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Reply #15 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 7:02pm
 
red baron wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 4:16pm:
Hi Grey,. would you like to explain to the Australian Public at large just how they will not be seriously out of [pocket when the Carbon Tax comes in. The trickle of money for the 'poor villagers' is nothing compared to the way prices will rocket.

I await with baited breath.


Define 'rocket'.

But let me say this, something as a warning before you look really stoopid. The pollution charge is set at $23 a ton. How many widgets are you going to make to create a ton of carbon waste? Divide that number into $23. Now add that onto the price of your product. It's gone up by how many %? You really really need to rethink your manufacturing process.  Grin
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Reply #16 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 5:06pm
 
Grey wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 7:02pm:
red baron wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 4:16pm:
Hi Grey,. would you like to explain to the Australian Public at large just how they will not be seriously out of [pocket when the Carbon Tax comes in. The trickle of money for the 'poor villagers' is nothing compared to the way prices will rocket.

I await with baited breath.


Define 'rocket'.

But let me say this, something as a warning before you look really stoopid. The pollution charge is set at $23 a ton. How many widgets are you going to make to create a ton of carbon waste? Divide that number into $23. Now add that onto the price of your product. It's gone up by how many %? You really really need to rethink your manufacturing process.  Grin


Grey you are asking sticky questions again, i would think the next post will be abusive about left wing watermelons or something.

I was considering that my power bill will increase and beside that there will be a small trickle through most stuff whether justified or not. now i use about 6 KW per day being 540KW for the quater. Being that it is about 1kg CO2 per KW that makes 540KW for my bill. This will be an increase of about $13 a quater on my bill. So if my power company is telling me that i am going to have a 30%, which is $75 rise in my bill in the next 6 months where do they get it from and why are they blaming the ETS? I am not to sure what emissions there are to produce a ltr of fuel but i can bet the ETS will get blamed for some price gouging there to. Anyone want to put money on the prices not coming down when Abbott repeals the tax.

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Reply #17 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 5:35pm
 
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How do people not see how they are slaves to Capitalism and the small majority of the vastly rich? Do they not see that we are controlled by the very systems that they believe grant us freedom?

Our whole lives are based on borrowing money, that we have to pay back with interest to these mega rich people. To buy crap which develops  massive profits which go towards these same people. Who control our Political system because most politions are these people, in close with these people, or set up by these people.


A simple solution to which everyone has the power to avoid. Don't buy things that you don't have the money for. If you have to borrow to buy something, then expect to pay interest. No one's forcing anyone to buy fancy things.
People buy stuff because they want to. There's no grand conspiracy; people just buy what they feel they need or want.

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They control our media to brainwash us, feed us what they have made us think we want to hear. I mean how in the hell can Australians not want a mining tax. It just goes to show just how successful the brainwashing is. Most of the money generated from our mines goes overseas, and into the pockets of these mega rich people. Australians have been brainwashed to think that it is a bad thing. General Australians think it is a bad thing to tax the rich, and try and keep at least some of this money in Australia. Even though this money would probably be squandered by what ever Government is in power in any case.


Claiming people are "brainwashed" is a bad approach to an argument. For I could simply say you were brainwashed into taking the positions you do. It's a bad style of argumentation and really gets us nowhere closer to understanding an issue.

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We are over 2 trillion dollars in debt to other countries, and ultimately to these mega rich people which control the financial system and banks, international and domestic. We are slaves to these people. We buy crap we don't need to give even more money to these evil people. A lot of these items (ipods, televisions etc.) are also very useful in controlling the population, to dull us and distract us from pursuing meaningful ventures, and ultimately seeing these glaring issues and trying to push change.


Again, no one's forcing people to buy this stuff. People need to have a bit of self-control if they feel they are being exploited in this manner.
Ipods and tvs might seem to "dull and distract" people to you, but maybe the purchasers see it as meaningful entertainment.
Maybe we should leave "pursuing meaningful ventures" to those who want to do it.


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Do they think that all the money they have put into shares and property will ever return to them, to their children? No it will not. These mega rich people make a profit on all of this. It is all just a way to exert control on us and keep the minority in power.

The money lent to us from mortages is lent to us by these mega rich people from overseas. We will be paying off the interest on this for the rest of time or untill people get past their Ipods and crap which keep them brainwashed along with this corporate sickening media and do something about it.


You might have a point with mortgages, the banks do make a surprising amount in interest.
It'd probably be better if banks reinvested this money back into community projects.
But, I still don't see any of this as being "brainwashed" into people, they just accept it, and want a nice home of their own.




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Do we live in a democracy? We are controlled by these mega rich people because they control our debt. What if all that burrowed money all of a sudden stops? What will consumers do? Will the economy will just stop because it runs on burrowed money.

Thanks for reading.


People are free to not vote for the people who will keep the status quo, but they do keep voting them in. It's a democracy allright.
The Greens have anti big business views, but the voting patterns don't support their agenda. Again, people are free to democratically elect the Greens.
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Reply #18 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 5:37pm
 
<<Anyone want to put money on the prices not coming down when Abbott repeals the tax.>>
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Of course the prices won't drop. I bet if oil dropped to $50 a barrel the price at the bowser would stay the same. Once they get their greasy little hands on the money, there's no getting it back.
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Reply #19 - Apr 27th, 2012 at 3:53pm
 
WELCOME - to the machine.
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