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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #15 - Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:47pm

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:26pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:17pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:10pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 8:40pm:

deluded

The so called deluded is exactly how liberals are going to play it and if not, then they had better.

The deluded is ANYBODY who thinks either the ALP or Greens will vote against a policy they themselves fought so hard to pass .... you say they will vote or face annihilation at a DD ... but you also say they will be annihilated at the next election ... if they are annihilated at the next election they have nothing else to loose , they know it will be at least another 8 years later before they are in the running, more than enough time to get over it... and they may even decide to give Abbott back some of his own medicine and play obstructionists ... which would serve him right.

Well, no, I am saying that they will/should be backed into a corner to answer the question before the election. The election that is about repealing the carbon tax or keeping it. "Will you labor, support the word of the people and vote to repeal the carbon tax if the liberals win the election'.

That will be a gem to see how labor perform with that question in the coming months to an election.

Really? If you believe everyone on here, the election is about carbon tax, mining tax, lieing, backstabbing Kevin, Batts fiasco, NBN, Peter Slipper scandal, Thompson scandal etc etc etc... and every other piece of rhetoric every repeats 24/7 ... what makes you think the elction will be about the carbon tax?

I think if Gillard is asked the question before the election, she should stick to her guns ... if he wants to make it about carbon tax do so, by the time we have an election, everyone will see that Abbott has been full of crap the whole time ... the sky won't fall down, we won't all starve, we won't all be energised to another planet or whatever other crap Abbott comes up with . Ohh, don't forget, he will at some point have to explain how he plans on paying for his promises if he gets rid of the tax ...

The question will have to be answered 'will labor support the decision by the people of Australia if liberals are elected. Will labor support the peoples opinion to repeal the carbon tax'. That is what it will be about. That will be what Abbott will be relying on to be able to repeal the tax quick smart.

What will labor's answer be.

Not to mention this will be the perfect opportuniy for the CO2 debate to go full speed, full swing. Cant wait.

I told you, I think her answer should be a definite NO ... they will not repeal the carbon tax legislation ...

Well I would love to hear it "No, I will not listen to the people of Australia, I will not support their decision to repeal the carbon tax'

That would be an awesome sound byte.

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Reply #16 - Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:53pm

The policy alternative to the carbon tax and ETS is Direct Action.....Wasting billions of dollars on Direct Action that has no chance of achieving anything near the cuts required and will be paid for from budget revenue will devastate the Australian economy along with the other wealthfare Abbott is proposing.....Australia cannot afford Tony Abbott and his vote buying bullshit!!!

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #17 - Apr 24^th, 2012 at 10:08pm

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:47pm:

Well I would love to hear it "No, I will not listen to the people of Australia, I will not support their decision to repeal the carbon tax'

That would be an awesome sound byte.

It would probably be a lot like when Abbott said he wouldn't support a carbon tax, even if it had a mandate.

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Reply #18 - Apr 24^th, 2012 at 10:14pm

NBNMyths wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 10:08pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:47pm:

Well I would love to hear it "No, I will not listen to the people of Australia, I will not support their decision to repeal the carbon tax'

That would be an awesome sound byte.

It would probably be a lot like when Abbott said he wouldn't support a carbon tax, even if it had a mandate.

Yes but what happens if it is said just before an election and that election is all about the carbon tax. Will be very interesting indeed.

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Reply #20 - Apr 24^th, 2012 at 10:41pm

The ALP must sell the Carbon Tax to the public and the best way to do that is to highlight the alternative.....Direct Action is expensive and simply will not work.....Direct Action cannot achieve the 5% reductions required under the protocol which is what matters not what Australia achieves on world wide emissions.....Direct Action will also be funded from consolidated revenue with no compensation for consumers meaning taxpayers will feel all the pain of a failed policy that cannot achieve what it is supposed to.....Wasting billions on direct Action is just plain stupid and the ALP must let the Australian people know their is no alternative to the carbon tax and ETS on offer.....It is the Carbon Tax or nothing but waste!!!

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #21 - Apr 24^th, 2012 at 11:17pm

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 10:14pm:

NBNMyths wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 10:08pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:47pm:

Well I would love to hear it "No, I will not listen to the people of Australia, I will not support their decision to repeal the carbon tax'

That would be an awesome sound byte.

It would probably be a lot like when Abbott said he wouldn't support a carbon tax, even if it had a mandate.

Yes but what happens if it is said just before an election and that election is all about the carbon tax. Will be very interesting indeed.

Looking at the latest galaxy poll, the CT has about 35% support against 59% opposed. But only 49% favour Abbott repealing it after it starts (with 44% in favour of keeping it).

I suspect that by the time any possible DD election comes around (probably a good 18 months after the CT starts), people will be used to it and the issue will not be a big deal. With people enjoying their attached compo and the sky not falling, I really don't think it will be a strong enough issue to further reduce Labor's vote. There's no such thing as a one-issue election, and I doubt that a DD would do Abbott much good. Historically, minor parties benefit from a DD because Australian's don't like having a Govt with a clear majority in both houses.

What is interesting (to me at least) is that the favour/oppose CT margin (35v59%) is almost a perfect inverse of the NBN favour/oppose ratio.

On that basis, I assume you would have to agree that the NBN has a mandate and therefore Tony should keep it? Or does public opinion only matter when you agree with it?

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #22 - Apr 24^th, 2012 at 11:22pm

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 10:41pm:

The ALP must sell the Carbon Tax to the public and the best way to do that is to highlight the alternative.....Direct Action is expensive and simply will not work.....Direct Action cannot achieve the 5% reductions required under the protocol which is what matters not what Australia achieves on world wide emissions.....Direct Action will also be funded from consolidated revenue with no compensation for consumers meaning taxpayers will feel all the pain of a failed policy that cannot achieve what it is supposed to.....Wasting billions on direct Action is just plain stupid and the ALP must let the Australian people know their is no alternative to the carbon tax and ETS on offer.....It is the Carbon Tax or nothing but waste!!!

Bob Brown kept saying that on Q&A last night. I think you're right. Most people have no idea that the Coalition policy is to give billions of dollars of taxation revenue to CO₂ emitters. The ALP need to get that message out, assuming News Ltd will let them.

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #23 - Apr 24^th, 2012 at 11:34pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

You ignore one possibility - that the ALP senateors will vote FOR the repeal. After all, with a massive mandate for Abbott it would be political suicide for them to vote against it. Abbott will force the ALP to say what they will do if he wins the election. The DD - no matter when - could decimate labor and STILL repeal the carbon tax.

See, here is the problem for labor. the CT is massively unpopular even with their own supporters. Labor runs the risk of losing a substantial number of senate votes if they say - during the election - they say they wont support a abbott mandate.

it's nowhere near as simple as you make it out to be. Firstly, you assume Gillard wont go to the polls earlier or be forced to it. An election even a couple months earlier brings all your calculations back and entire year. an election in June would see the senators take their seats mere weeks later. two rejections three months apart and the DD could be on before October 2013.

So longy tell me why the if labor loses the next election should the labor opposition help a liberal government when the liberal opposition didn't help the labor government.

and for your small brain if Gillard is force to the polls in June it can just be election for the House of Representative so Abbott will still have a hostile senate to work with.

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #24 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 9:56am

Balley Voy, Talking of diminutive determination of future events the ideal set of events would be for Slipper or Thomson to resign with a by election putting the Coalition back in control and then the Double Dissolution would quickly follow to send the loopy loony Communist Greens + any Labor dregs to Uncle Bob's Aliens.

Failing this a landslide election win for the Coalition followed by a deliberate triggering of a Double Dissolution to send the Communist Green drongos + any Labor morons down to perdition where they really belong is the next favored option.

Dream all you like and talk unreal fanciful possibilities but one of the above scenarios will actually happen for certain such is the level of venom towards Labor+Communist Greens in the Australia voting public. Try to understand you greeny weeny dreamers are just a tiny obscure ignored MINORITY and only a microscopic part of the Australian voting population and what you think and believe in means something only to yourselves. So you can continue to tingle your mighty minds with delightful delusions to sometime before 30/11/2013.

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #25 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 10:05am

juliar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 9:56am:

Balley Voy, Talking of diminutive determination of future events the ideal set of events would be for Slipper or Thomson to resign with a by election putting the Coalition back in control and then the Double Dissolution would quickly follow to send the loopy loony Communist Greens + any Labor dregs to Uncle Bob's Aliens.

Failing this a landslide election win for the Coalition followed by a deliberate triggering of a Double Dissolution to send the Communist Green drongos + any Labor morons down to perdition where they really belong is the next favored option.

Dream all you like and talk unreal fanciful possibilities but one of the above scenarios will actually happen for certain such is the level of venom towards Labor+Communist Greens in the Australia voting public. Try to understand you greeny weeny dreamers are just a tiny obscure ignored MINORITY and only a microscopic part of the Australian voting population and what you think and believe in means something only to yourselves. So you can continue to tingle your mighty minds with delightful delusions to sometime before 30/11/2013.

You liberal monkeys have been saying that ever since the last election .. repeating it endlessly won't make it happen

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #26 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 10:07am

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:47pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:26pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:17pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:10pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 8:40pm:

deluded

The so called deluded is exactly how liberals are going to play it and if not, then they had better.

The deluded is ANYBODY who thinks either the ALP or Greens will vote against a policy they themselves fought so hard to pass .... you say they will vote or face annihilation at a DD ... but you also say they will be annihilated at the next election ... if they are annihilated at the next election they have nothing else to loose , they know it will be at least another 8 years later before they are in the running, more than enough time to get over it... and they may even decide to give Abbott back some of his own medicine and play obstructionists ... which would serve him right.

Well, no, I am saying that they will/should be backed into a corner to answer the question before the election. The election that is about repealing the carbon tax or keeping it. "Will you labor, support the word of the people and vote to repeal the carbon tax if the liberals win the election'.

That will be a gem to see how labor perform with that question in the coming months to an election.

Really? If you believe everyone on here, the election is about carbon tax, mining tax, lieing, backstabbing Kevin, Batts fiasco, NBN, Peter Slipper scandal, Thompson scandal etc etc etc... and every other piece of rhetoric every repeats 24/7 ... what makes you think the elction will be about the carbon tax?

I think if Gillard is asked the question before the election, she should stick to her guns ... if he wants to make it about carbon tax do so, by the time we have an election, everyone will see that Abbott has been full of crap the whole time ... the sky won't fall down, we won't all starve, we won't all be energised to another planet or whatever other crap Abbott comes up with . Ohh, don't forget, he will at some point have to explain how he plans on paying for his promises if he gets rid of the tax ...

The question will have to be answered 'will labor support the decision by the people of Australia if liberals are elected. Will labor support the peoples opinion to repeal the carbon tax'. That is what it will be about. That will be what Abbott will be relying on to be able to repeal the tax quick smart.

What will labor's answer be.

Not to mention this will be the perfect opportuniy for the CO2 debate to go full speed, full swing. Cant wait.

I told you, I think her answer should be a definite NO ... they will not repeal the carbon tax legislation ...

Well I would love to hear it "No, I will not listen to the people of Australia, I will not support their decision to repeal the carbon tax'

That would be an awesome sound byte.

You mean like the soundbyte that we had when Abbott said no to an ETS? After all, it was what the people voted for ...

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #27 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 10:10am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

You ignore one possibility - that the ALP senateors will vote FOR the repeal. After all, with a massive mandate for Abbott it would be political suicide for them to vote against it. Abbott will force the ALP to say what they will do if he wins the election. The DD - no matter when - could decimate labor and STILL repeal the carbon tax.

See, here is the problem for labor. the CT is massively unpopular even with their own supporters. Labor runs the risk of losing a substantial number of senate votes if they say - during the election - they say they wont support a abbott mandate.

it's nowhere near as simple as you make it out to be. Firstly, you assume Gillard wont go to the polls earlier or be forced to it. An election even a couple months earlier brings all your calculations back and entire year. an election in June would see the senators take their seats mere weeks later. two rejections three months apart and the DD could be on before October 2013.

I can see it now. Abbott declares this election is about repealing the carbon tax (or keeping it) and says 'what of you labor, will you vote to repeal the carbon tax if the people vote me in'

Labor will have to say (at some point when pushed) 'we will honor the word of the people'

lol

They go against that and they are mud mud mud for a long time. I doubt they will say 'we will not honor the peoples vote'

When an election is suffiently declared on one major issue, there is no squirming around it.

it will be glorious to watch Labor squirm over this one. with the CT about as popular as the plague, they will either choose to be honourable or face a massacre at a DD.

Geezus, it's a wonder you and lolly have got any dick left for you to play with. Four years of non-stop self abuse has to be some kind of record. Which one of you pair should we nominate for the Guinness Book's "biggest wanker" section? Hmmm... tough choice... Cheesy

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Re: Timeline to repeal carbon tax
Reply #28 - Apr 25^th, 2012 at 10:19am

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 10:07am: