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Reply #15 - Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:45pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

I suppose so long as your talking from the point of view of the business, that'd be true.

Actually, I'm not all that interested in the business side of it.

If I go into a store, for example, I want the most suitable/skilled person serving me. I don't care if they're Australian, Canadian, Turkish, Muslim, Buddhist, Scientologist, German, blonde, red head, etc. ... I just want the best service possible. That comes from hiring the most suitable candidate.

But I would take the Swedish blonde if you want me to rank in order of service preference.....

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Reply #16 - Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:46pm

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

I suppose so long as your talking from the point of view of the business, that'd be true.

Actually, I'm not all that interested in the business side of it.

If I go into a store, for example, I want the most suitable/skilled person serving me. I don't care if they're Australian, Canadian, Turkish, Muslim, Buddhist, Scientologist, German, blonde, red head, etc. ... I just want the best service possible. That comes from hiring the most suitable candidate.

What do you think it does for the mindset of your average young australian, knowing the jobs they aspire to are reserved for blowins? Good for morale would you say? Good for social cohesion?

I'd like them to know that they will compete with skilled 'blow ins' for a skilled role so need to up their game.
I'd also like them to know they can follow me and work across a number of developed economies in the world and actually see and experience life in more than 1 country.

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Reply #17 - Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:47pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

I suppose so long as your talking from the point of view of the business, that'd be true.

Actually, I'm not all that interested in the business side of it.

If I go into a store, for example, I want the most suitable/skilled person serving me. I don't care if they're Australian, Canadian, Turkish, Muslim, Buddhist, Scientologist, German, blonde, red head, etc. ... I just want the best service possible. That comes from hiring the most suitable candidate.

Nobody can be "the best" without training.

And if no training is available, they have no hope. Might as well just get stoned all day, and languish on the dole.

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Reply #18 - Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:48pm

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

I suppose so long as your talking from the point of view of the business, that'd be true.

Actually, I'm not all that interested in the business side of it.

If I go into a store, for example, I want the most suitable/skilled person serving me. I don't care if they're Australian, Canadian, Turkish, Muslim, Buddhist, Scientologist, German, blonde, red head, etc. ... I just want the best service possible. That comes from hiring the most suitable candidate.

Nobody can be "the best" without training.

And if no training is available, they have no hope. Might as well just get stoned all day, and languish on the dole.

In my experience of life in Australia, half of you do that anyway?

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Reply #19 - Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:49pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

I suppose so long as your talking from the point of view of the business, that'd be true.

Actually, I'm not all that interested in the business side of it.

If I go into a store, for example, I want the most suitable/skilled person serving me. I don't care if they're Australian, Canadian, Turkish, Muslim, Buddhist, Scientologist, German, blonde, red head, etc. ... I just want the best service possible. That comes from hiring the most suitable candidate.

What do you think it does for the mindset of your average young australian, knowing the jobs they aspire to are reserved for blowins? Good for morale would you say? Good for social cohesion?

I'd like them to know that they will compete with skilled 'blow ins' for a skilled role so need to up their game.I'd also like them to know they can follow me and work across a number of developed economies in the world and actually see and experience life in more than 1 country.

How?
If all the jobs are filled by imports, nobodys going to run training programs to teach those skills are they?

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Reply #20 - Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:49pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

I suppose so long as your talking from the point of view of the business, that'd be true.

Actually, I'm not all that interested in the business side of it.

If I go into a store, for example, I want the most suitable/skilled person serving me. I don't care if they're Australian, Canadian, Turkish, Muslim, Buddhist, Scientologist, German, blonde, red head, etc. ... I just want the best service possible. That comes from hiring the most suitable candidate.

Nobody can be "the best" without training.

And if no training is available, they have no hope. Might as well just get stoned all day, and languish on the dole.

In my experience of life in Australia, half of you do that anyway?

yep, do you want the other half to start as well?

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Reply #21 - Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:51pm

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

I suppose so long as your talking from the point of view of the business, that'd be true.

Actually, I'm not all that interested in the business side of it.

If I go into a store, for example, I want the most suitable/skilled person serving me. I don't care if they're Australian, Canadian, Turkish, Muslim, Buddhist, Scientologist, German, blonde, red head, etc. ... I just want the best service possible. That comes from hiring the most suitable candidate.

Nobody can be "the best" without training.

And if no training is available, they have no hope. Might as well just get stoned all day, and languish on the dole.

You said this:

" ... import a filipino (whos qualification/expertise may not even be relevant to the australian market, in which case they're certainly not the best person for the job, just the most convenient.)"

And you were right.

A smart employer is not going to employ someone like that.

They will employ the best person for the job.

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Reply #22 - Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:52pm

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

I suppose so long as your talking from the point of view of the business, that'd be true.

Actually, I'm not all that interested in the business side of it.

If I go into a store, for example, I want the most suitable/skilled person serving me. I don't care if they're Australian, Canadian, Turkish, Muslim, Buddhist, Scientologist, German, blonde, red head, etc. ... I just want the best service possible. That comes from hiring the most suitable candidate.

What do you think it does for the mindset of your average young australian, knowing the jobs they aspire to are reserved for blowins? Good for morale would you say? Good for social cohesion?

I'd like them to know that they will compete with skilled 'blow ins' for a skilled role so need to up their game.I'd also like them to know they can follow me and work across a number of developed economies in the world and actually see and experience life in more than 1 country.

How?
If all the jobs are filled by imports, nobodys going to run training programs to teach those skills are they?

So you're assuming they will lose out already?
Kinda defeatist isn't it?

Maybe thats half the problem.

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Re: Immigration intake to go through the roof
Reply #24 - Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:55pm

When I go back to London, I will compete for roles with the following (all with the same employment rights as me) -

Germans
French
Italians
Irish
Swedes
Spaniards
Portugese
Austrians
Dutch
Belgians
Luxembourgers
Poles

I've probably missed some.
It's called an open border - I can go to their countries and have the same rights too.
I think it works. It means we get the best people in the best roles.

One thing that annoys me a little about Aussies is the whole 'cabin fever' attitude - which I think tyranny of distance breeds.
There is a world out there - go out to their countries and work there and bring these people in to work in Australia too.

I was asked once in Melbourne do I buy Australian as a preference?
I said absolutely not. I buy the best - based on quality. If I buy just Australian, what incentive is there for the Aussie to make sure his product is as good as the Italian one???

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Reply #25 - Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:56pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:52pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

I suppose so long as your talking from the point of view of the business, that'd be true.

Actually, I'm not all that interested in the business side of it.

If I go into a store, for example, I want the most suitable/skilled person serving me. I don't care if they're Australian, Canadian, Turkish, Muslim, Buddhist, Scientologist, German, blonde, red head, etc. ... I just want the best service possible. That comes from hiring the most suitable candidate.

What do you think it does for the mindset of your average young australian, knowing the jobs they aspire to are reserved for blowins? Good for morale would you say? Good for social cohesion?

I'd like them to know that they will compete with skilled 'blow ins' for a skilled role so need to up their game.I'd also like them to know they can follow me and work across a number of developed economies in the world and actually see and experience life in more than 1 country.

How?
If all the jobs are filled by imports, nobodys going to run training programs to teach those skills are they?

So you're assuming they will lose out already?
Kinda defeatist isn't it?

Maybe thats half the problem.

Of course they'll lose out - the bottom line ensures they start behind the eight ball.

Back to the "training levy" - don't you think mining should invest in training, seeing as how they poach so many skilled tradespeople from other industries? Do you think it's right they take take take, without giving back, and investing in the future of their industry in this country?

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Reply #26 - Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:59pm

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:52pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

I suppose so long as your talking from the point of view of the business, that'd be true.

Actually, I'm not all that interested in the business side of it.

If I go into a store, for example, I want the most suitable/skilled person serving me. I don't care if they're Australian, Canadian, Turkish, Muslim, Buddhist, Scientologist, German, blonde, red head, etc. ... I just want the best service possible. That comes from hiring the most suitable candidate.

What do you think it does for the mindset of your average young australian, knowing the jobs they aspire to are reserved for blowins? Good for morale would you say? Good for social cohesion?

I'd like them to know that they will compete with skilled 'blow ins' for a skilled role so need to up their game.I'd also like them to know they can follow me and work across a number of developed economies in the world and actually see and experience life in more than 1 country.

How?
If all the jobs are filled by imports, nobodys going to run training programs to teach those skills are they?

So you're assuming they will lose out already?
Kinda defeatist isn't it?

Maybe thats half the problem.

Of course they'll lose out - the bottom line ensures they start behind the eight ball.

Back to the "training levy" - don't you think mining should invest in training, seeing as how they poach so many skilled tradespeople from other industries? Do you think it's right they take take take, without giving back, and investing in the future of their industry in this country?

Again you're thinking low skills roles.
Why would a highly skilled person come to Australia to work for less than the Aussie?

If he is, then he isn't very good and not what I am talking about.

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Reply #27 - Apr 26^th, 2012 at 2:01pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

How?
If all the jobs are filled by imports, nobodys going to run training programs to teach those skills are they?

All of the jobs don't have to be filled by imports.

Australians can apply for the positions too.

Yes, Australians who haven't had the benfit of having training available to them.

meanwhile, we'll import these type of 'skilled" people. hey. they've got a piece of paper that says they're qualified - whos gonna argue?

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Reply #28 - Apr 26^th, 2012 at 2:07pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 1:59pm: