no better.

The more they get away with, the more empowered they become, the more risks they take and the more dangerous they become to themselves and the community.

If juvenile detention is so brutal, then change juvenile detention. Don’t release feral children into the community that has already done them so much harm.

In the end police are all we have left to pick up the pieces and wear the blame if something goes wrong.

It is extraordinary that they bother at all. You could hardly blame them for standing by and doing nothing. There would be a lot less trouble.

But the sacrifice of good noble police officers over the past 15 years on the altar of political correctness and affirmative action is why we have criminals in this city who have no fear of the law.

NSW Police Minister Mike Gallacher and Premier Barry O’Farrell have said they support the police.

They need to prove it with more than words.
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Reply #1 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 12:40am
 
easy chioce as far as I can tell. if it was my daughter being run over - then they couldn't stop them quick enough. If the miscreant in the car was my son,I would visit them in hospital and tell him "I told you this reckless behaviour was dangerous and in the end it would catch up with you - and now it has. What have you got to say for yourself now?"

It is a damn shame tho'that anyone, let alone a kid should be hurt in trying to prevent any sort of criminal activity. But hey, criminals for a long time have had a saying that essentially says '"you do the crime, you get caught - you do the tme". The time in this instance is being paid for with the loss of life though - what a tragic waste of life.

On a different note but I think not entirely unrelated to the topic at hand, kids up here in QLD are really finding it hard to get their P plates because of the costs involved. For example if you are unable to find someone through your family or friends to get time in the log book (you need a hundred hours of practice before you can do your prac test - and I agree that the time is neccessary) you have to pay someone to get your driving lessons. now if you need a hundred hours and each hour is approx worth $25-30 hr that works out to be a lot of money for kids who come from low-paid families that usually live far from sources of work out in the urban sprawl...........

maybe there is some form of connection here I don't know, but if your going to make a once highly esteemed right of passage for every young person entering the phase of life where some skeerick of independance is granted according to a skill learnt rather than the ability to pay - and instead replace it with a right accorded if you can pay or have someone else foot the bill (if you come from an affluent family) then I would find it easy to think there is going to be a forever growing number of kids who make up a section of the community that will for years be very envious and perhaps even vengefull at not having the same oppurtunity to acquire a licence - and thereby increase your ability to find work......... and other oppurtunities.


But maybe I'm wrong for thinking that.....
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Reply #2 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 6:32am
 
I've got no gripe with the police doing their job. In this case the police did what they had to do right up until the youth was shot, still ok with that, but the punching after the shooting was uncalled for. The perpetrator was already subdued and the cop still saw fit to punch the living daylights out of him. There was no need for the extra testosterone release in my opinion.
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Reply #3 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:51am
 
Feminise the police force? WTH?

You really should watch what you read you know. That bias creeps into your brain if you keep inputting it.

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Reply #4 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:41am
 
"We have emasculated and feminised our police to the point the bad guys don’t fear them."
"There was no need for the extra testosterone release in my opinion. "
That's how the males become feminine_ it's Kings Cross.

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Reply #5 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:44am
 
I think this subject has been covered to the point of saturation hasn't it?
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Reply #6 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:53am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 6:32am:
I've got no gripe with the police doing their job. In this case the police did what they had to do right up until the youth was shot, still ok with that, but the punching after the shooting was uncalled for. The perpetrator was already subdued and the cop still saw fit to punch the living daylights out of him. There was no need for the extra testosterone release in my opinion.



Couldnn't agree more.

Totally uncalled-for, and no 'explanation' is acceptable, AFAIC.

The police MUST learn that they are there to UPHOLD the law.

They are NOT, themselves,  the law, despite what they may think.

And they wonder why they don't get 'respect'........
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Reply #7 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:14am
 
We need to bring back the noose -
that will stop them.
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Reply #8 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:20am
 
The police force are supposed to be upstanding members of the community, instead they mimic the  behaviour of the thugs they are arresting. How can impressionable young minds look up to them if they are not doing the right thing.

Digital camera's have been their downfall.
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Reply #9 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:29am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:14am:
We need to bring back the noose -
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No, I don't think we need to go quite THAT far to stop police bashing suspects unnecessarily.
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Reply #10 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:36am
 
Kat wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:29am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:14am:
We need to bring back the noose -
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No, I don't think we need to go quite THAT far to stop police bashing suspects unnecessarily.



Kat - you're cheeky -
I meant for the attempted murder of the woman under the car.
Hang the bastards!
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Reply #11 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:37am
 
The hindsight heroes still at it I see.

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Reply #12 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:45am
 
FD I agree with every point made except that the suspects being shot was a tragedy except from the point of inadequate marksmanship.

The judiciary have a lot to answer for.

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Reply #13 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:50am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 6:32am:
I've got no gripe with the police doing their job. In this case the police did what they had to do right up until the youth was shot, still ok with that, but the punching after the shooting was uncalled for. The perpetrator was already subdued and the cop still saw fit to punch the living daylights out of him. There was no need for the extra testosterone release in my opinion.


More to do with understandable anger and situational adrenaline than testosterone IMO.

So have to say I don't have a problem with it.

If they were beating up on a middle aged mother of three for throwing chips at the cricket that would be a different story.
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Reply #14 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 1:17pm
 
red baron was right. the thread is saturated. I'm against hanging police, too.
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