bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 10:30am:


I cant load that site on my browser. Its prolly all flash or something and the flash is stuffed up on this puter.

Thing is I have seen crap about this coal seam gas a lot lately. Mostly for it and some against it. It was just politics though - no reasoning. I dont really know what it is though. Can someone nutshell it? What is the problem?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 11:09am:


I've seen people warning about Coal Seam Gas and its effect on Gladstone, QLD, where the LNG will be exported from.

This is very strange because there is no actual production of CSG in the area. It does suggest that there are a lot of people who don't know what they're talking about.   

You know what you can do with your petition.

The headless chook syndrome strikes again.  These are the same people who would wish to dismantle our economic system. (Neo Marxists mainly.)

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 11:17am:


Thanks

SOB

muso wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 11:45am:

CSG is just as bad and worse in some areas, such as its obvious pollution of aquifers etc..
I am suggesting we phase out these primitave methods of energy production quickly and stop sitting on our hands when it comes to renewable energy.

muso wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 11:53am:

What sensationalising?
The only sensationalising I have seen is by big business who call people who expose them loonies or whatever else

Goodbye underground aquifers, goodbye rivers.

CSG leak hits major river system

DRILLING fluid linked to a CSG project has leaked into a Queensland river that is part of the Murray-Darling Basin.

The leak occurred when contractors for coal seam gas company QGC were drilling to run a pipeline underneath the Condamine River in Queensland's southwest.

Environment Minister Andrew Powell released a statement this morning saying his department was investigating the spill but he did not say when the incident occurred or how much fluid polluted the river.

He said a limited amount of fluid seeped from the drill hole but had since been contained within a wall of sandbags and pumped out.

Drilling has stopped at the site while an investigation is underway.

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story/2012/04/28/csg-leak-hits-major-river-...

What do you see as the major dangers of coal seam gas, muso?

And are there any energy/CO2 emissions figures comparing the CO2 efficiency of coal to coal seam gas?

I'd imagine that studies of life-cycle greenhouse emissions of CSG (including extraction, pipeline transport, liquefaction, regasification, transportation and generation) would be quite problematic. I haven't been able to find one online. If you had to guess would life cycle emmissions produced be closer to 70% or 100% of the emissions produced by black coal.

Quote:


http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/gas-could-be-just-as-dirty-as-coa...

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 11:17am:


I knew it. The ABC website is riddled with factual errors 

Quote:

http://www.appea.com.au/images/stories/media/120410_abc%20admits%20website%20err...

I wonder if it will get into the mainstream media?
http://www.abc.net.au/contact/upheld/s3492127.htm

Stuff the consequences, we'll do it anyway lol

It's quite a comprehensive article so read more if you wish.
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Fracking: A dehydrated UK, watered only by capitalism

London, United Kingdom - Fracking: environmental and human destruction at its very worst. Groundwater contamination, billions of gallons of fresh water squandered, small earthquakes, toxic air emissions, reports of radiation, and not even tap water going up in flames are enough to halt the decimation of our precious countryside, in an attempt to extract copious volumes of natural gas from the unearthed, sedimentary shale rocks below.

Desperate destroyers, shielded within a self-regulating industry, think of nothing but profit as they hydraulically fracture rocks with a lethal cocktail of chemicals, sand and billions and billions of gallons of fresh water. Fracking is the latest devastating testament to how destructive capitalism has suffocated and engulfed our precious planet.

In May 2010, after entering office, Prime Minister David Cameron stood up and declared: "I want this to be the greenest government ever." That spurious statement has not been honoured. This British government has chosen to do nothing except ignore all the toxic consequences associated with the dirtiest and most invasive extraction method of natural gas.

Only after the first attempt at fracking in the UK resulted in two minor earthquakes, did the department of energy and climate change decide to commission a panel of (government led) experts to investigate hydraulic fracturing further. Published in April, the first official British report [PDF] advises ministers to allow fracking to be extended across Britain. Quite how this decision was reached is staggering, as the report is full of confusing contradictions that only highlights the risks and consequences. Key conclusions state:

    The minor earthquakes of magnitudes 2.3 and 1.5, in Blackpool, Lancashire, in April 2011 were caused by test fracks at the first British test plant.
    Further fracking will result in the same outcomes: "The similarity of the seismic events suggests this is a highly repeatable source."
    Concerns over the integrity of the wells and warnings of potential future contamination and leakage.
    A "traffic light" system should be adopted, with quakes measuring above 0.5 triggered by a red light and the process immediately stopped.

Where exactly are the concerns and warnings over the sources, provisions and volumes of precious fresh water that will be wasted and contaminated? Why is this not a fundamental concern for the British government, which urgently needs to be held to account over their inept failure to follow through on their promise "to be the greenest government ever".

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/05/2012514505415433.html?utm_conte...

Why is the river bubbling?
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Coal seam gas leak causes Condamine river to bubble?



This video released on Tuesday 29 May shows the Condamine river bubbling and claims this is due to nearby coal seam gas operations. Commentary from the video clip says that gas is measured as present at four different locations where bubbling is occurring along a 5 kilometre stretch of the river.

Lock the Gate investigators have discovered coal seam gas bubbling to the surface along a 5 kilometre stretch of the Condamine River near Chinchilla.

The gas is bubbling to the surface in at least four spots along this stretch of the river and, according to a local landowner, the coal Seam gas company operating in the area – Origin – has identified it as coal seam gas and is testing to see which of its seams it comes from.

Lock the Gate Alliance president, Drew Hutton, will be calling a media conference today at 10.30 a.m. in front of the Parliamentary Annexe to describe these findings and call for certain actions to be taken.

Mr Hutton, a former resident of Chinchilla, said that, while it was possible for methane to naturally bubble to the surface of waterways, none of the local farmers had ever heard of it happening in the Condamine River.

Also, the fact that it is occurring along several kilometres of the river would suggest it is not an isolated occurrence but a major leak and has found its way to the surface along migration pathways opened up by the de-watering of aquifers or fracking.

“I don’t think there is any doubt this extensive leak is linked to the coal seam gas drilling, and probably fracking, that is occurring in nearby wells,” Mr Hutton said.

“This is just one cut in the death-by-a-thousand cuts to the environment that will occur when we have the tens of thousands of wells across rural Queensland.”

Mr Hutton said the incident had been reported to the Mines and Environment departments by a local landowner but these departments reportedly did not want to know about it.

http://www.kateausburn.com/2012/05/29/coal-seam-gas-leak-causes-condamine-river-...