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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26592 Australia	ACTA Apr 10^th, 2012 at 4:08pm Yeah its already signed Further reading Thing is we werent consulted (as the people) and this "agreement" is behind the laws and attitude of the govt towards internet that we will be seeing form now on. ISPs forced to spy on their users and other draconian pieces of legislation are either underway or already implemented. SOB
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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: ACTA Reply #1 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 4:12pm Freedom is not a fair price for 'safety'
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: ACTA Reply #2 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 6:45pm Signing ACTA was a crime. No more, no less.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26592 Australia	Re: ACTA Reply #3 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 6:48pm Kat wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 6:45pm: Signing ACTA was a crime. No more, no less. Yeah. I dunno if abbott would try to change anything if he were in power either. Its already done. He would just continue the push towards whatever they are pushing towards. Its not just internet privacy either its medical supplies and stuff as well. SOB
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: ACTA Reply #4 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 6:48pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 4:12pm: Freedom is not a fair price for 'safety' It never was, PP, but they seem to think it's OK nowadays. I tend to disagree with that. The right to freedom should always take precedence over the desire for safety. No matter what.
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Re: ACTA
Reply #5 - Apr 11^th, 2012 at 8:21am

Kat wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 4:12pm:

Freedom is not a fair price for 'safety'

It never was, PP, but they seem to think it's OK nowadays.

I tend to disagree with that.

The right to freedom should always take precedence over the desire for safety.

No matter what.

Wel my question is what can we do about it? As far as I know ACTA doesnt come into effect until Europe signs. We cant really influence that though. Then after that we get all the new laws that make us compliant with it.

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Re: ACTA
Reply #6 - Apr 11^th, 2012 at 9:53am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 8:21am:

Kat wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 4:12pm:

Freedom is not a fair price for 'safety'

It never was, PP, but they seem to think it's OK nowadays.

I tend to disagree with that.

The right to freedom should always take precedence over the desire for safety.

No matter what.

Wel my question is what can we do about it? As far as I know ACTA doesnt come into effect until Europe signs. We cant really influence that though. Then after that we get all the new laws that make us compliant with it.

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Good question, the answer:
Not much.

Stopping something like acta would take a lot of people standing up and saying enough is enough.
But considering how lazy we all are and how most of our population has been brainwashed into thinking that standing up for your freedoms is something only 'poofters' or 'hippies' would do we don’t have much chance.

ACTA is only one brick of a large wall the government is building to isolate the public from its freedoms over the other side.
It’s already too tall to climb and they are aiming for the sky.

ACTA is a bill which will develop over time, a bill like this never gets passed in its entirety, they will add on bits here and there over the years.

It scares me how compliant people are.

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Re: ACTA
Reply #7 - Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:12am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 8:21am:

Kat wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 4:12pm:

Freedom is not a fair price for 'safety'

It never was, PP, but they seem to think it's OK nowadays.

I tend to disagree with that.

The right to freedom should always take precedence over the desire for safety.

No matter what.

Wel my question is what can we do about it? As far as I know ACTA doesnt come into effect until Europe signs. We cant really influence that though. Then after that we get all the new laws that make us compliant with it.

SOB

Good question, the answer:
Not much.

Stopping something like acta would take a lot of people standing up and saying enough is enough.
But considering how lazy we all are and how most of our population has been brainwashed into thinking that standing up for your freedoms is something only 'poofters' or 'hippies' would do we don’t have much chance.

ACTA is only one brick of a large wall the government is building to isolate the public from its freedoms over the other side.
It’s already too tall to climb and they are aiming for the sky.

ACTA is a bill which will develop over time, a bill like this never gets passed in its entirety, they will add on bits here and there over the years.

It scares me how compliant people are.

This is the scariest thing about ACTA. It isnt a bill really its a "trade agreement" which will be behind all the legislation to come. It creates the "need" for it. Its firggin scary is what it is.

"freedoms is something only 'poofters' or 'hippies' would do we don’t have much chance."

Heh nobody wants to be called "rent-a-crowd"

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Re: ACTA
Reply #8 - Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:15am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 8:21am:

Kat wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 4:12pm:

Freedom is not a fair price for 'safety'

It never was, PP, but they seem to think it's OK nowadays.

I tend to disagree with that.

The right to freedom should always take precedence over the desire for safety.

No matter what.

Wel my question is what can we do about it? As far as I know ACTA doesnt come into effect until Europe signs. We cant really influence that though. Then after that we get all the new laws that make us compliant with it.

SOB

Good question, the answer:
Not much.

Stopping something like acta would take a lot of people standing up and saying enough is enough.
But considering how lazy we all are and how most of our population has been brainwashed into thinking that standing up for your freedoms is something only 'poofters' or 'hippies' would do we don’t have much chance.

ACTA is only one brick of a large wall the government is building to isolate the public from its freedoms over the other side.
It’s already too tall to climb and they are aiming for the sky.

ACTA is a bill which will develop over time, a bill like this never gets passed in its entirety, they will add on bits here and there over the years.

It scares me how compliant people are.

The Americans have finally awoken to the danger, and are
fighting back against this sort of BS, with some success.

Meanwhile, we simply sit here and take it up the ass as usual.

I dunno........

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Re: ACTA
Reply #9 - Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:21am

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The Americans have finally awoken to the danger, and are
fighting back against this sort of BS, with some success.

Meanwhile, we simply sit here and take it up the ass as usual.

I dunno........

Even they are so far away from change tho, they fought of sopa and pipa but now have another bill even more restrictive coming in.
The government is probably toying with them.

We don’t even ask for lube or dinner.

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Re: ACTA
Reply #10 - Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:25am

The Americans have finally awoken to the danger, and are
fighting back against this sort of BS, with some success.

Meanwhile, we simply sit here and take it up the ass as usual.

ACtually yeah. the americans have woken up to it but too late imo. They are fighting the aftermath the SOPA and PIPA and the newest one CISPA. They are going to keep coming with this because Obama signed ACTA some time ago without congress approval. They knew about it but they couldn't do anything about it (congress).

The americans are almost as powerless as us against it imo. Its going to come in on the back of something irrelevant in the end but it will come in unless something drastic is done.

ACTA is under the guise of "anti counterfeiting" and completely misleading.

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Reply #11 - Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:28am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:21am:

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The Americans have finally awoken to the danger, and are
fighting back against this sort of BS, with some success.

Meanwhile, we simply sit here and take it up the ass as usual.

I dunno........

Even they are so far away from change tho, they fought of sopa and pipa but now have another bill even more restrictive coming in.
The government is probably toying with them.

We don’t even ask for lube or dinner.

Lol. We posted @ the same time. Yeah I agree thier govt is prolly toying with them. They will do what they want to do just like ours. And the UK is even worse from what I have seen lately.

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Reply #12 - Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:33am

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Lol. We posted @ the same time. Yeah I agree thier govt is prolly toying with them. They will do what they want to do just like ours. And the UK is even worse from what I have seen lately.

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They know that they don’t stand a chance in hell, unless they launch an armed revolution.
All the governments scare me shytless now.
The dictatorship is becoming obvious, the chains are becoming visible.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26592 Australia	Re: ACTA Reply #13 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 5:52pm Apparently CISPA has been passed now. Link to a random article about it Cant say I understand exactly how yank politics work but this isnt good @ any rate. SOB
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Reply #14 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 6:35pm

> Signing ACTA was a crime. No more, no less.

Quite true, but only one amongst a plethora. I'll stick in my two cents worth here. As a long-time FOSS/Linux user I'm well acquainted with issues about online freedom. The Electronic Frontiers Foundation (EFF) does most of the leg-work here, but it's worth knowing about two other things that are major obstacles to what the GDG is after: IPv6 and the DNS.

These are complex technical issues, but can be explained simply for those interested. A useful simplification would be to say that the ideal First Attack would be to impose geographical borders on the Inet, but DNS makes this difficult, as does the IPv4 currently in use. IPv6 should have been here by now, and one reason it's not is probably because they're trying to figure out how to f**k you with it.

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