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A Tax Warning To Some Property Inveators.
Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:14am
 
Alarm as taxman takes interest
April 25, 2012


A NEW tax ruling sounds a warning to some of Australia's 1.5 million property investors and may cost them thousands of dollars in tax breaks, experts say.

The Australian Taxation Office has flagged it will crack down on property investors claiming deductions for interest expenses on certain types of loan arrangements.

Property owners using some or all of the rental income from an investment property to pay off their own home loan while adding the interest from the investment loan to the principal and claiming it as a deduction would come under scrutiny, accountants BDO said.


In a determination last month, the ATO said it would reject such arrangements.

''People are trying to divert all the rental income off into their home loan. That's pushing it too far and that's what the Tax Office is getting at,'' said Age columnist and tax expert Max Newnham.

The change would affect one of the ''big ticket'' items, claiming interest paid, which landlords rely on when lodging their tax return, said BDO property tax specialist Eddie Chung. ''Any loan arrangement that incorporates features that would effectively give rise to the capitalisation of interest on an investment loan while the loan repayments are used to pay down the principal of a private loan is now under the spotlight,'' he said.

Investors relying on a larger tax deduction to reduce their expenses would feel a ''real financial squeeze'', said Andrew Gardiner of the National Tax and Accountants Association.

The ATO's determination will apply retrospectively and could affect a landlord's past income and deductions, potentially costing them thousands of dollars.

Property investors should be conservative and avoid claiming deductions for any compounding interest on their investment loan, Mr Gardiner said.

It was difficult to quantify how many investors would be affected, Mr Newnham said. ''Of our clients, I'd be surprised if 10 per cent were doing it,'' he said.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/property/alarm-as-taxman-takes-interest-20120424-1xjbv.html#ixzz1sziL8w1v
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Reply #1 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:42am
 
sounds like the rich getting caught out playing silly buggers because they don't believe they should have to pay tax. All Liberal voters naturally, it's the born to rule mentality.
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Reply #2 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:38am
 
I dunno about this. the thing is these "investors" set up these things in the "good times". Now times are hard and they cant unload the properties. Stopping them from being able to pay their mortgages is going to cause some problems.

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Reply #3 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:52am
 
nairbe wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:42am:
sounds like the rich getting caught out playing silly buggers because they don't believe they should have to pay tax. All Liberal voters naturally, it's the born to rule mentality.


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Sounds more like the stupid Govt telling people how to spend their own income. Angry

Yeah real smart sticking it up property investors so they will just invest their cash somewhere else.  Roll Eyes  Less properties available for rent will just put the price of rents up.

A real good tactic ATO.... Sad

No brains and happy with out them.... Sad

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Reply #4 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:36pm
 
Swagman wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:52am:
nairbe wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:42am:
sounds like the rich getting caught out playing silly buggers because they don't believe they should have to pay tax. All Liberal voters naturally, it's the born to rule mentality.


http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz236/Maldoror_2009/bullshit.gif

Sounds more like the stupid Govt telling people how to spend their own income. Angry

Yeah real smart sticking it up property investors so they will just invest their cash somewhere else.  Roll Eyes  Less properties available for rent will just put the price of rents up.

A real good tactic ATO.... Sad

No brains and happy with out them.... Sad



Good ! Let them invest it somewhere else instead of denying others a place to live.
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Reply #5 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:39pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:36pm:
Swagman wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:52am:
nairbe wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:42am:
sounds like the rich getting caught out playing silly buggers because they don't believe they should have to pay tax. All Liberal voters naturally, it's the born to rule mentality.


http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz236/Maldoror_2009/bullshit.gif

Sounds more like the stupid Govt telling people how to spend their own income. Angry

Yeah real smart sticking it up property investors so they will just invest their cash somewhere else.  Roll Eyes  Less properties available for rent will just put the price of rents up.

A real good tactic ATO.... Sad

No brains and happy with out them.... Sad



Good ! Let them invest it somewhere else instead of denying others a place to live.


Just how are they denying people places to live?

They are investing in houses.  They are providing more places to live? Sad
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Reply #6 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:44pm
 
Swagman wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:39pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:36pm:
Swagman wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:52am:
nairbe wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:42am:
sounds like the rich getting caught out playing silly buggers because they don't believe they should have to pay tax. All Liberal voters naturally, it's the born to rule mentality.


http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz236/Maldoror_2009/bullshit.gif

Sounds more like the stupid Govt telling people how to spend their own income. Angry

Yeah real smart sticking it up property investors so they will just invest their cash somewhere else.  Roll Eyes  Less properties available for rent will just put the price of rents up.

A real good tactic ATO.... Sad

No brains and happy with out them.... Sad



Good ! Let them invest it somewhere else instead of denying others a place to live.


Just how are they denying people places to live?

They are investing in houses.  They are providing more places to live? Sad


I should correct that and say places that they can own for themselves !! Do you need a further explanation ?
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Reply #7 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:47pm
 
Quote:
Just how are they denying people places to live?

They are investing in houses.  They are providing more places to live?


True.

Pity that the average person can't afford to pay the ever increasing astronomical rents though.
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Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:44pm:
I should correct that and say places that they can own for themselves !! Do you need a further explanation ?


Yes, how do they prevent people from owning their own homes?
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Reply #9 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:58pm
 
Swagman wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:51pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:44pm:
I should correct that and say places that they can own for themselves !! Do you need a further explanation ?


Yes, how do they prevent people from owning their own homes?


The tax system favours people who own investment properties over those that just want to own one joint to live in for themselves. As such they can buy as many joints as they like and get tenants to pay it off for them with all of the tax concessions that go along with it whilst first home owners don't get those privileges. It kind of sucks doesn't it  !!
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Reply #10 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:00pm
 
Lastnail - why do you hate property investors so much????

My parents have done well out of it.

Rather than knock it, try it yourself.
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:00pm:
Lastnail - why do you hate property investors so much????

My parents have done well out of it.

Rather than knock it, try it yourself.


Because land and property speculation ruins economies and then joe battler has to go and pay for it later with his taxes Sad Do you need any examples of ruined economies ?

Why don't you invest in manufacturing like Germany does and then you could be part of one of the worlds largest export economies just like germany is Wink You won't get that out of flipping houses Wink
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Reply #12 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:11pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:58pm:
Swagman wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:51pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:44pm:
I should correct that and say places that they can own for themselves !! Do you need a further explanation ?


Yes, how do they prevent people from owning their own homes?


The tax system favours people who own investment properties over those that just want to own one joint to live in for themselves. As such they can buy as many joints as they like and get tenants to pay it off for them with all of the tax concessions that go along with it whilst first home owners don't get those privileges. It kind of sucks doesn't it  !!


There's no denying that owner occupiers have to compete with property investors and that competition can inflate housing prices and yeah some people may be excluded as a result, that's why the Govt has home buyer grants and stamp duty exemptions.

Maybe they can do more on this front but deterring property investors is not the answer.  The economy needs their investment it creates jobs so that people can earn an income to buy their own homes.
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Reply #13 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:14pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:10pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:00pm:
Lastnail - why do you hate property investors so much????

My parents have done well out of it.

Rather than knock it, try it yourself.


Because land and property speculation ruins economies and then joe battler has to go and pay for it later with his taxes Sad Do you need any examples of ruined economies ?



Well you dont have to worry anymore mate. Only the really rich ones can do it now and they come along and buy up all of it. Just 1 or 2 really rich ones. Normal ppl cant do it anymore anyway. Its not possible. And if they did it a few years ago they are in trouble now because they cant pay all the rates and taxes etc thats being heaped on them and they cant sell either and they prolly have "negatively geared" mortgages that the repayments have gone up on and they have to put up the rents to pay them.

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Reply #14 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:18pm
 
Swagman wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:11pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:58pm:
Swagman wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:51pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:44pm:
I should correct that and say places that they can own for themselves !! Do you need a further explanation ?


Yes, how do they prevent people from owning their own homes?


The tax system favours people who own investment properties over those that just want to own one joint to live in for themselves. As such they can buy as many joints as they like and get tenants to pay it off for them with all of the tax concessions that go along with it whilst first home owners don't get those privileges. It kind of sucks doesn't it  !!


There's no denying that owner occupiers have to compete with property investors and that competition can inflate housing prices and yeah some people may be excluded as a result, that's why the Govt has home buyer grants and stamp duty exemptions.

Maybe they can do more on this front but deterring property investors is not the answer.  The economy needs their investment it creates jobs so that people can earn an income to buy their own homes.


So why the downturn in the economy in Victoria ? What has happened to the great big property industry ?

And do you think the talk of the town in germany is about flipping houses to each other and chiselling money off each other in a property ponzi scheme or is it about the next new product they are going to manufacture and export to rest of the world ?

Inflating house prices is an understatement !! They should abolish negative gearing or only make it apply to brand new house and land packages only.


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