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Reply #15 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:56pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:39pm:
____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:35pm:
As much as losing Bob as a leader is a blow, it is an opportunity.


Can see 20% plus in primary as a target that is achievable.

Yes, I realise there will be some that disagree. Probably as much as I disagree with people's views, such as the propagator of this thread.


Time will tell. And rather than chase tails, I will focus my attention where all Greens supporters attention should be. Educate the wider community on Greens economic credentials.

i.e Greens Senate replacement for Bob. Candidates like David Whish-Wilson.




and as usual, you have no roadmap to acheive that 'vision'. If you cannot capture any of the near quarter of labor voters that have abandoned them, where else to you expect to get votes?




Going after Labor voters is a defeatist attitude.

Christine Milne's vision to obtain greater support in rural and regional Australia is a fantastic vision and a viable path to obtaining 20 plus percent.


Coal Seam Gas, Foreign Ownership of Agricultural Land, G.M Crops, Acidification of ocean and soil, AGW, Free Dental Scheme, Nuclear and Waste,  VFT, Lifting the dole by $50 a week.

All these policies and more will make inroads into Liberal and National vote.

Greens have already started replacing Labor as 2nd in currently held coalition seats. With Christine at the helm, we can and we must start taking coalition seats.
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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #16 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:00pm
 
____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:56pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:39pm:
____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:35pm:
As much as losing Bob as a leader is a blow, it is an opportunity.


Can see 20% plus in primary as a target that is achievable.

Yes, I realise there will be some that disagree. Probably as much as I disagree with people's views, such as the propagator of this thread.


Time will tell. And rather than chase tails, I will focus my attention where all Greens supporters attention should be. Educate the wider community on Greens economic credentials.

i.e Greens Senate replacement for Bob. Candidates like David Whish-Wilson.




and as usual, you have no roadmap to acheive that 'vision'. If you cannot capture any of the near quarter of labor voters that have abandoned them, where else to you expect to get votes?




Going after Labor voters is a defeatist attitude.

Christine Milne's vision to obtain greater support in rural and regional Australia is a fantastic vision and a viable path to obtaining 20 plus percent.


Coal Seam Gas, Foreign Ownership of Agricultural Land, G.M Crops, Acidification of ocean and soil, AGW, Free Dental Scheme, Nuclear and Waste,  VFT, Lifting the dole by $50 a week.

All these policies and more will make inroads into Liberal and National vote.

Greens have already started replacing Labor as 2nd in currently held coalition seats. With Christine at the helm, we can and we must start taking coalition seats.


so you want to replaced the failed LAbor-voter experiment and replace it with an impossible Liberal experiment??

enjoy your failure. I know I will.
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Reply #17 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:03pm
 
Simply by announcing a focus on rural seats she makes the Nationals deliver more than they have!!

Alll rivers flow into the sea....
sustainablity
is where it has to go one way or the other so morally THE GREENS WIN THE ARGUMENT.

THIS IS CALLED THE MORAL LAW: it logically should lead to an increase in votes all things staying the same, but they won't as the Nats will be forced to make changes and changes they will make as the threat is very real!!

THE GAME IS PLAYING ITSELF,... CHRISTINE WILL GAIN A REPUTATION FOR MAKING THINGS COME TOGETHER AS A CONSEQUENCE.  Wink Wink
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Reply #18 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:04pm
 
Piers Akerman lifts the lid on the Communist Greens garbage tin and describes the smelly rotting contents.

Toxic legacy is all Brown leaves behind

Piers Akerman The Sunday Telegraph April 15, 2012 12:00AM

THERE have been acres of newsprint and hours of air time given to Greens leader Bob Brown's exit from the Senate, but not much attention to his party's policies.

Reading the eulogistic panegyrics emitted since Brown announced his June departure, a stranger might think a saintly guru had ascended to heaven, leaving his people better for his time among them.

The reality is vastly different.

While the younger Brown might have been responsible for some environmental victories, the older Brown has been a disaster for the futures of those most likely to have been brought up on the Green brand of snake oil.

Brown's movement wants to halt the march of civilisation and demolish the foundations of our liberal democracy, starting by outlawing the use of the cheap fossil fuels which empowered the masses, liberating them from the tiresome toil of cottage crafts.

It has been able to achieve a far greater influence on the nation than its numbers warrant because of the continuing decline of the Labor Party.


A strong ALP would never have tolerated the Greens manifesto but straitened times make for strange bedfellows and Labor is now wedded to a party that, like a female praying mantis, will ultimately destroy it.

The recent Queensland state election delivered a message to Labor that its leaders seem determined to ignore: the Greens are poison to the young, more aspirational voters.

Young tradies, who would normally have voted Labor, would not have a bar of their preferred party because of its alliance with the Greens, and while Labor's vote plummeted, the Greens' vote also went backward or stagnated at best.

Only in inner urban areas where tradies are regarded as exotic creatures and bicycles are the preferred mode of transport, did the Greens poll well.

Young Australians, with an eye on their future welfare, know that Labor has been pushed by the Greens to accommodate the unpalatable carbon dioxide tax based on pricing carbon at an outlandish $23 a tonne, more than double the global price.

They know, too, that Labor's weakened border security policy, which has seen more than 590 asylum seekers arrive in the past two weeks (and more than 60 almost lose their lives attempting to make the passage) is a sop to the Greens.

The young Green voters, far from the mining fields where the wealth of the nation is being won from the earth, are either on the dole or in jobs safe from destructive Green policies.

The Greens are not in Canberra bringing honesty to politics, they are practising their own brand of politics, blackmailing Labor into accepting policies which have caused Labor voters to turn away from their party.

To the Greens, voters are just a source of funds for improbable schemes. While Brown and his acolytes project a touchy-feely image, gushingly regurgitated in the homages paid to Brown in the past 36 hours, the Greens are working as assiduously as any saboteur to destroy the Australian economy.

Explore, if you will, the Green fantasy that green jobs can provide Australia with the economic muscle to survive the next wave of economic stability. It is totally implausible.

Green jobs have not sustained an economy anywhere. Green power is unnecessarily expensive power.

The carbon dioxide tax _ which was marketed to well-meaning fools through a ferocious and fallacious scare campaign as a means of reducing the global temperature - will do nothing of the kind.

It will have no impact on global weather but it will sound a death knell for thousands of small businesses around Australia and further crash confidence inthe economy.


It doesn't take much imagination to see what would happen if the Greens ever succeeded in closing all existing coal mines and coal-fired power stations, as they hope to, according to their policy manifesto.

Their desire to ban all exploration, mining and export of uranium would also kill off attempts by other nations to switch to a cleaner fuel source.

Their position on national security is just as ridiculous. Recall Brown's hysterical outburst when US President George Bush Jr visited Parliament in 2003, and his support of former jihadi David Hicks?

The Greens want to scrap our alliance with the US entirely if it cannot be bent to the prescriptive UN's treaty obligations and they want to cut defence spending and restrict or prohibit naval visits.

Domestically, they would like to see a new level of personal income tax set at 50 per cent and they want the vote given to 16-year-olds.

This is not a grown-up political party, this is a sandpit full of two-year-olds whining for gratification.

Brown may have quit the party now because of concerns about the level of internal rancour.

It is no secret that under Lee Rhiannon, nee Brown and formerly O'Gorman, who used to edit the Soviet-sponsored Stalinist newspaper Survey, the NSW Greens have become a radical anti-Semitic band at odds with Bob Brown's direction.

Leaving his deputy Christine Milne to try to bring the NSW Trotskyites under control is an easy out for Brown, who no doubt wished to step down while his party was still enjoying its greatest period of influence since it started in the late '80s.


The polls would indicate that after holding its numbers, it is beginning to slide.

Brown's own rambling speech about one-world parliaments and intergalactic conversations may seem a joke, but it is indicative of the loopy other-worldliness that infects Green supporters _ the aged activists attempting to hide their decline with thinning ponytails, the middle-aged housewives nodding to the mantra of the ABC's committed Leftists, the inner urbane activists and the dread-locked extremists.

The challenge is for Labor to exact something from Brown's exit that might convince its wandering voters it stands for something and is not just a vehicle to serve the Greens' insane agenda.

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Phil of Castle Hill Posted at 2:52 PM April 15, 2012
agreed Piers. The Greens are the biggest threat to the Australian way of live since WW2. The biggest lie peddled by both Green and Labor is the cornucopia of green jobs that will mythically arise once the evil, rotten jobs in industry are gotten rid of. We keep hearing about these jobs, but they are never decribed as to what they actually are. We do, I must admit, occassionally hear about jobs installing solar panels and wind farms, but it is never explained as to where the subsidies will come from to make this employment sustainable. I am also worried about the Greens dream of the one world governement where Australia must handover our sovereign rights to this global governement where as they say, there is one vote per person. So on this basis we will be handing over our right to self-determination to China and India. At best, the Greens intellectually are junior high-school standard.

John Morgan Posted at 2:13 PM April 15, 2012
Never did a thing for battlers or working families!

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/piers-akerman-toxic-legacy-is-all-...

Hey Skippy another bucket of manure.
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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #19 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:07pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:00pm:
____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:56pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:39pm:
____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:35pm:
As much as losing Bob as a leader is a blow, it is an opportunity.


Can see 20% plus in primary as a target that is achievable.

Yes, I realise there will be some that disagree. Probably as much as I disagree with people's views, such as the propagator of this thread.


Time will tell. And rather than chase tails, I will focus my attention where all Greens supporters attention should be. Educate the wider community on Greens economic credentials.

i.e Greens Senate replacement for Bob. Candidates like David Whish-Wilson.




and as usual, you have no roadmap to acheive that 'vision'. If you cannot capture any of the near quarter of labor voters that have abandoned them, where else to you expect to get votes?




Going after Labor voters is a defeatist attitude.

Christine Milne's vision to obtain greater support in rural and regional Australia is a fantastic vision and a viable path to obtaining 20 plus percent.


Coal Seam Gas, Foreign Ownership of Agricultural Land, G.M Crops, Acidification of ocean and soil, AGW, Free Dental Scheme, Nuclear and Waste,  VFT, Lifting the dole by $50 a week.

All these policies and more will make inroads into Liberal and National vote.

Greens have already started replacing Labor as 2nd in currently held coalition seats. With Christine at the helm, we can and we must start taking coalition seats.


so you want to replaced the failed LAbor-voter experiment and replace it with an impossible Liberal experiment??

enjoy your failure. I know I will.



There was never a Labor experiment, or a planned Coalition experiment.

Greens will make inroads as in lifting the Dole.

Regional areas are most at economic risk from high unemployment and jobs. So lifting the dole will lift up these families, above the poverty line. Also the extra dole payments will be spent within townships and so help to keep these towns going until Greens can introduce the next wave of our plan.
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Reply #20 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:09pm
 
Typical of the unfounded irrational bile which constantly spew’s out of Piers.

It seems that most conservatives lack any sense of grace or decency
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Re: What now for the Greens?
Reply #21 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:11pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:03pm:
Simply by announcing a focus on rural seats she makes the Nationals deliver more than they have!!

Alll rivers flow into the sea....
sustainablity
is where it has to go one way or the other so morally THE GREENS WIN THE ARGUMENT.

THIS IS CALLED THE MORAL LAW: it logically should lead to an increase in votes all things staying the same, but they won't as the Nats will be forced to make changes and changes they will make as the threat is very real!!

THE GAME IS PLAYING ITSELF,... CHRISTINE WILL GAIN A REPUTATION FOR MAKING THINGS COME TOGETHER AS A CONSEQUENCE.  Wink Wink




Christine will win support in the bush. Just the attack by the CSG industry along with the old parties, the rural voter can use the Greens to fight this attack.

All Greens require in the near future is more attention on educating voters on our economic ability.
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Reply #22 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:13pm
 
What's next, TONY ABBOTTS EXPOSE?
  Embarrassed  Huh  Roll Eyes  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #23 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:24pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:35pm:
MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:26pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:21pm:
Kat wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:19pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:17pm:
Give them time, closer to the election more than likely and they will start to implode with extremist rhetoric and leadership taunts.



You mean like the crap spouted by Abbott's rabbits?


Its a bit hard to compete with pro-soviet comments and anti-semitism.


Neither of which are true.


do you want to pretend that Lee Rhiannon is neither?


She is unquestionably not an anti-Semite. As for pro- Soviet comments, coming from a prominent communist family it is clearly possible. However, there is nothing that she has said, or done, in her political career that even remotely suggests she is a Stalinist or indeed an advocate of communism. If anything her political life's work has been to promote transparency in government.

There is nothing I have heard her say that is remotely anti-Semetic or complimentary of the Soviet system. Few of us have our political philosophies perfectly formed by the time we leave home. To condemn Lee for the views held by her family is like holding a child of Catholic faith responsible for the crimes of the Catholic Church.
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Reply #24 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:31pm
 
____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:35pm:
As much as losing Bob as a leader is a blow, it is an opportunity.


Can see 20% plus in primary as a target that is achievable.

Yes, I realise there will be some that disagree. Probably as much as I disagree with people's views, such as the propagator of this thread.


Time will tell. And rather than chase tails, I will focus my attention where all Greens supporters attention should be. Educate the wider community on Greens economic credentials.

i.e Greens Senate replacement for Bob. Candidates like David Whish-Wilson.



The more you educate, the more you push people away. Best stick with your rhetoric and falacy word games like 'progressive'
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Reply #25 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:44pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:31pm:
____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:35pm:
As much as losing Bob as a leader is a blow, it is an opportunity.


Can see 20% plus in primary as a target that is achievable.

Yes, I realise there will be some that disagree. Probably as much as I disagree with people's views, such as the propagator of this thread.


Time will tell. And rather than chase tails, I will focus my attention where all Greens supporters attention should be. Educate the wider community on Greens economic credentials.

i.e Greens Senate replacement for Bob. Candidates like David Whish-Wilson.



The more you educate, the more you push people away. Best stick with your rhetoric and falacy word games like 'progressive'




13% in the last poll, up from 11.8 at the last election.

We haven't lost our core.
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Reply #26 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm
 
I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit.

It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor.
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Reply #27 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:50pm
 
juliar wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:04pm:
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Hey Skippy another bucket of manure.

You really need to stop thinking of yourself as manure ,MEL. Your low self esteem just encourages you to use more sox and make even more outrageous claims than you ever did under the mellie tag.
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Reply #28 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm
 
matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm:
I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit.

It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor.




All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised.

No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens.
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Reply #29 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm
 
____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm:
matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm:
I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit.

It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor.




All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised.

No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens.


Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA?
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