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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax Reply #45 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:33am In Australia we paid $500 per quarter on gas and well over $350 per quarter on electricity. It's already sky high (and that was a few years ago) - why make it already more?? PS - That $850 per quarter compares to my cost in San Diego of about $380. Yet you want a tax to make that gap wider????
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Reply #46 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:37am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

In Australia we paid $500 per quarter on gas and well over $350 per quarter on electricity.

It's already sky high (and that was a few years ago) - why make it already more??

PS - That $850 per quarter compares to my cost in San Diego of about $380.
Yet you want a tax to make that gap wider????

You needed to get the meters checked unless you are running a gas fired foundry and a solarium.

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Reply #47 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:37am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

In Australia we paid $500 per quarter on gas and well over $350 per quarter on electricity.

It's already sky high (and that was a few years ago) - why make it already more??

PS - That $850 per quarter compares to my cost in San Diego of about $380.
Yet you want a tax to make that gap wider????

In Australia we pay nothing for electricity and in fact are in credit where as our gas bill averages to $150 a quarter.
There are just 2 of us at home now and our power bills are much higher in Singapore.

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Reply #48 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:39am

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:37am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

In Australia we paid $500 per quarter on gas and well over $350 per quarter on electricity.

It's already sky high (and that was a few years ago) - why make it already more??

PS - That $850 per quarter compares to my cost in San Diego of about $380.
Yet you want a tax to make that gap wider????

You needed to get the meters checked unless you are running a gas fired foundry and a solarium.

No way.
That's the cost and is what our friends paid too.
4 bedroom house with gas fired ducted heating.
That's just how much it is.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax Reply #49 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:40am Adel, you are more travelled than others on here. You would agree with me that the cost of living in Australia across the board is a lot higher than I enjoy in the United States? Yet the carbon tax is about to make that gap wider? Yes? Remember I also pay less in income tax as well.
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Reply #50 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:52am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:40am:

Adel, you are more travelled than others on here.

You would agree with me that the cost of living in Australia across the board is a lot higher than I enjoy in the United States?

Yet the carbon tax is about to make that gap wider?

Yes?
Remember I also pay less in income tax as well.

I do agree that its higher than in the USA but that also depends on where you live in the USA.
Like Ive said before there are many places cheaper to live than Australia but there are places that are more expensive as well. In my experience more expensive places to live have much higher over all standards of living and wages than cheaper places and in general the USA is an exception to the rule.
Most of my favourite places on the globe are in East and SE Asia and as a good example the cost of living and wages there varies wildly with the standard of living in each country.
The USA does worry me these days in that the lower cost of living seems to be propped up with massive levels of govt debt and this has been the case since the early 1980's so how long can the USA keep this up?

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Reply #51 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:54am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:40am:

Adel, you are more travelled than others on here.

You would agree with me that the cost of living in Australia across the board is a lot higher than I enjoy in the United States?

Yet the carbon tax is about to make that gap wider?

Yes?
Remember I also pay less in income tax as well.

You are right it is but it is also correct to point out that the position is unsustainable and a major factor in the massive US debt, it has to turn around in a big way the world can not afford to prop up the unaffordable US lifestyle forever.

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax Reply #52 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:59am and we care what a bunch of unwashed unemployed tree huggers think - why exactly again?
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Reply #53 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:32pm

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 8:40pm:

deluded

The so called deluded is exactly how liberals are going to play it and if not, then they had better.

The deluded is ANYBODY who thinks either the ALP or Greens will vote against a policy they themselves fought so hard to pass .... you say they will vote or face annihilation at a DD ... but you also say they will be annihilated at the next election ... if they are annihilated at the next election they have nothing else to loose , they know it will be at least another 8 years later before they are in the running, more than enough time to get over it... and they may even decide to give Abbott back some of his own medicine and play obstructionists ... which would serve him right.

its not delusion at all. The greens wil never do it but then they've never really taken much stock in what the majority wants. The ALP are far different. There are actually some people in the ALP that understand principle or at least understand political survival. After Abbott wins a MASSIVE majority onthe back of CT election, the ALp votes agains the repeal at their peril. The concpet of mandat is a complex one at the best of times, but when an election is fought primarily on one issues and is won in a landslide then there is no questioning the autehnticity of a mandate. If the ALP votes against the repeal against a massive landslide then they destroy only themselves. A DD will surely follow at which case the CT WILL be repealed but there will be a few less ALP senators in the chamer who ahve paid the cost of such stupidity. it could even - on a long shot - deliver senate control to the Libs.

My tip is that the ALP will pass the CT repeal. They effectively have no atlernative. the CT WILL be repealed one way or another. They only get to choose if they get crushed in the process.

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Reply #54 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:35pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

I would think labor are likely to be decimated in 2013.
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As a result of this policy and the fact people hate it.
Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

So to try and re-gain popularity by supporting the very policy which caused you to be as popular as a case of the plague - is hardly thinking with your head screwed on.

Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

There are people who claim that their was a mandate to introduce the GST.

The biggest wack to the cost of living in an any of our lifetimes.

what a lot of wank. the GST was at its introduction, revenue-neutral. Rather than the $500 the CT compensation will get me, the GST changes reduced my income tax by over $5000.

I know you dont like the GST because it was a Howard polic, but you really need to move on. After all, it was Keating who originally proposed it.

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Reply #55 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:47pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

I would think labor are likely to be decimated in 2013.
.

As a result of this policy and the fact people hate it.
Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

So to try and re-gain popularity by supporting the very policy which caused you to be as popular as a case of the plague - is hardly thinking with your head screwed on.

Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

There are people who claim that their was a mandate to introduce the GST.

The biggest wack to the cost of living in an any of our lifetimes.

what a lot of wank. the GST was at its introduction, revenue-neutral. Rather than the $500 the CT compensation will get me, the GST changes reduced my income tax by over $5000.

I know you dont like the GST because it was a Howard polic, but you really need to move on. After all, it was Keating who originally proposed it.

The GST is a good tax as far as I'm concerned but it was never revenue neutral and as a business owner you should know the extra costs incurred to comply with the GST and that these costs were passed on to consumers. You should also know there were no taxes on services before the GST so the 10% GST was additional to previous costs to consumers. Electricity and gas went up 10% and we add a 10% GST to all our charges where as before the tax there would have been no additional tax payments for consultancy clients. Plumbers, builders, carpenters, electricians etc also had no tax on their services before the GST. The GST turned businesses into tax collectors for the govt and as such businesses passed those extra costs to consumers on top of the tax.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax Reply #56 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:49pm If you cut some of the social programs and a lot of welfare, moving more to a user/individual funded system that I prefer - then you wouldn't need to capture and have so much tax.
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax Reply #57 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:51pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:49pm: If you cut some of the social programs and a lot of welfare, moving more to a user/individual funded system that I prefer - then you wouldn't need to capture and have so much tax. I agree..there is way to much welfare in this country
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Reply #58 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:55pm

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

If you cut some of the social programs and a lot of welfare, moving more to a user/individual funded system that I prefer - then you wouldn't need to capture and have so much tax.

I agree..there is way to much welfare in this country

Yep nobody has ever convinced me why I would have to pay for some bloke without a job to have free healthcare.

Here's a thought - how about you get off your arse and get yourself a job and pay for your own healthcare.

Australia panders to losers a lot more than we do in the United States.
The carbon tax and its 'compensation' to lower people is another prime example of this babying mindset which I deplore.

I have never needed help, why should others?
We rise or fall in this world off our own actions.

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Reply #59 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:03pm

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

I would think labor are likely to be decimated in 2013.
.

As a result of this policy and the fact people hate it.
Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

So to try and re-gain popularity by supporting the very policy which caused you to be as popular as a case of the plague - is hardly thinking with your head screwed on.

Nobody will ever vote to RAISE the cost of living.

There are people who claim that their was a mandate to introduce the GST.

The biggest wack to the cost of living in an any of our lifetimes.

what a lot of wank. the GST was at its introduction, revenue-neutral. Rather than the $500 the CT compensation will get me, the GST changes reduced my income tax by over $5000.

I know you dont like the GST because it was a Howard polic, but you really need to move on. After all, it was Keating who originally proposed it.

The GST is a good tax as far as I'm concerned but it was never revenue neutral and as a business owner you should know the extra costs incurred to comply with the GST and that these costs were passed on to consumers. You should also know there were no taxes on services before the GST so the 10% GST was additional to previous costs to consumers. Electricity and gas went up 10% and we add a 10% GST to all our charges where as before the tax there would have been no additional tax payments for consultancy clients. Plumbers, builders, carpenters, electricians etc also had no tax on their services before the GST. The GST turned businesses into tax collectors for the govt and as such businesses passed those extra costs to consumers on top of the tax.

I understand some things went up by the full 10% but somethings were cheaper. I bought a car in 2001 that was $2700 chepaer because of the GST. and my income tax was massively reduced. Almost no credible economicts says teh GST was a bad idea. In fact, I think it was a great idea and very well implemented. I am stll bemused by that classic bit of political hypocrisy that was Keating fighted toi get a GST implemented by Labor and then when Libs proposed it, arguing against it. A very clever politician, but not one imbued with many principles.

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