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Reply #45 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:02pm
 
matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:35pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 11:26am:
Skippy - do you think she can turn it around?

I personally don't think she can.


Andrei, yet another lie, she is not on 35%, she is on 28%, just as neither Keating nor Howard were on 43-57 two weeks before an election.

You must feel very embarrassed I've exposed your lies again,mel, embarrassed and stupid. Grin Grin I have to give it to you for being stupid enough to stick by your lies on the very page I've exposed them,ROTFLMAO at ya, mellie. Grin Grin Grin Grin
Actually, I was wrong, and so are you,mellie, Labors  poll number was 32%, here's the link,mellie. Grin Grin
Of course that doesn't change the fact you lied and were wrong about Keating and Howard, why I provided links, to show you up as the liar you are. Grin Grin Grin
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/
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Reply #46 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:29pm
 
Federal Labor vote near Queensland lows: Newspoll.

MATTHEW FRANKLIN, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT The Australian March 27 2012.


LABOR hopes that voter contempt for its brand is confined to Queensland have been shattered by the latest Newspoll, which shows the party's national support has plunged close to the record lows returned in the weekend's election rout.

The latest Newspoll survey reveals that federal Labor's primary support has dropped three percentage points to 28 per cent in the past fortnight just one point above the 26.9 per cent figure achieved in its devastating loss in Queensland.

With Labor's support now at its lowest point since last September, the Coalition's primary vote has climbed four points to 47 per cent and now sits about three percentage points short of the vote the Queensland Liberal National Party achieved in its victory over Anna Bligh's government.

The Newspoll, conducted exclusively for The Australian over the weekend, reveals voter satisfaction with Julia Gillard improved. However, it also found the Coalition extended its commanding two-party-preferred lead over Labor to 57 per cent against 43 per cent in the fortnight when the Prime Minister successfully pushed the mining tax through the Senate. Two weeks earlier, the Coalition led Labor by 53 per cent to 47 per cent.


The poll, taken across the nation among 925 respondents, emerged yesterday amid an intense debate about whether Labor's Queensland electoral disaster might be repeated in next year's federal election.

With the LNP stripping Labor of 43 seats at the weekend and reducing its parliamentary representation to single figures, former Queensland premier Peter Beattie warned on Sunday that federal Labor must shift course or face annihilation in the northern state in the federal poll.

Labor's primary-vote slide represents the first time its vote has fallen below 30 per cent since October after reaching a record low of 26 per cent in mid-September.

The government's primary vote has plunged seven percentage points in the past month wiping out most of the gains Ms Gillard secured in the final months of last year and the early months of this year.

If the latest Newspoll results were reflected on election day, Labor would be trounced, with its primary vote now 10 percentage points below the support it attracted in the 2010 election, in which it failed to secure a majority of seats in the House of Representatives.

Labor's fall came despite Labor celebrations last week over the March 19 passage of the minerals resource rent tax, set to raise $10.6 billion in its first three years.

Ms Gillard lauded the vote as evidence of her ability to negotiate difficult legislation through the Senate. When questioned about whether she believed she could win Senate approval for proposed business tax cuts to be funded from the MRRT, she told journalists that they frequently "scoffed" at her ability to steer legislation through passage and was entitled to "go (look at the) scoreboard".

The MRRT legislation also included an increase in the superannuation guarantee from 9 per cent to 12 per cent.

While the government celebrated this change, it came under heavy attack from business groups, which said employers would have to bear the $20bn-a-year cost, prompting Superannuation Minister Bill Shorten to declare workers would fund most of the increase through deferred pay rises.

The latest Newspoll found the Greens primary vote stood at 11 per cent down one point from the March 9-11 survey.

Despite Labor's losses, Ms Gillard's personal popularity increased, with voter satisfaction with her performance up three percentage points to 31 per cent as her dissatisfaction rating fell four points to 58 per cent.

Thirty-two per cent of voters were satisfied with Tony Abbott's performance, unchanged from a fortnight earlier, and 58 per cent were dissatisfied.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/federal-labor-vote-near-queensl...
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Reply #47 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:37pm
 
matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:29pm:
Federal Labor vote near Queensland lows: Newspoll.

MATTHEW FRANKLIN, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT The Australian March 27 2012.


LABOR hopes that voter contempt for its brand is confined to Queensland have been shattered by the latest Newspoll, which shows the party's national support has plunged close to the record lows returned in the weekend's election rout.

The latest Newspoll survey reveals that federal Labor's primary support has dropped three percentage points to 28 per cent in the past fortnight just one point above the 26.9 per cent figure achieved in its devastating loss in Queensland.

With Labor's support now at its lowest point since last September, the Coalition's primary vote has climbed four points to 47 per cent and now sits about three percentage points short of the vote the Queensland Liberal National Party achieved in its victory over Anna Bligh's government.

The Newspoll, conducted exclusively for The Australian over the weekend, reveals voter satisfaction with Julia Gillard improved. However, it also found the Coalition extended its commanding two-party-preferred lead over Labor to 57 per cent against 43 per cent in the fortnight when the Prime Minister successfully pushed the mining tax through the Senate. Two weeks earlier, the Coalition led Labor by 53 per cent to 47 per cent.


The poll, taken across the nation among 925 respondents, emerged yesterday amid an intense debate about whether Labor's Queensland electoral disaster might be repeated in next year's federal election.

With the LNP stripping Labor of 43 seats at the weekend and reducing its parliamentary representation to single figures, former Queensland premier Peter Beattie warned on Sunday that federal Labor must shift course or face annihilation in the northern state in the federal poll.

Labor's primary-vote slide represents the first time its vote has fallen below 30 per cent since October after reaching a record low of 26 per cent in mid-September.

The government's primary vote has plunged seven percentage points in the past month wiping out most of the gains Ms Gillard secured in the final months of last year and the early months of this year.

If the latest Newspoll results were reflected on election day, Labor would be trounced, with its primary vote now 10 percentage points below the support it attracted in the 2010 election, in which it failed to secure a majority of seats in the House of Representatives.

Labor's fall came despite Labor celebrations last week over the March 19 passage of the minerals resource rent tax, set to raise $10.6 billion in its first three years.

Ms Gillard lauded the vote as evidence of her ability to negotiate difficult legislation through the Senate. When questioned about whether she believed she could win Senate approval for proposed business tax cuts to be funded from the MRRT, she told journalists that they frequently "scoffed" at her ability to steer legislation through passage and was entitled to "go (look at the) scoreboard".

The MRRT legislation also included an increase in the superannuation guarantee from 9 per cent to 12 per cent.

While the government celebrated this change, it came under heavy attack from business groups, which said employers would have to bear the $20bn-a-year cost, prompting Superannuation Minister Bill Shorten to declare workers would fund most of the increase through deferred pay rises.

The latest Newspoll found the Greens primary vote stood at 11 per cent down one point from the March 9-11 survey.

Despite Labor's losses, Ms Gillard's personal popularity increased, with voter satisfaction with her performance up three percentage points to 31 per cent as her dissatisfaction rating fell four points to 58 per cent.

Thirty-two per cent of voters were satisfied with Tony Abbott's performance, unchanged from a fortnight earlier, and 58 per cent were dissatisfied.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/federal-labor-vote-near-queensl...

Quoting OLD polls wont help you mel, that is a MARCH POLL, the link I provided is a APRIL POLL, I'm sure you know that, but I point that out for everyone else to expose your deceitfulness. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #48 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:50pm
 
matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:37pm:
MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:12pm:
I've been thinking for quite sometime that Gillard will be replaced but not before the carbon tax is bedded down and [url]not before it's too late to replace Abbott.[/url] A strategy that may help hold some ground but not avert defeat.

I think Gillard knows this but has not given up hope of building Labor's support to a level where she can be considered a viable leader. I can't help but think her support of Carr might have been partly motivated by a desire to nobble  Smith. Good luck to her.


Please explain the bold part.

As to the rest of your post, Gillard is delusional enough to think that she may win the election, and I don't see how bringing in Carr could keep Smith at bay.


While Gillard remains as leader and Abbott continues to successfully prosecute the charge she cannot be trusted, Abbott's liabilities are not such an issue. A clean skin PM (which Rudd could never be) will deny Abbott of his trump card and perhaps focus the electorate on his own integrity and obvious failings. The closer the Labor leadership change is to the election, the more difficult it will be for the Liberals to change leaders. I don't think there is any doubt on either side of politics that a Turnbull led Coalition would romp it in at the next election. That's not to say that won't happen under Abbott, but his unpopularity with the electorate makes him more vulnerable against a Gillardless ALP.

The most likely clean skin is Smith in my mind. Denying him the Foreign Affairs portfolio limits his profile and keeps him in a ministry which is giving him some grief. Just a thought.
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Reply #49 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm
 
Get Rid Of That Disgraceful Lying Woman!

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Reply #50 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:59pm
 
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We know, Whitey. Let Gillard soak up the venom, then switch.
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Reply #51 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:03pm
 
MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:37pm:
MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:12pm:
I've been thinking for quite sometime that Gillard will be replaced but not before the carbon tax is bedded down and [url]not before it's too late to replace Abbott.[/url] A strategy that may help hold some ground but not avert defeat.

I think Gillard knows this but has not given up hope of building Labor's support to a level where she can be considered a viable leader. I can't help but think her support of Carr might have been partly motivated by a desire to nobble  Smith. Good luck to her.


Please explain the bold part.

As to the rest of your post, Gillard is delusional enough to think that she may win the election, and I don't see how bringing in Carr could keep Smith at bay.


While Gillard remains as leader and Abbott continues to successfully prosecute the charge she cannot be trusted, Abbott's liabilities are not such an issue. A clean skin PM (which Rudd could never be) will deny Abbott of his trump card and perhaps focus the electorate on his own integrity and obvious failings. The closer the Labor leadership change is to the election, the more difficult it will be for the Liberals to change leaders. I don't think there is any doubt on either side of politics that a Turnbull led Coalition would romp it in at the next election. That's not to say that won't happen under Abbott, but his unpopularity with the electorate makes him more vulnerable against a Gillardless ALP.

The most likely clean skin is Smith in my mind. Denying him the Foreign Affairs portfolio limits his profile and keeps him in a ministry which is giving him some grief. Just a thought.


Sorry, I put the wrong marker around what I intended to bold.

Yes, I see your point about Smith. However, he is tainted due to that whole Kafer affair. Everyone knows that Gillard reshuffled due to her own self-interests, and not to that of the people.

As to your Tunbull-Abbott remark, Turnbull was not that popular when he was leader. He was only on 17%. I don't think that it will make a scrap of difference who is leader of either party next election, people have just stopped listening to them, and are livid that this undemocratic carbon tax is being foisted upon them. Putting in another leader, and replacing Gillard, may not make the loss so brutal, though. You can be absolutely guaranteed that there will be a new leader by year's end. Most likely, but not definitely, Crean or Shorten. There is no way that Labor would parachute Carr into a seat just so that he could become PM. Certainly not Banks, which Labor hols by a big whopping 1.45%.
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Reply #52 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:07pm
 
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Certainly not Banks, which Labor hols by a big whopping 1.45%.

OR Blaxland, which they hold by a tiny 30%,hey mel. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #53 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:09pm
 
Of course Smith was tainted by the Kafer affair. The right wing peanut gallery made certain of that. They know he would be a threat as PM.

Besides the peanut gallery most Australians would agree that Kafer's call to proceed with a disciplinary hearing against the young female cadet on an unrelated and minor alcohol issue at the same time was, "stupid", "inappropriate, insensitive and wrong".

"I don't resile one iota from anything I said or did at the time," and nor should you Mr. Smith.

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Reply #54 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:13pm
 
MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:09pm:
Of course Smith was tainted by the Kafer affair. The right wing peanut gallery made certain of that. They know he would be a threat as PM.


I know that you lefties try to blame everything on the opposition, and Mr Abbott especially, but it's not going to fly. Smith is responsible for his own actions.
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Reply #55 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:19pm
 
MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:59pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm:


We know, Whitey. Let Gillard soak up the venom, then switch.

The ALP cannot be forgiven for putting people like Gillard & Bob Carr in positions of authority - it is just too much corruption and betrayal of trust. Angry
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Reply #56 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:36pm
 
matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:13pm:
MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:09pm:
Of course Smith was tainted by the Kafer affair. The right wing peanut gallery made certain of that. They know he would be a threat as PM.


I know that you lefties try to blame everything on the opposition, and Mr Abbott especially, but it's not going to fly. Smith is responsible for his own actions.


So you are backing Kafer on this one. What part of allowing the character of the potential innocent victim of an alleged serious sexual abuse to be brought into play, doesn't  deserve to be described as "stupid", "inappropriate, insensitive and wrong".
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Reply #57 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:33pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 11:08am:
No.


but you are just an idiot as show by your expansive post.
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Reply #58 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:36pm
 
you labor supporters are sometimes stupider that I thought possible. Some of the comments here are beyond stupid. The only chancge labor has to salvage some seats fromt eh electoral train wreeck heading their way is to dump Gillard. They cant win, but they sure can lose by less.
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Reply #59 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:42pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:36pm:
you labor supporters are sometimes stupider that I thought possible. Some of the comments here are beyond stupid. The only chancge labor has to salvage some seats fromt eh electoral train wreeck heading their way is to dump Gillard. They cant win, but they sure can lose by less.


Since Labor are no chance, no need for a protest vote then, hey Longy.  Wink
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