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Reply #60 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:56am

But quite frankly, a lot of MD's are not exactly the ant's pants either, and my own Doctor keeps asking my hubby (when he goes to get his script of Naprosyn) how I am doing, as he hasn't seen me in a while.

Well, I only go to Doctors when I want a diagnosis, then it's up to me to decide which way I want to take it.

See...choice....informed choices (not out of fear)...that is what I meant by knowledge is power, we give power back to ourselves, not give it away for someone else to decide on your fate.

I like to weigh the cons and pros.

My closest soul friend of over 42 years, is now suffering with cancer and going through the usual channels of chemo etc etc etc. After 6 months, she is still in fear and feels ill.
Now she asks me for help, what foods, or other treatments are there.

I give her all the information she can peruse, so she can do more for herself. This is called "PAT" = Point At Tools.

Nothing worse than having little knowledge and going along blindly by the pharma companies recommendation.

You know what my husband said a couple of days ago, when other cancer cures were in the process (there was a show on TV about a young man whose dad was some biochemist or something and had some alternative treatment for his son and it worked).
Well, imagine how much money and business the pharma and medical establishment would lose when other cancer cures can come to the fore.
Whew, would hate to think eh?

(Look up Dr. John Holt, and Stanislaw Burzynski to name a few brilliant people who have been black banned by the big pharma and medical establishements, and worse. )

But oops sorry, this is a different topic, I got carried away,

back to vaccines topic.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: FDA: Vaccines still contain Mercury Reply #63 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:55am bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:56am: muso wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:53am: You think that's worse than the risk of Polio? Well yes in the sense that people are profiting off vaccinations. People also make profit from cancer treatments. Do we denounce them too?
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Reply #64 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:06pm

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Burzynskis a quack and a fraud

I have watched 2 whole videos of how they tried to shut him down (fda etc). for 20 years, and then they did the trials and mucked it about (on purpose), which only proved to discredit Stanislaw's work. Oh they rule the roost don't they, the Government and the FDA etc Roll Eyes

And only their reports are valid, because they say so? Because we are brainwashed into thinking so?
Walls of conformity they adhere to.

One needs to see the whole story to then make a comparison.

So, you don't say the others are quacks then?
Dr. John Holt, whom has an unconventional way to treat cancer not approved by the medical establishment blah blah.

Let me tell you something, my friend Margaret, she was diagnozed with cancer, and was recommended radiation treatment and said she will have a survival rate of approx 5 years....she did this treatment just once, and she told me , "It burnt me!" and never went back, and pursued a quest for alternatives in cancer healing, to which she lasted 20 years, instead of the usual 5 years with chemo etc.
I learnt much from my valuable friendship with Margaret, blessed I am.

She passed away, in her 70's.

She never suffered the ill effects that chemo etc have on people and looked well without too much suffering, unlike my mother in law, only lasted 4 years (it is not a treatment that makes you live longer, it only makes you suffer longer Cry

) She looked and suffered horribly.

Too bad back in the 1980's I had little knowledge of 'alternatives' or other ways to help, and only found out about Ian Gawler, for instance, much later.

But I suppose he is a quack too? Roll Eyes

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Reply #65 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:12pm

You cannot argue the benefits the world has seen through vaccination & immunisation programs that have greatly reduced or rid us of diseases like Small Pox, Polio, Diptheria, Measles, Mumps, Pertussis (Whooping Cough),Tetanus, Tuberculosis & more.

That there have been some who have had serious reaction & damage has been a low risk worth taking.

The trouble with all the parents who are now not immunising/vaccinating their children is that they are creating a generation of unresistant children.... & some of the more serious diseases which we thought were long gone are making a comeback.

These parents are riding on the back of those who have gone before & made those terrible diseases a thing of the past .... & live in a false sense of security.

Personally I think they are some what irresponsible .... & I hope their children don't contract something that is preventable through vaccination.

An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure.

I can bet that many here & around the country who are anti-vaccination for their children live in communities & cities where their public water supply is (so called) fluoridated.

Why aren't you jumping up & down about that?

The substance used to "fluoridate" your water comes from one of the most toxic substances on the planet... FLUORINE.

The actual chemical they use is Hexafluorsiliic Acid which is an industrial (Aluminium & Fertilizer Industries) waste product that is also contaminated with lead, arsenic, cadmium & an amount of radioactive isotopes.

It's mainly sourced from China.(That should be enough to scare you).

There has been no conclusive proof presented by pro-fluoridists since this mass medication/poisoning through public water supplies since it began in the early 1950's that oral ingestion helps prevent tooth decay or that it is safe for the rest of the body & organs.

So are all you anti-vaccers drinking your daily dose of Fluoride? Grin

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Reply #66 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:54pm

If we're going to have people who won't vaccinate their children, we should gather them together in one place, introduce the real diseases and watch what happens. Children crippled by polio, adult men sterilised by mumps, children scarred by chicken pox, babies born with birth defects to mothers who caught rubella while pregnant, babies dying from whooping cough and other deaths from various preventable communicable diseases.

Many people living in Australia today have never met anyone who has been crippled by polio. I have: I once met someone who was in his 60s and had to wear a leg brace all his life as a consequence of the polio he caught as a child. This gentleman acquired a lifelong disability from a preventable illness. For more insight into what polio can do, find out what iron longs are and which patients were most likely to need them.
(Iron lung ward filled with polio patients, Rancho Los Amigos Hospital, California, 1953)

We do not really see these morbidities and mortalities much any more because widespread vaccination has erased these consequences from the memory of the broader public. Vaccination has been so successful that we have forgotten why we need to vaccinate.

Vaccination can eradicate diseases. The last case of Smallpox was in 1977 and certified as eradicated in 1979, the cattle disease rinderpest was declared eradicated in 2011. These were eradicated by vaccination. With a concerted vaccination effort, polio may be eradicated within the next 10 to 20 years.

Vaccination is not completely without risk. It can have complications, but so does the disease that vaccination prevents. Which risk is greater - the risk from vaccination with a weakened form of the disease or the risk of acquiring the wild form of the disease with its full virulence? How do we know that someone who experiences complications from vaccination would not have experienced complications if they caught the wild disease instead?

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Re: FDA: Vaccines still contain Mercury
Reply #67 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 1:15pm

Sophia wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

Let me tell you something, my friend Margaret, she was diagnozed with cancer, and was recommended radiation treatment and said she will have a survival rate of approx 5 years....she did this treatment just once, and she told me , "It burnt me!" and never went back, and pursued a quest for alternatives in cancer healing, to which she lasted 20 years, instead of the usual 5 years with chemo etc.
I learnt much from my valuable friendship with Margaret, blessed I am.

She passed away, in her 70's.

She never suffered the ill effects that chemo etc have on people and looked well without too much suffering, unlike my mother in law, only lasted 4 years (it is not a treatment that makes you live longer, it only makes you suffer longer Cry

) She looked and suffered horribly.

Too bad back in the 1980's I had little knowledge of 'alternatives' or other ways to help, and only found out about Ian Gawler, for instance, much later.

But I suppose he is a quack too? Roll Eyes

Let me tell you something. Survival rates aren't a hard and fast rule. If you have a 5 yr survival rate, you don't live for 5 years and suddenly die.

Let me also tell you, to science anecdotes don't mean squat. For every person who lived well past the survival rate without using conventional medicine, I can produce 1 who has lived well past the survival rate with conventional medicine, and 1 who lived a short period of time whilst not using conventional medicine.

My understanding of Ian Gawlers work is that he has never actually stated to only use self-help or alternative treatments. Instead he argues for integrative approaches using the best of what conventional medicine has to offer.

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Re: FDA: Vaccines still contain Mercury
Reply #68 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 1:22pm

Bam wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:54pm:

If we're going to have people who won't vaccinate their children, we should gather them together in one place, introduce the real diseases and watch what happens. Children crippled by polio, adult men sterilised by mumps, children scarred by chicken pox, babies born with birth defects to mothers who caught rubella while pregnant, babies dying from whooping cough and other deaths from various preventable communicable diseases.

Many people living in Australia today have never met anyone who has been crippled by polio. I have: I once met someone who was in his 60s and had to wear a leg brace all his life as a consequence of the polio he caught as a child. This gentleman acquired a lifelong disability from a preventable illness. For more insight into what polio can do, find out what iron longs are and which patients were most likely to need them.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Iron_Lung_ward-Rancho_... (Iron lung ward filled with polio patients, Rancho Los Amigos Hospital, California, 1953)

We do not really see these morbidities and mortalities much any more because widespread vaccination has erased these consequences from the memory of the broader public. Vaccination has been so successful that we have forgotten why we need to vaccinate.

Vaccination can eradicate diseases. The last case of Smallpox was in 1977 and certified as eradicated in 1979, the cattle disease rinderpest was declared eradicated in 2011. These were eradicated by vaccination. With a concerted vaccination effort, polio may be eradicated within the next 10 to 20 years.

Vaccination is not completely without risk. It can have complications, but so does the disease that vaccination prevents. Which risk is greater - the risk from vaccination with a weakened form of the disease or the risk of acquiring the wild form of the disease with its full virulence? How do we know that someone who experiences complications from vaccination would not have experienced complications if they caught the wild disease instead?

I think most of the anti-vaxx nonsense comes about because people have short memories and don't recall how much those diseases suck

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Reply #69 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:46pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

You cannot argue the benefits the world has seen through vaccination & immunisation programs that have greatly reduced or rid us of diseases like Small Pox, Polio, Diptheria, Measles, Mumps, Pertussis (Whooping Cough),Tetanus, Tuberculosis & more.

That there have been some who have had serious reaction & damage has been a low risk worth taking.

The trouble with all the parents who are now not immunising/vaccinating their children is that they are creating a generation of unresistant children.... & some of the more serious diseases which we thought were long gone are making a comeback.

These parents are riding on the back of those who have gone before & made those terrible diseases a thing of the past .... & live in a false sense of security.

Personally I think they are some what irresponsible .... & I hope their children don't contract something that is preventable through vaccination.

An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure.

I can bet that many here & around the country who are anti-vaccination for their children live in communities & cities where their public water supply is (so called) fluoridated.

Why aren't you jumping up & down about that?

The substance used to "fluoridate" your water comes from one of the most toxic substances on the planet... FLUORINE.

The actual chemical they use is Hexafluorsiliic Acid which is an industrial (Aluminium & Fertilizer Industries) waste product that is also contaminated with lead, arsenic, cadmium & an amount of radioactive isotopes.

It's mainly sourced from China.(That should be enough to scare you).

There has been no conclusive proof presented by pro-fluoridists since this mass medication/poisoning through public water supplies since it began in the early 1950's that oral ingestion helps prevent tooth decay or that it is safe for the rest of the body & organs.

So are all you anti-vaccers drinking your daily dose of Fluoride? Grin

All adds up, a cocktail of chemicals Shocked

One thing I remembered last night, was before I became pregnant, I did get the Rubella vacination, and so, then, why did they put the Rubella in the triple antigen (MMR) for boys to take also? Why 'one size fits all'?
This I asked the Doctor, and couldn't answer it, just dismisses it as the way it is type thing (just the way Doctors are type thing eh?)
But it did bother me, why did my 9 year old son, have to have Rubella? I already had it before I conceived him.

And this is the other issue that is concerning, off loading our chemicals in our bodies into the babies in the womb, whilst they are loading more into their systems as they become more and more immunized, and more and more chemicals in our foods, water, and environment, keeps adding it up for the next generation and so forth.

I bet, our oldies in their 80's, don't have half the chemicals we have in our systems.

Seems my generation are all dropping dead before age 65. Cry

This is my main social aspect, 30th and 60th birthdays, engagements, weddings and funerals.

And thank goodness, I have tank water, at least that's one area I can control less chemical intake.

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Reply #70 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 1:02pm

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Let me tell you something. Survival rates aren't a hard and fast rule. If you have a 5 yr survival rate, you don't live for 5 years and suddenly die.

No, one doesn't suddenly die, they just lay in a hospital bed and die agonizingly slowly, usually a week, but in the case of my mother in law, (and this is where I considered working hard not to be of any benefit in this instance)...the doctors said, once the cancer got to the bones, that as a result of her being a hard working farm woman all her life, will take longer to pass away, about 2 weeks, when it is usually 1 week...we were told. She was age 57.
That's is no end prize for being a hard worker

Let me also tell you, to science anecdotes don't mean squat. For every person who lived well past the survival rate without using conventional medicine, I can produce 1 who has lived well past the survival rate with conventional medicine, and 1 who lived a short period of time whilst not using conventional medicine.

At least we are on the same page, yes I agree, and it really does depend on various factors, on the person's immune system and lifestyle choices.
I also know many that made it well with alternatives, and those that made it with just conventional (albeit some had operations also to remove any tumours).
And most that change their lifestyle after this, do better to survive longer.

"Are you old enough" (one of the songs) to remember Marc Hunter of the group Dragon?

He died with throat cancer in 1998.

After all the conventional methods, he didn't do too well (although he was a hard drug user and heavy alcoholic)
So for the last bargaining for his life, in the end, went to alternative treatments for help...I think it was way too late for natural alternatives at this stage, and of course, it couldn't save him. Why expect miracles near the end?
Same with any treatment, conventional or alternative.
If someone is a heavy smoker for instance, and get's the news they have emphysema or lung cancer, what conventional or alternative can reverse that? Apart from lung transplant.

This was what was reported below

http://www.awesomeentertainmentmagazine.com/index.php/component/k2/item/246-marc-hunter-dragon

In November 1997, Marc was diagnosed as having throat cancer. A benefit concert with the whos who of the Australian Music Industry was held in Melbourne in February 1998, with another scheduled for March 27 in Sydney. Marc’s treatment wasn’t going as well as expected, so he and his wife Wendy, chose to fly out to Daera Chun in South Korea to try alternative medicine remedies. After a few weeks, Marc returned to Sydney, where he passed away on July 17, 1998.

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Reply #71 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 9:35pm

Sophia wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

One thing I remembered last night, was before I became pregnant, I did get the Rubella vacination, and so, then, why did they put the Rubella in the triple antigen (MMR) for boys to take also? Why 'one size fits all'?

Herd immunity: the more people there are who are immune to a disease, the fewer opportunities that disease has to spread amongst the susceptible population.

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Reply #72 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 5:28am

Gnads wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

You cannot argue the benefits the world has seen through vaccination & immunisation programs that have greatly reduced or rid us of diseases like Small Pox, Polio, Diptheria, Measles, Mumps, Pertussis (Whooping Cough),Tetanus, Tuberculosis & more.

That there have been some who have had serious reaction & damage has been a low risk worth taking.

The trouble with all the parents who are now not immunising/vaccinating their children is that they are creating a generation of unresistant children.... & some of the more serious diseases which we thought were long gone are making a comeback.

These parents are riding on the back of those who have gone before & made those terrible diseases a thing of the past .... & live in a false sense of security.

Personally I think they are some what irresponsible .... & I hope their children don't contract something that is preventable through vaccination.

An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure.

I can bet that many here & around the country who are anti-vaccination for their children live in communities & cities where their public water supply is (so called) fluoridated.

Why aren't you jumping up & down about that?

The substance used to "fluoridate" your water comes from one of the most toxic substances on the planet... FLUORINE.

The actual chemical they use is Hexafluorsiliic Acid which is an industrial (Aluminium & Fertilizer Industries) waste product that is also contaminated with lead, arsenic, cadmium & an amount of radioactive isotopes.

It's mainly sourced from China.(That should be enough to scare you).

There has been no conclusive proof presented by pro-fluoridists since this mass medication/poisoning through public water supplies since it began in the early 1950's that oral ingestion helps prevent tooth decay or that it is safe for the rest of the body & organs.

So are all you anti-vaccers drinking your daily dose of Fluoride? Grin

the thing is that they are making non-essential vaccines compulsory too. Hep B for babies? Flu shots? They shodulnt be mandatory so ppl look into it . . . .

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Re: FDA: Vaccines still contain Mercury
Reply #73 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 12:27am

FDA Vaccine Insert Lists Autism as Adverse Reaction

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FDA Approved Epidemic?
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91% Fully Vaccinated Involved in Pertussis Outbreak
Vaccines Licensed for Immunization and Distribution in the US
Diphtheria & Tetanus Toxoids & Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed
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Reply #74 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 10:55am

Unfortunately a youtube video is not evidence. Just watching the video now. At 1:57 he talks about why it has not been evaulated for its effects on carcinogenic, mutagenic effects as though its a bad thing. Why haven't they done this? Because they would have looked at the list of ingredients, said none of those have shown any carcinogenic effect so why bother when they are mixed.

At 2.16 he talks about review by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) found evidence for a causal relationship between tetanus toxoid and both brachial
neuritis and Guillain-Barré syndrome.

Again so what? All that means is that in at least 1 person they found some evidence to suggest a relationship. That still doesnt negate the benefit-risk analysis. Its not evidence against the widescale use of vaccines, just evidence that in certain people you get an adverse reaction (which has always been known)

Then at 2.25 he lists this point which he claims is damning Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS,
anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, etc.

However this is a list of reported adverse effects. Theres no evidence to suggest that theres a correlation between the vaccines and autism, just that somewhere in the world that someone reported getting autism after receiving this vaccine. They only included it because its a possible serious effect.

It may well be that you have 5 Jenny McCarthy types who mistakenly correlate their childs autism with the vaccine. Its not a relationship

And this is not evidence.

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