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Reply #15 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:21pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:14pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:10pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:00pm:
Lastnail - why do you hate property investors so much????

My parents have done well out of it.

Rather than knock it, try it yourself.


Because land and property speculation ruins economies and then joe battler has to go and pay for it later with his taxes Sad Do you need any examples of ruined economies ?



Well you dont have to worry anymore mate. Only the really rich ones can do it now and they come along and buy up all of it. Just 1 or 2 really rich ones. Normal ppl cant do it anymore anyway. Its not possible. And if they did it a few years ago they are in trouble now because they cant pay all the rates and taxes etc thats being heaped on them and they cant sell either and they prolly have "negatively geared" mortgages that the repayments have gone up on and they have to put up the rents to pay them.

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And here's the solution to it. Quite simple really Wink

http://vimeo.com/38500767

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REAL ESTATE 4 RAN$OM outlines a genuine alternative to the global property speculation that forced so many into debt.

Doubling the pressure, the tax game has become just that, with tax havens a favoured option for the wealthy.

The result - we are taxing the wrong things, causing more problems whilst bankrupting once proud economies. A systemic change is essential if we are to avoid these damaging boom-bust-bailouts.


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Reply #16 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:25pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:18pm:
They should abolish negative gearing or only make it apply to brand new house and land packages only.


It's not that simple.  The value of the existing investment properties would plummet.  You'd create an Australian based GFC equivalent.  These properties are already being used as securities for business as well.

Any benefit would be more than wiped out.

Cause and effect.
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Reply #17 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:38pm
 
Swagman wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:25pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:18pm:
They should abolish negative gearing or only make it apply to brand new house and land packages only.


It's not that simple.  The value of the existing investment properties would plummet.  You'd create an Australian based GFC equivalent.  These properties are already being used as securities for business as well.

Any benefit would be more than wiped out.

Cause and effect.


Best to introduce it right after a major property crash ! Some short term suffering for sure but long term benefits for the majority.

I mean who wouldn't want to substitute 120 existing taxes for one land tax ? It's just that no political party has got the balls to do anything about it because they only care about getting voted in at the next election.

People who invest in property and land are nothing more than bottom feeding parasites. They profit from doing no work and are rewarded for it !!
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Reply #18 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:22pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:38pm:
Swagman wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:25pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:18pm:
They should abolish negative gearing or only make it apply to brand new house and land packages only.


It's not that simple.  The value of the existing investment properties would plummet.  You'd create an Australian based GFC equivalent.  These properties are already being used as securities for business as well.

Any benefit would be more than wiped out.

Cause and effect.


Best to introduce it right after a major property crash ! Some short term suffering for sure but long term benefits for the majority.

I mean who wouldn't want to substitute 120 existing taxes for one land tax ? It's just that no political party has got the balls to do anything about it because they only care about getting voted in at the next election.

People who invest in property and land are nothing more than bottom feeding parasites. They profit from doing no work and are rewarded for it !!



No house or land is worth what is being asked to pay for it. I consisder it a joke. People cannot afford to pay their mortgage and rent is disgraceful.

Firstly get rid of rent assistance and watch rent prices crumble  because many will not be able to rent at given prices and owners will not be able to rent their properties so will have to lower what they are asking.

Secondly do something about the negative gearing. It is causing many Australian families NOT to be able to buy a house when working Australians should easily be able to afford to buy.
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Reply #19 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:33pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:21pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:14pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:10pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:00pm:
Lastnail - why do you hate property investors so much????

My parents have done well out of it.

Rather than knock it, try it yourself.


Because land and property speculation ruins economies and then joe battler has to go and pay for it later with his taxes Sad Do you need any examples of ruined economies ?



Well you dont have to worry anymore mate. Only the really rich ones can do it now and they come along and buy up all of it. Just 1 or 2 really rich ones. Normal ppl cant do it anymore anyway. Its not possible. And if they did it a few years ago they are in trouble now because they cant pay all the rates and taxes etc thats being heaped on them and they cant sell either and they prolly have "negatively geared" mortgages that the repayments have gone up on and they have to put up the rents to pay them.

SOB


And here's the solution to it. Quite simple really Wink

http://vimeo.com/38500767

Quote:
REAL ESTATE 4 RAN$OM outlines a genuine alternative to the global property speculation that forced so many into debt.

Doubling the pressure, the tax game has become just that, with tax havens a favoured option for the wealthy.

The result - we are taxing the wrong things, causing more problems whilst bankrupting once proud economies. A systemic change is essential if we are to avoid these damaging boom-bust-bailouts.




Is that a video in there? Shows nothing on my screen., The flash is stuffed up on the computer as i have said many times. Can you just tell me what it says? What is the solution?

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Reply #20 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:17pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:33pm:
Is that a video in there? Shows nothing on my screen., The flash is stuffed up on the computer as i have said many times. Can you just tell me what it says? What is the solution?

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Try watching it from here

http://www.prosper.org.au/

Essentially the solution is to replace about 120 existing taxes that stifle business with one land tax !!

This will stop speculators sitting on land and making money from doing no work at all as well as forcing up land prices. It will also focus investment into real businesses that are the engine room of the economy !!

Tax the the freeloaders is the key message here !!
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Reply #21 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:25pm
 
beware wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:22pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:38pm:
Swagman wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:25pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:18pm:
They should abolish negative gearing or only make it apply to brand new house and land packages only.


It's not that simple.  The value of the existing investment properties would plummet.  You'd create an Australian based GFC equivalent.  These properties are already being used as securities for business as well.

Any benefit would be more than wiped out.

Cause and effect.


Best to introduce it right after a major property crash ! Some short term suffering for sure but long term benefits for the majority.

I mean who wouldn't want to substitute 120 existing taxes for one land tax ? It's just that no political party has got the balls to do anything about it because they only care about getting voted in at the next election.

People who invest in property and land are nothing more than bottom feeding parasites. They profit from doing no work and are rewarded for it !!



No house or land is worth what is being asked to pay for it. I consisder it a joke. People cannot afford to pay their mortgage and rent is disgraceful.

Firstly get rid of rent assistance and watch rent prices crumble  because many will not be able to rent at given prices and owners will not be able to rent their properties so will have to lower what they are asking.

Secondly do something about the negative gearing. It is causing many Australian families NOT to be able to buy a house when working Australians should easily be able to afford to buy.


Yes rent assistance is welfare for property speculators and hoarders who use tenants to pay off their dumps with absolutely no benefit to the tenants Sad

Again we see the taxation system misused to prop up the property industry Sad
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Reply #22 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 8:01am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:17pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:33pm:
Is that a video in there? Shows nothing on my screen., The flash is stuffed up on the computer as i have said many times. Can you just tell me what it says? What is the solution?

SOB


Try watching it from here

http://www.prosper.org.au/

Essentially the solution is to replace about 120 existing taxes that stifle business with one land tax !!

This will stop speculators sitting on land and making money from doing no work at all as well as forcing up land prices. It will also focus investment into real businesses that are the engine room of the economy !!

Tax the the freeloaders is the key message here !!


Damn. I had hoped you had an actual solution. Silly me. The tax sounds like the GST. Supposed to replace a bunch of existing taxes but all they did was rename them.

Not sure who the "freeloaders" are since most ppl that try to do the rent-mortgage thing have worked a long time to get the money to even try to speculate. Sounds like you are jealous to me but that is just the impression i get. You have to work so everyone else has to.

It wont effect the big property speculators. The ones that buy all the properties in an area. They are rich already. Its the ones that have just 1 "investment house" and are trying to pay it off with a mortgage but the rent doesnt cover it and they prolly are either renting where they are living now or trying to buy a 2nd house to live in. These ppl are trying to get ahead. Its not working.

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Reply #23 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 12:05pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:38pm:
I mean who wouldn't want to substitute 120 existing taxes for one land tax ? It's just that no political party has got the balls to do anything about it because they only care about getting voted in at the next election.

People who invest in property and land are nothing more than bottom feeding parasites. They profit from doing no work and are rewarded for it !!


I dont know anyone who thinks investing in property is a good idea as there are too many taxes and the return on capital is pathetic.

We already have a "land tax" for investment properties, i was put off by the $14,000 dollar land tax bill for a property which would mean about $300 per week from the rent just to cover land tax.
Rents are outrageous because of the government land tax that has to be paid by the tennant.

When you add up land tax,rates,insurance,property management fees there is not a lot left over for the investor who then gets slugged with capital gains tax when they sell.

If you had a million dollars would it earn more just by putting it in a term deposit or would you get a better return on capital by buying a house with it to rent out ?
I know someone who recently sold a rental property and they make more from the interest than they made from rent.

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Reply #24 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 12:17pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 8:01am:
Damn. I had hoped you had an actual solution. Silly me. The tax sounds like the GST. Supposed to replace a bunch of existing taxes but all they did was rename them.

Not sure who the "freeloaders" are since most ppl that try to do the rent-mortgage thing have worked a long time to get the money to even try to speculate. Sounds like you are jealous to me but that is just the impression i get. You have to work so everyone else has to.

It wont effect the big property speculators. The ones that buy all the properties in an area. They are rich already. Its the ones that have just 1 "investment house" and are trying to pay it off with a mortgage but the rent doesnt cover it and they prolly are either renting where they are living now or trying to buy a 2nd house to live in. These ppl are trying to get ahead. Its not working.

SOB


The  don't complain when there is no businesses left to give your kids a job because all of the money was wasted on land deals creating absolutely nothing Sad

You reap what you sow !!

Yes and I am so jealous that we have to pay bribe money to foreign car companies to make cars for us because we only invest in junk property and not manufacturing. Yes I am very jealous of that situation Cheesy LOL
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Reply #25 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 12:31pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 12:05pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:38pm:
I mean who wouldn't want to substitute 120 existing taxes for one land tax ? It's just that no political party has got the balls to do anything about it because they only care about getting voted in at the next election.

People who invest in property and land are nothing more than bottom feeding parasites. They profit from doing no work and are rewarded for it !!


I dont know anyone who thinks investing in property is a good idea as there are too many taxes and the return on capital is pathetic.

We already have a "land tax" for investment properties, i was put off by the $14,000 dollar land tax bill for a property which would mean about $300 per week from the rent just to cover land tax.
Rents are outrageous because of the government land tax that has to be paid by the tennant.

When you add up land tax,rates,insurance,property management fees there is not a lot left over for the investor who then gets slugged with capital gains tax when they sell.

If you had a million dollars would it earn more just by putting it in a term deposit or would you get a better return on capital by buying a house with it to rent out ?
I know someone who recently sold a rental property and they make more from the interest than they made from rent.



That's good but they should increase land tax to 6% as that video suggests. This would discourage speculators,  hoarders and land banking.

Fortunately land tax is not paid on your principle place of residence which is fair !!

http://www.trilogygroup.com.au/articles/Land-Tax---The-Facts.html

Quote:
Land Tax is something we have written about previously this year but it is an area that we have considerable enquiries about so we thought we would provide information on the most frequently asked questions:

What is Land Tax?
It is an annual state government tax payable by the owner of the land. It is imposed in all states and ACT but not the Northern Territory. Each state and territory administers its own land tax laws. The laws are comparable between states with some variations.

Do I have to pay Land Tax on my Principal Place of Residence?
Your principal place of residence is generally exempt from land tax.

Do I have to pay land tax on property that isn’t earning any income?

Yes if your property is not exempt from land tax then it will be subject to land tax even if it is not earning income eg holiday house, hobby farm.

If I sell land part way through the way, do I receive a part refund for the land tax that was paid?

No, but the contract for the sale of the land may allow you to recover a portion of the land tax you paid from the purchaser. This is a matter for you to negotiate with purchaser prior to signing contract.

Do I have to pay Land Tax if on the 31st December I am in the process of selling my principal place of residence by I have already purchased my new place of residence?

You may be able to claim an exemption on both properties.

Do I have to pay land tax on my newly constructed residence if it is not ready for occupancy by 31 December?

If you buy land with the intention of building your place of residence, you can claim an exemption of up to 2 years after the date of purchase if you do not own and occupy an existing place of residence.

Do I receive a rebate if my land is rented at 31 December and I occupy it as my principal place of residence?

No if the property is taxed on the taxing date (31st December) then you are liable for the full amount of land tax for that year.

Who is considered to be a land owner for land tax purposes?

Sole owners, joint owners, companies, a trustee of a trust, a beneficiary of a trust, a shareholder in a home unit company are all considered land owners for land tax purposes.
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Reply #26 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 12:54pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 12:31pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 12:05pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:38pm:
I mean who wouldn't want to substitute 120 existing taxes for one land tax ? It's just that no political party has got the balls to do anything about it because they only care about getting voted in at the next election.

People who invest in property and land are nothing more than bottom feeding parasites. They profit from doing no work and are rewarded for it !!


I dont know anyone who thinks investing in property is a good idea as there are too many taxes and the return on capital is pathetic.

We already have a "land tax" for investment properties, i was put off by the $14,000 dollar land tax bill for a property which would mean about $300 per week from the rent just to cover land tax.
Rents are outrageous because of the government land tax that has to be paid by the tennant.

When you add up land tax,rates,insurance,property management fees there is not a lot left over for the investor who then gets slugged with capital gains tax when they sell.

If you had a million dollars would it earn more just by putting it in a term deposit or would you get a better return on capital by buying a house with it to rent out ?
I know someone who recently sold a rental property and they make more from the interest than they made from rent.



That's good but they should increase land tax to 6% as that video suggests. This would discourage speculators,  hoarders and land banking.

Fortunately land tax is not paid on your principle place of residence which is fair !!

http://www.trilogygroup.com.au/articles/Land-Tax---The-Facts.html

Quote:
Land Tax is something we have written about previously this year but it is an area that we have considerable enquiries about so we thought we would provide information on the most frequently asked questions:

What is Land Tax?
It is an annual state government tax payable by the owner of the land. It is imposed in all states and ACT but not the Northern Territory. Each state and territory administers its own land tax laws. The laws are comparable between states with some variations.

Do I have to pay Land Tax on my Principal Place of Residence?
Your principal place of residence is generally exempt from land tax.

Do I have to pay land tax on property that isn’t earning any income?

Yes if your property is not exempt from land tax then it will be subject to land tax even if it is not earning income eg holiday house, hobby farm.

If I sell land part way through the way, do I receive a part refund for the land tax that was paid?

No, but the contract for the sale of the land may allow you to recover a portion of the land tax you paid from the purchaser. This is a matter for you to negotiate with purchaser prior to signing contract.

Do I have to pay Land Tax if on the 31st December I am in the process of selling my principal place of residence by I have already purchased my new place of residence?

You may be able to claim an exemption on both properties.

Do I have to pay land tax on my newly constructed residence if it is not ready for occupancy by 31 December?

If you buy land with the intention of building your place of residence, you can claim an exemption of up to 2 years after the date of purchase if you do not own and occupy an existing place of residence.

Do I receive a rebate if my land is rented at 31 December and I occupy it as my principal place of residence?

No if the property is taxed on the taxing date (31st December) then you are liable for the full amount of land tax for that year.

Who is considered to be a land owner for land tax purposes?

Sole owners, joint owners, companies, a trustee of a trust, a beneficiary of a trust, a shareholder in a home unit company are all considered land owners for land tax purposes.


The land tax on a property i looked at was $14,000 per  year.

That is almost $300 per week in land tax and you claimed investors get tax breaks!

Do you think this land tax could be the reason rents are so high?

If no investors go into housing then who are the poor people going to rent properties from?
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Reply #27 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 2:28pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 12:54pm:
The land tax on a property i looked at was $14,000 per  year.

That is almost $300 per week in land tax and you claimed investors get tax breaks!

Do you think this land tax could be the reason rents are so high?

If no investors go into housing then who are the poor people going to rent properties from?


That was the lame excuse they use to justify negative gearing but it is all one big lie. We have had negative gearing for decades and guess what we now have a rental accommodation shortage so they keep telling us Sad So the advantages of negative gearing in providing low cost rental accommodation is just one big lie !!

Most investments in property have been in recycling existing property and only 10% has gone into brand new dwellings. I hardly call that an argument in favour of the poor people looking for a reasonable place to rent !!

My advice to people like you is to stop denying someone else from owning their own home. Your greed doesn't have precedence over someone looking for a roof over their head.

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Reply #28 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 2:37pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 2:28pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 12:54pm:
The land tax on a property i looked at was $14,000 per  year.

That is almost $300 per week in land tax and you claimed investors get tax breaks!

Do you think this land tax could be the reason rents are so high?

If no investors go into housing then who are the poor people going to rent properties from?


That was the lame excuse they use to justify negative gearing but it is all one big lie. We have had negative gearing for decades and guess what we now have a rental accommodation shortage so they keep telling us Sad So the advantages of negative gearing in providing low cost rental accommodation is just one big lie !!

Most investments in property have been in recycling existing property and only 10% has gone into brand new dwellings. I hardly call that an argument in favour of the poor people looking for a reasonable place to rent !!

My advice to people like you is to stop denying someone else from owning their own home. Your greed doesn't have precedence over someone looking for a roof over their head.



If we have a rental property shortage will taxing those investors out of property increase the amount of properties for rent or take them away?

Does $14K per annum in land tax offset any gains from negative gearing?

Did rents go up when this land tax was imposed, should you blame the government or the landlord for that increase?

If there are no people investing in housing then where are these rental properties going to come from?

I am not denying anyone from owning their own home i hear losers blaming others for the fact they are renters.
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Reply #29 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 3:12pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 12:17pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 8:01am:
Damn. I had hoped you had an actual solution. Silly me. The tax sounds like the GST. Supposed to replace a bunch of existing taxes but all they did was rename them.

Not sure who the "freeloaders" are since most ppl that try to do the rent-mortgage thing have worked a long time to get the money to even try to speculate. Sounds like you are jealous to me but that is just the impression i get. You have to work so everyone else has to.

It wont effect the big property speculators. The ones that buy all the properties in an area. They are rich already. Its the ones that have just 1 "investment house" and are trying to pay it off with a mortgage but the rent doesnt cover it and they prolly are either renting where they are living now or trying to buy a 2nd house to live in. These ppl are trying to get ahead. Its not working.

SOB


The  don't complain when there is no businesses left to give your kids a job because all of the money was wasted on land deals creating absolutely nothing Sad

You reap what you sow !!

Yes and I am so jealous that we have to pay bribe money to foreign car companies to make cars for us because we only invest in junk property and not manufacturing. Yes I am very jealous of that situation Cheesy LOL


Small business is being put out of business by big business. I dont see what house investment has to do with it.

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