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longweekend58

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #75 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:15pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

I would think labor are likely to be decimated in 2013.
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As a result of this policy and the fact people hate it.
Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

So to try and re-gain popularity by supporting the very policy which caused you to be as popular as a case of the plague - is hardly thinking with your head screwed on.

Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

There are people who claim that their was a mandate to introduce the GST.

The biggest wack to the cost of living in an any of our lifetimes.

what a lot of wank. the GST was at its introduction, revenue-neutral. Rather than the $500 the CT compensation will get me, the GST changes reduced my income tax by over $5000.

I know you dont like the GST because it was a Howard polic, but you really need to move on. After all, it was Keating who originally proposed it.

what a lot of wank. the GST was at its introduction, revenue-neutral.

That is absolute rubbish - if it were true it would not have almost flattened the economy, stopped growth dead in its tracks and forced the RBA to drastically cut interest rates.

I know you don’t like the GST because it was a Howard polic,

I have never said I dislike the GST, I do not like that it was introduced by John Howard after promising that he would never do it and that its introduction period was going to significantly disadvantage the people who could least afford to pay extra.

The concept of a consumption tax has always been relatively sound.

I do not agree with the people who say to increase it and remove other taxes in some cases. It does target one group primarily and does not work well as the answer for every thing in the taxation sphere.

My comment about the GST was only showing that what Andrei had said about nobody ever voting to increase taxation may not be correct when people do believe that it has historically occurred in Australia.

people voted for a PACKAGE, not just the GST. many people were actually better off and very few were worst off. the majority were pretty much the same. so people DIDNT vote to increase their taxes - only to calter the way they were colelcted.

now imagine if Gillard had taken her carbon tax to an election??? and best of all, she will. the next election wil be fought and won (by abbott) ont he carbon tax.

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax Reply #76 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:19pm Governments should not be influenced by groups like the Greens and globalists, they do not represent the true interests of this nation or what is necessary.
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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #77 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:37pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

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Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

There are people who claim that their was a mandate to introduce the GST.

The biggest wack to the cost of living in an any of our lifetimes.

what a lot of wank. the GST was at its introduction, revenue-neutral. Rather than the $500 the CT compensation will get me, the GST changes reduced my income tax by over $5000.

I know you dont like the GST because it was a Howard polic, but you really need to move on. After all, it was Keating who originally proposed it.

what a lot of wank. the GST was at its introduction, revenue-neutral.

That is absolute rubbish - if it were true it would not have almost flattened the economy, stopped growth dead in its tracks and forced the RBA to drastically cut interest rates.

I know you don’t like the GST because it was a Howard polic,

I have never said I dislike the GST, I do not like that it was introduced by John Howard after promising that he would never do it and that its introduction period was going to significantly disadvantage the people who could least afford to pay extra.

The concept of a consumption tax has always been relatively sound.

I do not agree with the people who say to increase it and remove other taxes in some cases. It does target one group primarily and does not work well as the answer for every thing in the taxation sphere.

My comment about the GST was only showing that what Andrei had said about nobody ever voting to increase taxation may not be correct when people do believe that it has historically occurred in Australia.

you are starting to sound like skippy with your selective use of facts or just plain lying. the GST didnt flatten the eonomy nor did we go into recession despite the fact there was a WORLDWIDE recession at the time! There was a one-time blip in inflation (due to raised post-gst prices) and that was about it.

nor did we go into recession

Why do you continually infer that I have said things which I have never said.

the GST didnt flatten the eonomy nor did we go into recession despite the fact there was a WORLDWIDE recession

The GST was introduced in 2000 the recession impacted the USA in 2002 -2003.

Australian interest rates (RBA) dropped from 6.25% at the end of 2000 to 4.25% in Dec 2001.

There was a one-time blip in inflation (due to raised post-gst prices) and that was about it.

I agree that there was a one time blip and the world economic position didn't help but the GST introduction was certainly the major component of a very significant blip.

selective use of facts or just plain lying

It's ok to disagree with me without making accusation about honesty.

You are also more than occasionally a little selective with what you post.

I f I was going to give full explanations all the time it would take up pages, even in this post I left out the irrelivant information which you would be happy to use less than honestly that the recession in Europe was earlier. The reality is that with world economic events mostly the impact will first show in Europe then progress to the US and Australia follows. THe impact of the early 2000's recession should have been evident around 2003/4.

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