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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #60 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:47pm

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:38pm:

Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though.

You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election.

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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #61 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:52pm

MOTR wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:38pm:

Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though.

You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election.

A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word
B) it is not necssary
C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world
D) it is hated by 2/3 of people

so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion.

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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #62 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:52pm

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:06pm:

How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports.

People of Melbourne will decide in 18 month on how well Adam has done.

If he does hold on after LibLab swapping preferences, what then for the old parties.

What then as more Greens are voted in and LibLab have thrown their best shot and lost.

Will you guys then realise Greens do have the potential of tossing out the Bastards and one day forming majority government or minority governments with the Independents.

Yes, keep believing that. Get back to me when they've won even 2 lower house seats. At the moment, they are likely to have 0 after the next election.

And if this happens it will be at Labor and Liberal revealing that they are the same. Only appearing different to promote a facade of democracy.

People who flip between Lib and Lab are revealed as fools.

Fool the voters ones, shame on the old parties.

Fool the voters twice, same on the voters.

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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #63 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:54pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:30pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:13pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:06pm:

How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports.

The Libs cant win the seat but they can choose who does. I think they's prefer a labor MP they can actually negotiate with that an egotistical arrogant dimwit like Bandt.

I agree. I think that it was a mistake to preference the Greens. They admitted that, and accordingly preferenced the Greens last in the 2010 VIC election. Needless to say, they won no seats. I was completely baffled at the decision of any Liberal/National to preference the Greens ahead of Labor. I don't think that it will happen next election in any seats. Bandt does come off as a completely arrogant little narcissist. I would hate to see him in real life.

I spoke to him a few weeks after he won his seat. He is a quite unpleasant arrogant little toad. And that was pretty much what most people in the room thought as well.

Really? Poor you, I wouldn't have been able to stomach it. You can really tell how pollies would be in real life. One of my mates spoke to Oakeshott early last year. He said that he was a complete dill, and thought that he could still retain his seat. My mother met Whitlam, and said that was a pretty nice bloke.

There were about 300 people in the room and the body language made it clear that most thought he was an arrogant tool - none moreso than the (then ) Vic Labor minister sharing a podium with him. Ive spoken to other ministers and MPs before. None have been such a slimeball as this one. It was his whole 'presence'. Not a pleasant person at all.

and of course Oakeshott is a dill. 99.99% of the population agrees with that assessment.

So, he's exactly as he comes off on screen then. He has delusions of grandeur. I don't know what I am going to enjoy more next election; Oakeshott losing, Bandt losing, Swan losing, or the overall whitewash. It's going to be so good to watch. I loved watching the QLD election, and I am not even from there.

I have met several MPs, all except one were from the Coalition. Very nice and pleasant. You can just tell from tv, how they are in real life, though. It's always easy to tell.

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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #64 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:55pm

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:06pm:

How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports.

People of Melbourne will decide in 18 month on how well Adam has done.

If he does hold on after LibLab swapping preferences, what then for the old parties.

What then as more Greens are voted in and LibLab have thrown their best shot and lost.

Will you guys then realise Greens do have the potential of tossing out the Bastards and one day forming majority government or minority governments with the Independents.

Yes, keep believing that. Get back to me when they've won even 2 lower house seats. At the moment, they are likely to have 0 after the next election.

And if this happens it will be at Labor and Liberal revealing that they are the same. Only appearing different to promote a facade of democracy.

People who flip between Lib and Lab are revealed as fools.

Fool the voters ones, shame on the old parties.

Fool the voters twice, same on the voters.

you actually believe this tripe, dont you.

I thought you were just playing...

you are a true idiot's idiot.

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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #65 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:55pm

MOTR wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:38pm:

Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though.

You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election.

In YOUR opinion. Your opinion does not make it the truth. Also, if it is so great, then why did Gillard and Swan categorically rule it out before the last election?

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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #66 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:57pm

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:06pm:

How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports.

People of Melbourne will decide in 18 month on how well Adam has done.

If he does hold on after LibLab swapping preferences, what then for the old parties.

What then as more Greens are voted in and LibLab have thrown their best shot and lost.

Will you guys then realise Greens do have the potential of tossing out the Bastards and one day forming majority government or minority governments with the Independents.

Yes, keep believing that. Get back to me when they've won even 2 lower house seats. At the moment, they are likely to have 0 after the next election.

And if this happens it will be at Labor and Liberal revealing that they are the same. Only appearing different to promote a facade of democracy.

People who flip between Lib and Lab are revealed as fools.

Fool the voters ones, shame on the old parties.

Fool the voters twice, same on the voters.

Yes, whatever. Get back to me when the Greens manage even 2 federal lower house seats.

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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #67 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:59pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

MOTR wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:38pm:

Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though.

You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election.

A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word
B) it is not necssary
C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world
D) it is hated by 2/3 of people

so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion.

It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity.

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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #68 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:00pm

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:57pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:06pm:

How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports.

People of Melbourne will decide in 18 month on how well Adam has done.

If he does hold on after LibLab swapping preferences, what then for the old parties.

What then as more Greens are voted in and LibLab have thrown their best shot and lost.

Will you guys then realise Greens do have the potential of tossing out the Bastards and one day forming majority government or minority governments with the Independents.

Yes, keep believing that. Get back to me when they've won even 2 lower house seats. At the moment, they are likely to have 0 after the next election.

And if this happens it will be at Labor and Liberal revealing that they are the same. Only appearing different to promote a facade of democracy.

People who flip between Lib and Lab are revealed as fools.

Fool the voters ones, shame on the old parties.

Fool the voters twice, same on the voters.

Yes, whatever. Get back to me when the Greens manage even 2 federal lower house seats.

Why, who are you when you are home.

Greens mission is to change the world, not to keep pretend Greens supporters who lie at every corner entertained.

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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #69 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:01pm

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

MOTR wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:38pm:

Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though.

You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election.

A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word
B) it is not necssary
C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world
D) it is hated by 2/3 of people

so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion.

It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity.

Cmon we all know abbott is a puppet like the rest of him, he has no credibility or intergrity like all politicans at his level

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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #70 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:01pm

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

MOTR wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:38pm:

Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though.

You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election.

A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word
B) it is not necssary
C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world
D) it is hated by 2/3 of people

so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion.

It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity.

True, Matty, but what's Mr Abbott's stance on animal welfare?

The Libs have been a bit quiet on that front lately.

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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #71 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:02pm

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

MOTR wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:38pm:

Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though.

You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election.

A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word
B) it is not necssary
C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world
D) it is hated by 2/3 of people

so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion.

It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity.

Only way Abbott can remove Australia from climate action is by putting his head in the sand.

Climate inaction by Abbott will destroy Australia's agriculture.

And so destroy the National Party.

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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #73 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:23pm:

I wonder why no body bothers to make comprehensive OPs any more. This is on its 6th pageand not one person has even posted on topic.

every single poster has reverted to type, adopted their usual position without a single reference whatsoever to the actual topic.

it is beyond pointless.

Followed your lead of dumbing down.

D'oh !i

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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #74 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:50pm

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

MOTR wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:38pm:

Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though.

You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election.

A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word
B) it is not necssary
C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world
D) it is hated by 2/3 of people

so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion.

It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity.

I'm not saying he absolutely won't repeal it, he might be unlucky enough to gain control of the senate and then feel politically compelled to repeal the tax. What I'm saying is that sooner or later this country will have a price on carbon and all Abbott is doing is stalling our shift to the new economic paradigm. If we are lucky he might bring forward the ETS in lieu of the tax. Thereby maintaining some semblance of economic responsibility while technically maintaining his commitment to the Australian Public.

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