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Apr 1st, 2012 at 5:20am
 
Qld Labor wipeout means left must unite & organise

The Australian Labor Party (ALP) in Queensland is in its deepest crisis in its 120-year history following the disastrous defeat in the state elections on March 24. A swing of more than 15% to the Liberal-National Party (LNP) has resulted in the Queensland ALP's record lowest primary vote of 26.5%.

Labor is likely to win seven, or at most eight, seats in Queensland's parliament of 89. The LNP will take 77 or 78. This is a worse position for the ALP than the Joh Bjelke-Petersen regime's high point in 1974, when Queensland Labor was reduced to 11 seats.

There is no doubt that the “Time for Change” theme of the LNP was a factor in the ALP's defeat. Queensland Labor had been in office for 20 of the past 22 years, interrupted only by a 1996-98 National-Liberal government.

Some Labor figures have said Premier Anna Bligh's narrow election win in 2009, when the ALP came from behind in the last couple of weeks of the campaign to snatch victory, probably produced a term too far for Labor.

That win was largely based on leadership disunity among the conservatives. The LNP dealt with this problem with the unprecedented step of choosing former Brisbane Lord Mayor Campbell Newman to run as LNP leader even though he was not a sitting member of parliament.

But the crucial factor in Labor's collapse was the betrayal of the party's union and working class base. Immediately after the 2009 election, the Bligh government moved to sell off a huge section of the state's public assets: Queensland Rail freight, major ports, motorways and forest plantations.

This move, a neoliberal declaration of war on the Queensland people, led to major divisions in the union movement and plummeting support for the Bligh government.

Despite a strong campaign against the privatisations led by the Electrical Trades Union and other unions, the popular resistance was defeated and Bligh rammed the sell-offs through.

Now, privatised rail freight company QR National is making a substantial profit for private investors and the public are losing out on precious revenue that could be used to fund state education, health, housing, social services and renewable energy programs.

Despite a temporary revival in the polls during Queensland's flood and cyclone emergencies early last year, Bligh's support never recovered. By December, Labor's support was at 28%.

The ALP's weak election campaign also played a role in the size of the swing against it. Having no positive record to stand on, its campaign focused mostly on Newman's personal and family finances.

Labor could not even effectively attack real political scandals of the former Brisbane mayor, such as the bankruptcy of the Clem 7 river tunnel, the mass layoffs of council staff, huge rates hikes and cuts to council environmental programs.

New Queensland ALP Annastacia Palasczuk admitted on March 28 that the asset sales represented “a fundamental breach of trust” between Labor and the people of Queensland.

Palasczuk apologised for the sell-offs but still could not admit that the decision was fundamentally wrong. Instead, she said: “We should have communicated our message much sooner, much earlier.”

Even though voters punished it for its anti-people policies, the rump of the ALP is still a capitalist party committed to governing in the interests of big business.

Labor's Queensland debacle reflects the collapse in popular support for Labor around the country. In last year's NSW election, Labor gained only 25.55% of the vote. Newspoll said on March 27 that federal Labor's support had dropped to 28%.

Most of all, the ALP's unpopularity is due to the anti-people policies it has carried out in government on behalf of the giant corporations and the 1%.

But the problem in Queensland is that the people may be stuck with a Tory LNP regime for a decade, with all the ensuing disastrous consequences.

The trade union movement must now regroup to fight back. But it must also take a deep look at its relationship with the Labor Party. This turning point is a crisis, but also could be an opportunity for a strategic rethink.

At one stage of the struggle against the asset sales, the Electrical Trades Union seriously considered breaking away from the ALP and helping to form an Independent Labor Party, or similar organisation.

Now is the time to raise this project again and investigate possible moves to disaffiliate from the ALP and form a new progressive workers' party, which will really represent the interests of unions and working people instead of the demands of the mining companies and big business.

For the environment and other social movements, it is time to marshal resources and prepare to step up the struggle to defend our democratic rights, social gains and the ecology in the face of the escalating attacks sure to come from a reactionary Newman LNP government.

And for the left, the election outcome is a chance to take the initiative. Now is a crucial time to push forward the project of left and socialist unity. Socialist Alliance supports all further steps toward united action and organisational unity between groups and individuals in the socialist movement.
The crisis of the ALP in Queensland demands united action by all popular organisations to defend the rights and interests of the people. This must include building a genuine, alternative organisation to represent the working people in their hour of need.

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Reply #2 - Apr 1st, 2012 at 5:27am
 
I think it is the wrong move since when the ebb to the Right returns to a flow to the Left in the future, Greens could of positioned itself to be the party of choice in State Queensland.

Too early to just jump in bed together
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Reply #3 - Apr 1st, 2012 at 5:36am
 
____ wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 5:27am:
I think it is the wrong move since when the ebb to the Right returns to a flow to the Left in the future, Greens could of positioned itself to be the party of choice in State Queensland.

Too early to just jump in bed together



The greens will be nothing more than a protest vote for the disaffected lefties or hardcore hippies.

Queensland is a very conservative state morally speaking and will never look to a bunch of ratbag commos to lead the state.

We are not some rust belt commune like taswegia, living off welfare and berries.


You dickheads LOST votes in the biggest landslide in Australian political history.  Grin

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Reply #4 - Apr 1st, 2012 at 5:39am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 5:36am:
____ wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 5:27am:
I think it is the wrong move since when the ebb to the Right returns to a flow to the Left in the future, Greens could of positioned itself to be the party of choice in State Queensland.

Too early to just jump in bed together



The greens will be nothing more than a protest vote for the disaffected lefties or hardcore hippies.

Queensland is a very conservative state morally speaking and will never look to a bunch of ratbag commos to lead the state.

We are not some rust belt commune like taswegia, living off welfare and berries.


You dickheads LOST votes in the biggest landslide in Australian political history.  Grin




But the grey rince Abbott supporters of the 1950's will soon move down stairs to Lib HQs

And new Qlds may back Green Labs into government.

Obviously the new Green Labs in Qld thinks so.

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Reply #5 - Apr 1st, 2012 at 6:17am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 5:36am:
____ wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 5:27am:
I think it is the wrong move since when the ebb to the Right returns to a flow to the Left in the future, Greens could of positioned itself to be the party of choice in State Queensland.

Too early to just jump in bed together



The greens will be nothing more than a protest vote for the disaffected lefties or hardcore hippies.

Queensland is a very conservative state morally speaking and will never look to a bunch of ratbag commos to lead the state.

We are not some rust belt commune like taswegia, living off welfare and berries.


You dickheads LOST votes in the biggest landslide in Australian political history.  Grin



The landslide in Q-land was the best news I've had in ages!
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Reply #6 - Apr 1st, 2012 at 6:21am
 
olde.sault wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 6:17am:
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 5:36am:
____ wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 5:27am:
I think it is the wrong move since when the ebb to the Right returns to a flow to the Left in the future, Greens could of positioned itself to be the party of choice in State Queensland.

Too early to just jump in bed together



The greens will be nothing more than a protest vote for the disaffected lefties or hardcore hippies.

Queensland is a very conservative state morally speaking and will never look to a bunch of ratbag commos to lead the state.

We are not some rust belt commune like taswegia, living off welfare and berries.


You dickheads LOST votes in the biggest landslide in Australian political history.  Grin



The landslide in Q-land was the best news I've had in ages!



It will not last now the Green Lab in on the right's case. It will sniff out all the secret deals LNP do with their billionaire puppet.
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Reply #7 - Apr 1st, 2012 at 8:58am
 
what a dumb post from the dumbest-of-the-dumb.

Labor and the Greens will NEVER merge. for starters, labor is a centre-RIGHT party and the Greens are a solid-left party.

and what do the greens have to offer labor in QLD?? precisely nothing. they already get most of their preferences (for all that is worth) and they just LOST twice the number of votes the greens will ever get.

One of labors big electoral weakness is its closeness to the greens. Before long you will see federal labor totally eject the Greens from the machinery of govt as they realise (too late) that it was a marriage made i nhell which has cost them literally millions of votes.

what an idioitc topic.
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Reply #8 - Apr 1st, 2012 at 12:53pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 8:58am:
what a dumb post from the dumbest-of-the-dumb.

Labor and the Greens will NEVER merge. for starters, labor is a centre-RIGHT party and the Greens are a solid-left party.

and what do the greens have to offer labor in QLD?? precisely nothing. they already get most of their preferences (for all that is worth) and they just LOST twice the number of votes the greens will ever get.

One of labors big electoral weakness is its closeness to the greens. Before long you will see federal labor totally eject the Greens from the machinery of govt as they realise (too late) that it was a marriage made i nhell which has cost them literally millions of votes.

what an idioitc topic.


I see Labor as mostly centre, not centre-right. As Tony Abbott said, the carbon tax is Socialism (well, I would say Communism, and I am sure that he just used the former as a euphemism for the latter) on a grand scale, and so is the mining tax. It's taking from the upper/middle class, and giving to the working class and dole bludgers (two cohorts that are entirely separate). Mostly, however, I see Labor as lacking any real ideology, other than having power at all costs.

Australians can see that Gillard and Labor are being pulled by Master Bob and his Communist comrades. Australians are not as stupid and gullible as Labor would like to believe.

In direct relevance to the OP, no, what is the point. Both "parties" (Labor is not even recognised as such in the Parliament now) are completely irrelevant. It would be an exercise in pure futility and redundancy.
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Reply #9 - Apr 1st, 2012 at 12:59pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 8:58am:
what a dumb post from the dumbest-of-the-dumb.

Labor and the Greens will NEVER merge. for starters, labor is a centre-RIGHT party and the Greens are a solid-left party.

and what do the greens have to offer labor in QLD?? precisely nothing. they already get most of their preferences (for all that is worth) and they just LOST twice the number of votes the greens will ever get.

One of labors big electoral weakness is its closeness to the greens. Before long you will see federal labor totally eject the Greens from the machinery of govt as they realise (too late) that it was a marriage made i nhell which has cost them literally millions of votes.

what an idioitc topic.

It looks like you suckered in the forum numnut with this one ,greens win.Longwhine is soooooo dumb, its like taking candy from a baby, happy April fools day,numnut. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #10 - Apr 1st, 2012 at 2:56pm
 
skippy. wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 12:59pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 8:58am:
what a dumb post from the dumbest-of-the-dumb.

Labor and the Greens will NEVER merge. for starters, labor is a centre-RIGHT party and the Greens are a solid-left party.

and what do the greens have to offer labor in QLD?? precisely nothing. they already get most of their preferences (for all that is worth) and they just LOST twice the number of votes the greens will ever get.

One of labors big electoral weakness is its closeness to the greens. Before long you will see federal labor totally eject the Greens from the machinery of govt as they realise (too late) that it was a marriage made i nhell which has cost them literally millions of votes.

what an idioitc topic.

It looks like you suckered in the forum numnut with this one ,greens win.Longwhine is soooooo dumb, its like taking candy from a baby, happy April fools day,numnut. Grin Grin Grin




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Reply #11 - Apr 1st, 2012 at 4:47pm
 
I thought they already were as one..like father and son...mum and daughter.fish and chips..

they would just have to take it in turns at playing the leader thats all.
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Reply #12 - Apr 1st, 2012 at 5:04pm
 
cods wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 4:47pm:
I thought they already were as one..like father and son...mum and daughter.fish and chips..

they would just have to take it in turns at playing the leader thats all.



That's the trouble with spending so much time listening to shock jocks Cod ... you end up barking up the wrong tree.
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Reply #13 - Apr 1st, 2012 at 10:41pm
 
____ wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 5:04pm:
cods wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 4:47pm:
I thought they already were as one..like father and son...mum and daughter.fish and chips..

they would just have to take it in turns at playing the leader thats all.



That's the trouble with spending so much time listening to shock jocks Cod ... you end up barking up the wrong tree.


cods has a great point. It's clear that JuLIAR is being pulled by Master Booby's strings. Labor = Green's bitch.
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Reply #14 - Apr 2nd, 2012 at 2:30am
 
I would have thought that the feedback they are getting on a federal level with the Labor party so closely linked to the Greens would have allowed them to realise that joining with them on a state level would really not be such a great idea. 

Labor is showing all the signs of being a party in self destruct mode though so anything is possible.
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