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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #60 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:12pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:03pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

I would think labor are likely to be decimated in 2013.
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As a result of this policy and the fact people hate it.
Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

So to try and re-gain popularity by supporting the very policy which caused you to be as popular as a case of the plague - is hardly thinking with your head screwed on.

Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

There are people who claim that their was a mandate to introduce the GST.

The biggest wack to the cost of living in an any of our lifetimes.

what a lot of wank. the GST was at its introduction, revenue-neutral. Rather than the $500 the CT compensation will get me, the GST changes reduced my income tax by over $5000.

I know you dont like the GST because it was a Howard polic, but you really need to move on. After all, it was Keating who originally proposed it.

The GST is a good tax as far as I'm concerned but it was never revenue neutral and as a business owner you should know the extra costs incurred to comply with the GST and that these costs were passed on to consumers. You should also know there were no taxes on services before the GST so the 10% GST was additional to previous costs to consumers. Electricity and gas went up 10% and we add a 10% GST to all our charges where as before the tax there would have been no additional tax payments for consultancy clients. Plumbers, builders, carpenters, electricians etc also had no tax on their services before the GST. The GST turned businesses into tax collectors for the govt and as such businesses passed those extra costs to consumers on top of the tax.

I understand some things went up by the full 10% but somethings were cheaper. I bought a car in 2001 that was $2700 chepaer because of the GST. and my income tax was massively reduced. Almost no credible economicts says teh GST was a bad idea. In fact, I think it was a great idea and very well implemented. I am stll bemused by that classic bit of political hypocrisy that was Keating fighted toi get a GST implemented by Labor and then when Libs proposed it, arguing against it. A very clever politician, but not one imbued with many principles.

The Libs opposed Keatings version of the GST as well so neither party is shy when it comes to playing politics for the sake of it.
I agree with you about the uneven taxation system before the GST and how many goods are cheaper while other goods and services increased in price.
Like Ive always said even when I bring up the GST..Im a fan of it and it should have come in many years before it did.

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #61 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:30pm

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:03pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

I would think labor are likely to be decimated in 2013.
.

As a result of this policy and the fact people hate it.
Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

So to try and re-gain popularity by supporting the very policy which caused you to be as popular as a case of the plague - is hardly thinking with your head screwed on.

Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

There are people who claim that their was a mandate to introduce the GST.

The biggest wack to the cost of living in an any of our lifetimes.

what a lot of wank. the GST was at its introduction, revenue-neutral. Rather than the $500 the CT compensation will get me, the GST changes reduced my income tax by over $5000.

I know you dont like the GST because it was a Howard polic, but you really need to move on. After all, it was Keating who originally proposed it.

The GST is a good tax as far as I'm concerned but it was never revenue neutral and as a business owner you should know the extra costs incurred to comply with the GST and that these costs were passed on to consumers. You should also know there were no taxes on services before the GST so the 10% GST was additional to previous costs to consumers. Electricity and gas went up 10% and we add a 10% GST to all our charges where as before the tax there would have been no additional tax payments for consultancy clients. Plumbers, builders, carpenters, electricians etc also had no tax on their services before the GST. The GST turned businesses into tax collectors for the govt and as such businesses passed those extra costs to consumers on top of the tax.

I understand some things went up by the full 10% but somethings were cheaper. I bought a car in 2001 that was $2700 chepaer because of the GST. and my income tax was massively reduced. Almost no credible economicts says teh GST was a bad idea. In fact, I think it was a great idea and very well implemented. I am stll bemused by that classic bit of political hypocrisy that was Keating fighted toi get a GST implemented by Labor and then when Libs proposed it, arguing against it. A very clever politician, but not one imbued with many principles.

The Libs opposed Keatings version of the GST as well so neither party is shy when it comes to playing politics for the sake of it.
I agree with you about the uneven taxation system before the GST and how many goods are cheaper while other goods and services increased in price.
Like Ive always said even when I bring up the GST..Im a fan of it and it should have come in many years before it did.

The ALP did themselves great harm by firstly opposing the GST and then by continuing to claim to roll it back. After it came into being most people realised that it was really quite a good thing. and remains so.

Personally I thinkt he GST shoudl be raised to 15% and the remained of the sales tax that seemed to somehoe stay around gotten rid of along with payroll tax and stamp duty. Give some partial compensatory tax cuts and welfare increases and use the balance to improve the govts income. but dont give it all to the states. They wil only waste it as they have already done. 12 years on from the GST - which greatly increased state income - and they are all worse off.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax Reply #62 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:33pm I agree..15% and roll the other taxes into it is the way to go but I doubt that will happen for a long time
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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #63 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:55pm

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:53pm:

The policy alternative to the carbon tax and ETS is Direct Action.....Wasting billions of dollars on Direct Action that has no chance of achieving anything near the cuts required and will be paid for from budget revenue will devastate the Australian economy along with the other wealthfare Abbott is proposing.....Australia cannot afford Tony Abbott and his vote buying bullshit!!!

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We are still talking about this shite doing serious loops!!!

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Hockey, and the Libs, have acknowledged the howard era as wasting the boom....

What else are we wasting I wonder??????????????

....this/these generation/generations is/are going to be looked on as the ultimate wanker generation/generations!!!

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #64 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 2:54pm

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

I agree..15% and roll the other taxes into it is the way to go but I doubt that will happen for a long time

Australia's GST should be about 17-18% and then reduce direct income tax and lengthen the brackets.

The people that get caught in the 42% bracket really shouldn't be paying that much direct income tax.

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #65 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 2:58pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 2:54pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

I agree..15% and roll the other taxes into it is the way to go but I doubt that will happen for a long time

Australia's GST should be about 17-18% and then reduce direct income tax and lengthen the brackets.

The people that get caught in the 42% bracket really shouldn't be paying that much direct income tax.

Andrei is a joke!!!

You best just go back to killing inncocent foreigners in your mind buddy!

Yeh, get back to telling yourself Americans will soon be free once again to travel and tell the world how they've got the bomb so everyone cna go a get F*(&%($!!!!

BYE BYE!!

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax Reply #66 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 3:03pm Seriously how is this crack-head not banned? He is an utter waste of bandwidth.
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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax Reply #67 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 3:14pm adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:33pm: I agree..15% and roll the other taxes into it is the way to go but I doubt that will happen for a long time why not bring it up to 20 or 30 % and scrap all other taxes except for company taxes?
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax Reply #68 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 3:16pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 3:03pm: Seriously how is this crack-head not banned? He is an utter waste of bandwidth. I originally banned him for all the reasons that are exceedingly obvious. FD over-ruled me for reasons that are anything BUT obvious.
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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #69 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 3:16pm

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 3:14pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

I agree..15% and roll the other taxes into it is the way to go but I doubt that will happen for a long time

why not bring it up to 20 or 30 % and scrap all other taxes except for company taxes?

I wouldn't necessarily have an issue with that.
It would work for me.

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #70 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 3:58pm

I started this thread about Abbott saying that he would repeal the carbon tax within 6 months of gaining office not about the GST all anything else. So if you can't debate about what the OP is about don't try to change into something else to suit yourself.

So can Abbott repeal the carbon tax within 6 months of gaining office or not

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10300 Gender:	Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax Reply #71 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:03pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 3:03pm: Seriously how is this crack-head not banned? He is an utter waste of bandwidth. I think it's worth keeping him here. He shows us the lunacy that occupies the Left. It's a great deterrent for anyone who privileges sanity in politics.
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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #72 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

I would think labor are likely to be decimated in 2013.
.

As a result of this policy and the fact people hate it.
Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

So to try and re-gain popularity by supporting the very policy which caused you to be as popular as a case of the plague - is hardly thinking with your head screwed on.

Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

There are people who claim that their was a mandate to introduce the GST.

The biggest wack to the cost of living in an any of our lifetimes.

what a lot of wank. the GST was at its introduction, revenue-neutral. Rather than the $500 the CT compensation will get me, the GST changes reduced my income tax by over $5000.

I know you dont like the GST because it was a Howard polic, but you really need to move on. After all, it was Keating who originally proposed it.

what a lot of wank. the GST was at its introduction, revenue-neutral.

That is absolute rubbish - if it were true it would not have almost flattened the economy, stopped growth dead in its tracks and forced the RBA to drastically cut interest rates.

I know you don’t like the GST because it was a Howard polic,

I have never said I dislike the GST, I do not like that it was introduced by John Howard after promising that he would never do it and that its introduction period was going to significantly disadvantage the people who could least afford to pay extra.

The concept of a consumption tax has always been relatively sound.

I do not agree with the people who say to increase it and remove other taxes in some cases. It does target one group primarily and does not work well as the answer for every thing in the taxation sphere.

My comment about the GST was only showing that what Andrei had said about nobody ever voting to increase taxation may not be correct when people do believe that it has historically occurred in Australia.

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #73 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:10pm

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I started this thread about Abbott saying that he would repeal the carbon tax within 6 months of gaining office not about the GST all anything else. So if you can't debate about what the OP is about don't try to change into something else to suit yourself.

So can Abbott repeal the carbon tax within 6 months of gaining office or not

welcome to the joys of ozpolitic. I have put up extensive OPs and not got a single response on the topic. Why shoudl you expect any different? you at least got a couple pages on topic!

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #74 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:13pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

I would think labor are likely to be decimated in 2013.
.

As a result of this policy and the fact people hate it.
Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

So to try and re-gain popularity by supporting the very policy which caused you to be as popular as a case of the plague - is hardly thinking with your head screwed on.

Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

There are people who claim that their was a mandate to introduce the GST.

The biggest wack to the cost of living in an any of our lifetimes.

what a lot of wank. the GST was at its introduction, revenue-neutral. Rather than the $500 the CT compensation will get me, the GST changes reduced my income tax by over $5000.

I know you dont like the GST because it was a Howard polic, but you really need to move on. After all, it was Keating who originally proposed it.

what a lot of wank. the GST was at its introduction, revenue-neutral.

That is absolute rubbish - if it were true it would not have almost flattened the economy, stopped growth dead in its tracks and forced the RBA to drastically cut interest rates.

I know you don’t like the GST because it was a Howard polic,

I have never said I dislike the GST, I do not like that it was introduced by John Howard after promising that he would never do it and that its introduction period was going to significantly disadvantage the people who could least afford to pay extra.

The concept of a consumption tax has always been relatively sound.

I do not agree with the people who say to increase it and remove other taxes in some cases. It does target one group primarily and does not work well as the answer for every thing in the taxation sphere.

My comment about the GST was only showing that what Andrei had said about nobody ever voting to increase taxation may not be correct when people do believe that it has historically occurred in Australia.

you are starting to sound like skippy with your selective use of facts or just plain lying. the GST didnt flatten the eonomy nor did we go into recession despite the fact there was a WORLDWIDE recession at the time! There was a one-time blip in inflation (due to raised post-gst prices) and that was about it.

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