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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Israel uproots 30000 Bedouins. Apr 6^th, 2012 at 5:49am Beer-Sheva, Israel - "It is not every day that a government decides to relocate almost half a per cent of its population in a programme of forced urbanization." http://www.international.to/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5744:up...
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Israel uproots 30000 Bedouins. Reply #1 - Apr 6^th, 2012 at 6:35am The people of Israel were chosen to be a terrorist nation.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 121206 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Israel uproots 30000 Bedouins. Reply #2 - Apr 6^th, 2012 at 12:30pm Poor people. They should leave them alone.
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Reply #3 - Apr 6^th, 2012 at 12:49pm

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In some cases, Bedouin were already living where the town was built, but the large majority of the Bedouin were relocated once again and moved into these Bedouin-only towns. Some did it of their own volition, while others were forced. The price that most families had to pay for their own displacement was hefty: renouncing the right to large portions of their land and giving up their rural way of life.

For many years following the establishment of each town, the Bedouin residents were not allowed to hold democratic elections and their municipalities were run by Jewish officials from the Ministry of Interior. The towns also rapidly turned into over-crowded townships, with dilapidated infrastructure and hardly any employment opportunities. Currently, all seven townships, which are home to about 135,000 people, are ranked one on the Israeli socio-economic scale of one (lowest) to ten (highest), and are characterised by a high unemployment, high birth rates and third-rate education institutions.

Can anyone say 'ghetto?'

The Israelis should know better.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Israel uproots 30000 Bedouins. Reply #4 - Apr 6^th, 2012 at 4:55pm Many do. I've heard numerous Jews speak and write passionately about the sins of Zionism and the harm it is doing to the spirit of the Jewish people.
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Reply #5 - Apr 6^th, 2012 at 5:00pm

MOTR wrote on Apr 6^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Many do. I've heard numerous Jews speak and write passionately about the sins of Zionism and the harm it is doing to the spirit of the Jewish people.

The jews oppress the smart ones so much that you hardly ever hear about them tho.
Its not so hard to see how many jews actually opose everything Israel does on the internet tho.

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Reply #6 - Apr 6^th, 2012 at 5:58pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

MOTR wrote on Apr 6^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Many do. I've heard numerous Jews speak and write passionately about the sins of Zionism and the harm it is doing to the spirit of the Jewish people.

The jews oppress the smart ones so much that you hardly ever hear about them tho.
Its not so hard to see how many jews actually opose everything Israel does on the internet tho.

I'm not sure how much it's got to do with intelligence. Smart people can be incredibly ruthless.

My question for Avram is what influence does national service have on the political opinions of young Israelis.

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Reply #7 - Apr 7^th, 2012 at 11:03am

MOTR wrote on Apr 6^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

MOTR wrote on Apr 6^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Many do. I've heard numerous Jews speak and write passionately about the sins of Zionism and the harm it is doing to the spirit of the Jewish people.

The jews oppress the smart ones so much that you hardly ever hear about them tho.
Its not so hard to see how many jews actually opose everything Israel does on the internet tho.

I'm not sure how much it's got to do with intelligence. Smart people can be incredibly ruthless.

My question for Avram is what influence does national service have on the political opinions of young Israelis.

Well someone who supports the war probably doesn’t have as much analytical intelligence as someone who doesn’t. But I wasn’t really trying to make a point on smart people.

It is a good question, did he answer?

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Israel uproots 30000 Bedouins. Reply #8 - Apr 7^th, 2012 at 3:46pm Not yet. You'd think in that type of organization there must be a degree of indoctrination.
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Reply #9 - Apr 7^th, 2012 at 3:56pm

MOTR wrote on Apr 7^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Not yet. You'd think in that type of organization there must be a degree of indoctrination.

It is guaranteed,
An effective army needs indoctrination of hatred for the enemy, anger, oppressed emotion and even belittling by higher ranks.
In fact it’s actually a liability not to condition soldiers.
In ww1 and before it was worked out that a lot of soldiers would actually fire over the enemy because they did not want to kill a person.

There is no doubt that Avram has a high level of bias, it’s not his fault tho. Almost everyone has a bias for the place they grow up in, if they have been conditioned in an army this bias is even greater.

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Reply #10 - Apr 7^th, 2012 at 6:45pm

MOTR wrote on Apr 6^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

My question for Avram is what influence does national service have on the political opinions of young Israelis.

My apologize for late of response to your question but i was observe the Jewish Shabbat with extra day too for allowance of not be in Israel.

National services does have influence but this is not so because of what army is tell us but opinions is change because of experiences with Palestinians.

You know me, i grows up in Tel Aviv which is not so much in the troubles and is more peace. But when is national services i can be in Golan, West Bank, Gaze and so on so on.

Then i deals with Palestinians everyday and you know you has opinions change of peoples who throw rocks to you and try to shoot to you and also bring you into open air so is sniper shots.

Before maybe i has not much opinions on Palestinians so then after i start think they are not nice and they have so hatred to me for no reasons.

I am still not so strong of warlike opinions. I voted for Ehud Barak last time and he is more peace man than Netanyahu (he gets votes from many Russian imigrant to Israel and from Religion Orthodoxes).

But no the army is not political doctrine, there is no classes. You know that is why we do not have orthodox in the army because is they will not be able to be secular like i am.

So yes opinions is change but is more because of behavior of Palestinians to me than is army do or say.

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GoddyofOz Gold Member Offline Vote 1 for Sex, cause you're gay if you don't Posts: 2397	Re: Israel uproots 30000 Bedouins. Reply #11 - Apr 7^th, 2012 at 6:51pm And just when you think they couldn't go too far.... Anybody getting a great sense of irony out of all this?
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Israel uproots 30000 Bedouins. Reply #12 - Apr 7^th, 2012 at 6:55pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 6^th, 2012 at 6:35am: The people of Israel were chosen to be a terrorist nation. This is a most silly thing to says.
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Israel uproots 30000 Bedouins. Reply #13 - Apr 7^th, 2012 at 7:34pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 7^th, 2012 at 6:55pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 6^th, 2012 at 6:35am: The people of Israel were chosen to be a terrorist nation. This is a most silly thing to says. Not really..modern Israel does rely on terrorising innocent people to keep control over the occupied lands.
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Cofgod Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 693 Bolton, Great Britain Gender:	Re: Israel uproots 30000 Bedouins. Reply #14 - Apr 7^th, 2012 at 10:01pm So Israel plans on moving 30,000 Bedouin away from their primitive "villages" in the desert which have no amenities to government-authorized villages connected to power and water lines? I can't see a problem here.
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