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Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:12pm
 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-26/scientists-may-have-underestimated-climate...

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A new study suggests climate scientists may have underestimated the effect of greenhouse gases, with global temperatures now predicted to rise by between 1.4 and 3 degrees Celsius by 2050.

The study was published in the journal Nature Geoscience by a team of international scientists who ran 10,000 computer simulations of climate models in an attempt to explore the range of global warming predictions made by climate scientists.

The researchers found that while their results matched the predictions made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) at the lower end, they were higher than earlier predictions at the higher end.

One of the certainties about predicting climate change is uncertainty, which is why climate change professor David Frame and 26 of his colleagues from around the world have tried to narrow things down.

"We set out to look at how a large range of climate models could try to span a range of uncertainties to try to get a better handle on the sort of range of plausible climates we might see in the next half century and beyond," said Professor Frame, who works at the Victoria University of Wellington.

"Generally people build a model and they spend a lot of resources on doing so and they try to make it as good as they can. But when everybody tries for their best-shot model, it doesn't necessarily mean that you systematically explore all the possible uncertainties."

When it comes to climate change, there many variables including cloud cover, ocean temperatures and land temperatures. So Professor Frame and his colleagues took one of the world's best-known climate models and tweaked some of the parameters.


They actually UNDERESTIMATED how fast Greenhouse is heating up the planet.
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Reply #1 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:24pm
 
Climate change is a proven and discredited liberal political fraud.  You can argue against the science and the facts all you like but you are only making an idiot of yourself.  Stalin had the same con. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #2 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:28pm
 
And still we wonder if we have past the point on no return.
... of course we have.


Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.
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Re: Climate Scientists got it wrong....
Reply #3 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:31pm
 
corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:24pm:
Climate change is a proven and discredited liberal political fraud.


Could you please point us in the direction of this proof you refer to?  A link would be useful.



corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:24pm:
Stalin had the same con.

First time I've heard that.  I'd like to know more about Stalin's connection to climate change please.
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Reply #4 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:49pm
 
Frances wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:31pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:24pm:
Climate change is a proven and discredited liberal political fraud.


Could you please point us in the direction of this proof you refer to?  A link would be useful.



corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:24pm:
Stalin had the same con.

First time I've heard that.  I'd like to know more about Stalin's connection to climate change please.


The coldest winter in 40 years helped the Soviets turn back the NAZIS from the doorstep of Moscow.....It was a Soviet Commie conspiracy to beat the right!!!

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Reply #5 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 6:37am
 
They can put 2 trillion computers together and get a result the same as butting 2 uglies togther.

Garbage in garbage out. Now we have more garbage in and even more garbage out faster.
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Reply #6 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 9:21am
 
____ wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:28pm:
And still we wonder if we have past the point on no return.
... of course we have.


Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.


We can still moderate the effect by adopting a low carbon footprint as soon as possible. The quickest way to do that is to use gas turbine generation technology with cogeneration, as per the Garnaud report. That can be rapidly deployed, and it is a necessary short-term strategy until a renewable energy infrastructure can be built.

Of course in order to accomplish that, we need CSG. Using CSG has the addition benefit of reducing venting of methane to the atmosphere.  You must realise that methane has a Global Warming Potential 25 times that of CO2 over a 100 year horizon, so even the extraction process has a net environmental benefit.

Of course we need to tread warily in areas of high intensity agriculture. In all other areas, the precautions taken to date are perfectly acceptable.  In some areas the groundwater is naturally toxic to crops, so considerable precautions need to be taken there. 

Those who pretend that there is no problem, or who oppose the inevitable introduction of renewable technology are modern day Luddites. 

This report on BTEX by Griffith University (Department of Environment Website)
puts it in perspective. It has been blown way out of proportion by the media and environmental activists, including the Greens. Their policies are ill-considered because there has already been sufficient scientific research on the matter.

http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/environmental_management/coal-seam-gas/pdf/btex-repor...

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7. Conclusions
The primary exposure to BTEX is from breathing air contaminated by motor vehicle emissions, industrial use and cigarette smoke. The levels in drinking water are usually very low and intake from drinking and food sources is usually minor in comparison. However, contamination from fuel spillage and industrial activities can result in localised high concentrations in surface and groundwater. In those instances, activated carbon filtration is an effective treatment option to reduce BTEX concentrations to acceptable levels.
Use of BTEX in fraccing fluids is currently out of favour due to the availability of safer alternatives. Nevertheless, if BTEX were used in fraccing fluids, it is unlikely to significantly contribute to contamination of drinking water from groundwater sources. Groundwater in the vicinity of natural oil, gas and coal deposits may however contain elevated levels of naturally‐occurring BTEX compounds. The local geomorphology and possibility of creating hydraulic connections between coal seam and nearby groundwater must be taken into account prior to using hydraulic
fracturing.
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Reply #7 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 9:30am
 
GoddyofOz wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:12pm:
They actually UNDERESTIMATED how fast Greenhouse is heating up the planet.


I've been saying that for years. The trouble is that it hasn't been possible to factor in some of the circumpolar effects until recently. It has been an open secret among climatologists for years that the IPCC reports are considerably  understated.
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Reply #8 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 9:46am
 
muso wrote on Mar 27th, 2012 at 9:30am:
GoddyofOz wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:12pm:
They actually UNDERESTIMATED how fast Greenhouse is heating up the planet.


I've been saying that for years. The trouble is that it hasn't been possible to factor in some of the circumpolar effects until recently. It has been an open secret among climatologists for years that the IPCC reports are considerably  understated.





really???? you mean you dont really believe what they tell you after all?..well Im blowed..

knock me down with a feather..

hey our rivers are dying we will never see a dam full ever again...

and now they didnt go far enough... its getting hotter even though we in OZ have had the coolest summer in donkeys years..and the WETTEST,,, dont tell flannery though..


its interesting how you have been pushing GW agenda for years.,. now you are telling us they got it wrong... what a hoot...


how on earth did they manage to get it wrong... for gods sake?? does it mean we are going to die sooner rather than later?

better stop planting trees then not much point it there.
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Reply #9 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 9:53am
 
cods wrote on Mar 27th, 2012 at 9:46am:
muso wrote on Mar 27th, 2012 at 9:30am:
GoddyofOz wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:12pm:
They actually UNDERESTIMATED how fast Greenhouse is heating up the planet.


I've been saying that for years. The trouble is that it hasn't been possible to factor in some of the circumpolar effects until recently. It has been an open secret among climatologists for years that the IPCC reports are considerably  understated.





really???? you mean you dont really believe what they tell you after all?..well Im blowed..


Cods, I am one of the ones highlighted above in your post. I don't need to be told anything in that respect. I am adequately qualified to understand the science myself without being told anything. Now if you're saying that I am part of a world-wide conspiracy, then I'll take it personally.
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Reply #10 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 10:59am
 
It must be right because Prime Minister Bob Brown said in an address to fellow Earthians that the peoples on the other livable planets ignored Climate Worming to their peril and now they have all perished and new life forms are slowly evolving on those planets.

What will the new life form be on earth after humans and all life as we know it is obliterated ?

The religiously devout will say this is the armageddon predicted in the holy book and is the wrath of the Lord above.
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Reply #11 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 11:28am
 
Whatever you're smoking, I'd quit.

This is the kind of thing that happens when you rely on the blogosphere as your source of knowledge:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/entertainment/weird/get-it/story-e6frep26-12263088...
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Reply #12 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 7:11pm
 
muso wrote on Mar 27th, 2012 at 9:30am:
GoddyofOz wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:12pm:
They actually UNDERESTIMATED how fast Greenhouse is heating up the planet.


I've been saying that for years. The trouble is that it hasn't been possible to factor in some of the circumpolar effects until recently. It has been an open secret among climatologists for years that the IPCC reports are considerably  understated.

I'm sure they were saying, yeh who's they I'm not sure, that 3 degrees was locked in by 2070...  Embarrassed Embarrassed
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Reply #13 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 7:12pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 27th, 2012 at 9:46am:
muso wrote on Mar 27th, 2012 at 9:30am:
GoddyofOz wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 9:12pm:
They actually UNDERESTIMATED how fast Greenhouse is heating up the planet.


I've been saying that for years. The trouble is that it hasn't been possible to factor in some of the circumpolar effects until recently. It has been an open secret among climatologists for years that the IPCC reports are considerably  understated.





really???? you mean you dont really believe what they tell you after all?..well Im blowed..

knock me down with a feather..

hey our rivers are dying we will never see a dam full ever again...

and now they didnt go far enough... its getting hotter even though we in OZ have had the coolest summer in donkeys years..and the WETTEST,,, dont tell flannery though..


its interesting how you have been pushing GW agenda for years.,. now you are telling us they got it wrong... what a hoot...


how on earth did they manage to get it wrong... for gods sake?? does it mean we are going to die sooner rather than later?

better stop planting trees then not much point it there.

Hydrological cycle!!


...while I'm at it:
RATES OF CHANGE!!


= DONE!!  Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Reply #14 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 2:40pm
 
I did some denialist style research into the relevance of the second world war to current climate debate and found some shocking results.

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See global warming makes nazis stronger! We better ignore it or they might win ww2 and change history!
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