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Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:23pm
 
Now that the well-known Bob Brown, up until now, sole and only ever leader of the Greens, has retired, is it safe to say that the Greens are headed for extinction, the same way that the Democrats did, when their leader, Don Chipp, retired? One thing that has become perfectly apparent over the last year or so, is that the Greens' vote is stagnant, and contrary to what the left-wing spin doctors and fanciful, delusional daydreamers may want to believe, they are not gaining votes anywhere, well, at least nowhere significant enough to matter.

What I would like to know, is why, in light of the entire backlash against Labor, why the Coalition is picking up the vast, vast majority of the disaffected and dissatisfied former Labor vote? We saw it in NSW (2011), and QLD (2010). Labor's vote didn't even reach 30% in either state election, yet the Greens won a solitary seat in NSW (in which the Liberals received the highest primary vote, and the Greens only scraped through on Labor preferences), and coming nowhere near close to even a second place in any seat in QLD. In fact, their best performance was 20.5% in one seat, a 3% drop from their 2009 result. The Greens are nowhere close to having any seats in VIC, SA, WA or the NT. They only have seats in TAS and the ACT because of the way that the voting systems work there.

It will be interesting to see how the Greens' vote goes in the next federal election. With the Liberal party and Labor party arranging a preference deal to put the Greens in last position on how to vote cards, the Greens will not retain their solitary Lower House seat, and with protest voters realising that a vote for the Greens is a vote for Labor, and therefore redundant, and in fact, also realising the dangers the Greens have caused to our country and economy (just watch your electricity bill rise by who knows how much come July 1, from the carbon tax that they have forced Labor to implement, and which we were promised would never happen). Food, water and petrol bills will also astronomically rise, because of this redundant, ineffective, undemocratic and economy-destroying carbon tax. It’s all economic pain, with no environmental gain. Perhaps this is the real reason that Bob Brown retired; knowing that his party faces oblivion, the same way that the Labor party does, and that we face a few decades of Coalition government. Then again, Brown wouldn't be a Green if he had that kind of logic, sense, and insight.
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Re: The Greens - headed for extinction?
Reply #1 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:34pm
 
[quote]Now that the wll-known Bob Brown, up untl now, sole and only ever leader of the Greens, has retired, is it safe to say that the Greens are headed for extinction, the same way that the Democrats did, when their leader, Don Chipp, retired?[/quote]
At least your ignorance is consistent,matty.
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Reply #2 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm
 
Greens are still the progressive voice of politics.

Still support equality, ethics and sustainable policies.

Still support polices the old parties are scared of.

If Greens in New Zealand can currently poll 17%, Greens in Australia can and will break through the 20% primary.



Why, because if they don't, who will protect the things we all require to sustain a decent lifestyle.

Greens existence is non negotiable.
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Reply #3 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:46pm
 
____ wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm:
Greens are still the progressive voice of politics.

Still support equality, ethics and sustainable policies.

Still support polices the old parties are scared of.

If Greens in New Zealand can currently poll 17%, Greens in Australia can and will break through the 20% primary.



Why, because if they don't, who will protect the things we all require to sustain a decent lifestyle.

Greens existence is non negotiable.


Are you referring to the same equality that wants to see business with Israel banned and to give the Palestinians a state without any consideration whatsoever to the security of Israel? Oh, that equality!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #4 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:48pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:46pm:
____ wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm:
Greens are still the progressive voice of politics.

Still support equality, ethics and sustainable policies.

Still support polices the old parties are scared of.

If Greens in New Zealand can currently poll 17%, Greens in Australia can and will break through the 20% primary.



Why, because if they don't, who will protect the things we all require to sustain a decent lifestyle.

Greens existence is non negotiable.


Are you referring to the same equality that wants to see business with Israel banned and to give the Palestinians a state without any consideration whatsoever to the security of Israel? Oh, that equality!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

You mean give the Palestinians some of THEIR land back,Tony's office girl??????
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Reply #5 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:51pm
 
skippy. wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:48pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:46pm:
____ wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm:
Greens are still the progressive voice of politics.

Still support equality, ethics and sustainable policies.

Still support polices the old parties are scared of.

If Greens in New Zealand can currently poll 17%, Greens in Australia can and will break through the 20% primary.



Why, because if they don't, who will protect the things we all require to sustain a decent lifestyle.

Greens existence is non negotiable.


Are you referring to the same equality that wants to see business with Israel banned and to give the Palestinians a state without any consideration whatsoever to the security of Israel? Oh, that equality!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

You mean give the Palestinians some of THEIR land back,Tony's office girl??????


You really are stupid, aren't you? It's not just an act, is it? I'm male, you moron!
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Reply #6 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:52pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:51pm:
skippy. wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:48pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:46pm:
____ wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm:
Greens are still the progressive voice of politics.

Still support equality, ethics and sustainable policies.

Still support polices the old parties are scared of.

If Greens in New Zealand can currently poll 17%, Greens in Australia can and will break through the 20% primary.



Why, because if they don't, who will protect the things we all require to sustain a decent lifestyle.

Greens existence is non negotiable.


Are you referring to the same equality that wants to see business with Israel banned and to give the Palestinians a state without any consideration whatsoever to the security of Israel? Oh, that equality!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

You mean give the Palestinians some of THEIR land back,Tony's office girl??????


You really are stupid, aren't you? It's not just an act, is it? I'm male, you moron!

sure you are. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #7 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:54pm
 
skippy. wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:52pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:51pm:
skippy. wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:48pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:46pm:
____ wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm:
Greens are still the progressive voice of politics.

Still support equality, ethics and sustainable policies.

Still support polices the old parties are scared of.

If Greens in New Zealand can currently poll 17%, Greens in Australia can and will break through the 20% primary.



Why, because if they don't, who will protect the things we all require to sustain a decent lifestyle.

Greens existence is non negotiable.


Are you referring to the same equality that wants to see business with Israel banned and to give the Palestinians a state without any consideration whatsoever to the security of Israel? Oh, that equality!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

You mean give the Palestinians some of THEIR land back,Tony's office girl??????


You really are stupid, aren't you? It's not just an act, is it? I'm male, you moron!

sure you are, you whine like a little bitch.


Actually, I'm not whining. I'm preparing a post-election party for when Abbott and the Coalition wipe the floor with the incompetent Labor Party and the insane Greens. Very much looking forward to that night. Oh and as much as I'd enjoy rubbing your nose in it, no - you're not invited!  Smiley
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Reply #8 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:57pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:54pm:
skippy. wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:52pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:51pm:
skippy. wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:48pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:46pm:
____ wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm:
Greens are still the progressive voice of politics.

Still support equality, ethics and sustainable policies.

Still support polices the old parties are scared of.

If Greens in New Zealand can currently poll 17%, Greens in Australia can and will break through the 20% primary.



Why, because if they don't, who will protect the things we all require to sustain a decent lifestyle.

Greens existence is non negotiable.


Are you referring to the same equality that wants to see business with Israel banned and to give the Palestinians a state without any consideration whatsoever to the security of Israel? Oh, that equality!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

You mean give the Palestinians some of THEIR land back,Tony's office girl??????


You really are stupid, aren't you? It's not just an act, is it? I'm male, you moron!

sure you are, you whine like a little bitch.


Actually, I'm not whining.   :

Wow, you do great impressions.
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Reply #9 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 1:01pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:46pm:
____ wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm:
Greens are still the progressive voice of politics.

Still support equality, ethics and sustainable policies.

Still support polices the old parties are scared of.

If Greens in New Zealand can currently poll 17%, Greens in Australia can and will break through the 20% primary.



Why, because if they don't, who will protect the things we all require to sustain a decent lifestyle.

Greens existence is non negotiable.


Are you referring to the same equality that wants to see business with Israel banned and to give the Palestinians a state without any consideration whatsoever to the security of Israel? Oh, that equality!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



Referring to your opinion Greens and banning Israeli business, I take it you are just exaggerating for effect.

Because Australian Greens do not support the BDS.

And the BDS is a non violent boycott to pressure, not to ban.

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Reply #10 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 1:02pm
 
____ wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 1:01pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:46pm:
____ wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm:
Greens are still the progressive voice of politics.

Still support equality, ethics and sustainable policies.

Still support polices the old parties are scared of.

If Greens in New Zealand can currently poll 17%, Greens in Australia can and will break through the 20% primary.



Why, because if they don't, who will protect the things we all require to sustain a decent lifestyle.

Greens existence is non negotiable.


Are you referring to the same equality that wants to see business with Israel banned and to give the Palestinians a state without any consideration whatsoever to the security of Israel? Oh, that equality!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



Referring to your opinion Greens and banning Israeli business, I take it you are just exaggerating for effect.

Because Australian Greens do not support the BDS.

And the BDS is a non violent boycott to pressure, not to ban.



NSW Greens do and the boycott is based on biased, racist, uninformed nonsense.
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Reply #11 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 1:43pm
 
____ wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm:
Greens are still the progressive voice of politics.

Still support equality, ethics and sustainable policies.

Still support polices the old parties are scared of.

If Greens in New Zealand can currently poll 17%, Greens in Australia can and will break through the 20% primary.



Why, because if they don't, who will protect the things we all require to sustain a decent lifestyle.

Greens existence is non negotiable.


Delusional until the bitter end.
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Reply #12 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 1:57pm
 
20 years young and released to the world by our father figure.

And what a fantastic foundation this young adult political party has had.

Greens are more that their founder. No disrespect to Bob and his partner. They both deserve the best life can now bring them.

Once again, Bob has revealed he has perfect timing.

Now it's time for the Australian Greens to make our own way in the world.

And I for one am very excited.


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Reply #13 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 3:09pm
 
i think bob's decision was based on the legal requirement for all parties to nominate their senators for another 6 year term prior to the next fed. election.   bob said that, at the age of 67, it was time to step aside for younger applicants.

i will miss him in the green party, but he will still be around, and continue to grow in influence and stature.

i'm also excited about christine m. and the future of the greens, other progressive parties and independents in our parliaments.

in my opinion, i see the old labor and liberal parties as relevant to the last century and the industrial age.  its obvious that they are confused about how deal with the very different challenges of this century, and are also terrified of change.  and change is inevitable.



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Reply #14 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 4:45pm
 
kika wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 3:09pm:
i think bob's decision was based on the legal requirement for all parties to nominate their senators for another 6 year term prior to the next fed. election.   bob said that, at the age of 67, it was time to step aside for younger applicants.

i will miss him in the green party, but he will still be around, and continue to grow in influence and stature.

i'm also excited about christine m. and the future of the greens, other progressive parties and independents in our parliaments.

in my opinion, i see the old labor and liberal parties as relevant to the last century and the industrial age.  its obvious that they are confused about how deal with the very different challenges of this century, and are also terrified of change.  and change is inevitable.





You can think that if you want, but all of us here in the real world know why he quit. He was jumping ship before forced to walk the plank by an electorate fed up to the gills with the insane policies and incompetence of this minority Labor/Greens government and in particular, opposition to the carbon and mining taxes!
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