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Re: Abbott will tear up Murray Darling Plan.
Reply #31 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 2:22pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 1:55pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

GoddyofOz wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 1:37am:

Tear up the Murray Darling Plan....

Good, maybe then they can write a new one that involves the input of the people who live/work along and with the river, and work out a Plan that will actually help the rivers...

The Farmers don't want to "help" the Murray. They only want to make the most of the profits they can gain from it then get out of dodge once there is nothing left to take. This is the attitude they've ALWAYS had.

Australian farmers have employed many new practices to ensure better water usage. From drip and micro spray irrigation, soil moisture monitoring, minimum tillage to name a few.

Boring hacks like you, that must eat dirt for nutrition, will never forward the cause for the betterment of the MDB and the people of OZ.

You are warts on the arse of progress.

Farmers do that, which is great, but its purely profit driven. Get the most out of the avaliable water they are given.

Thats totally different than the overall regulation of the riven basin in deciding how much every farmer can be given without killing the river.
Another issue is how much natural run-off can be captured by the farmer, and how much is allowed to enter the system for those downstream.

Abbott is once again going for the populist vote now that we are in the flood cycle and there is plenty of water around. Come the next drought we will be right back where we started from... Abbott is hoping hes long gone by then.

Profit driven, so? What’s wrong with that? What a better way to implement change? Make more money and save water. I think farmers can see the benefits both ways, even if you hacks can’t. Do you think if a business can make more money by polluting less it would be a good thing? Use less electricity, save money?

You see all you people can think about is how to divide up the water.

So how much is it? Show us all these farmers stopping the flows into the river, show us how much water is stopped. Show me how a farmer affects those down stream by what he stops on farm and how much water can be saved.

Blaa blaa hack hack hack.

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Re: Abbott will tear up Murray Darling Plan.
Reply #32 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 3:23pm

FriYAY wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

GoddyofOz wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 1:37am:

Tear up the Murray Darling Plan....

Good, maybe then they can write a new one that involves the input of the people who live/work along and with the river, and work out a Plan that will actually help the rivers...

The Farmers don't want to "help" the Murray. They only want to make the most of the profits they can gain from it then get out of dodge once there is nothing left to take. This is the attitude they've ALWAYS had.

Australian farmers have employed many new practices to ensure better water usage. From drip and micro spray irrigation, soil moisture monitoring, minimum tillage to name a few.

Boring hacks like you, that must eat dirt for nutrition, will never forward the cause for the betterment of the MDB and the people of OZ.

You are warts on the arse of progress.

If the Murray Darling dies then nobody will be making progress, dickwit. Everyone will be too busy tearing the Government that allowed it to happen a new one.

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Re: Abbott will tear up Murray Darling Plan.
Reply #33 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 3:34pm

GoddyofOz wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 3:23pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

GoddyofOz wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 1:37am:

Tear up the Murray Darling Plan....

Good, maybe then they can write a new one that involves the input of the people who live/work along and with the river, and work out a Plan that will actually help the rivers...

The Farmers don't want to "help" the Murray. They only want to make the most of the profits they can gain from it then get out of dodge once there is nothing left to take. This is the attitude they've ALWAYS had.

Australian farmers have employed many new practices to ensure better water usage. From drip and micro spray irrigation, soil moisture monitoring, minimum tillage to name a few.

Boring hacks like you, that must eat dirt for nutrition, will never forward the cause for the betterment of the MDB and the people of OZ.

You are warts on the arse of progress.

If the Murray Darling dies then nobody will be making progress, dickwit. Everyone will be too busy tearing the Government that allowed it to happen a new one.

Oh really, such a clever arguement, and dick wit, wow.

All i did was show how farmers are already doing some good as opposed to your stupid "farmers don't want to help the river" comment.........wait.....

Oh, i see now, you feel like a dill for saying that, so you attacked me.

Wink

Gotcha.

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Re: Abbott will tear up Murray Darling Plan.
Reply #34 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 4:16pm

FriYAY wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 2:22pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 1:55pm:

Farmers do that, which is great, but its purely profit driven. Get the most out of the avaliable water they are given.

Thats totally different than the overall regulation of the riven basin in deciding how much every farmer can be given without killing the river.
Another issue is how much natural run-off can be captured by the farmer, and how much is allowed to enter the system for those downstream.

Abbott is once again going for the populist vote now that we are in the flood cycle and there is plenty of water around. Come the next drought we will be right back where we started from... Abbott is hoping hes long gone by then.

Profit driven, so? What’s wrong with that? What a better way to implement change? Make more money and save water. I think farmers can see the benefits both ways, even if you hacks can’t. Do you think if a business can make more money by polluting less it would be a good thing? Use less electricity, save money?

You see all you people can think about is how to divide up the water.

So how much is it? Show us all these farmers stopping the flows into the river, show us how much water is stopped. Show me how a farmer affects those down stream by what he stops on farm and how much water can be saved.

Blaa blaa hack hack hack.

A farmer has absolutely no concern for those downstream of him, unless ulturistic in view. He doesnt save water at all, he makes his water allowance go further... grow more crop, make more money.

Thats fine, but it wont help the river system as a whole.

Pre-farming the river was a catchment for the entire basin. All the way from the great dividing range to SA.

No its only catchment (excluding flood times) is the mountains west of Albury, north and south. From there on the water is taken from the river, and if any does come back it usually highly salty.

Very small catchment, very large usage. Something's got to give. Because if we keep progressing further this way, the river's usefulness will get shorter and shorter as SA wont get access to its water, then western parts of NSW and Victoria.

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Re: Abbott will tear up Murray Darling Plan.
Reply #35 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 4:27pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 4:16pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 2:22pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 1:55pm:

Farmers do that, which is great, but its purely profit driven. Get the most out of the avaliable water they are given.

Thats totally different than the overall regulation of the riven basin in deciding how much every farmer can be given without killing the river.
Another issue is how much natural run-off can be captured by the farmer, and how much is allowed to enter the system for those downstream.

Abbott is once again going for the populist vote now that we are in the flood cycle and there is plenty of water around. Come the next drought we will be right back where we started from... Abbott is hoping hes long gone by then.

Profit driven, so? What’s wrong with that? What a better way to implement change? Make more money and save water. I think farmers can see the benefits both ways, even if you hacks can’t. Do you think if a business can make more money by polluting less it would be a good thing? Use less electricity, save money?

You see all you people can think about is how to divide up the water.

So how much is it? Show us all these farmers stopping the flows into the river, show us how much water is stopped. Show me how a farmer affects those down stream by what he stops on farm and how much water can be saved.

Blaa blaa hack hack hack.

A farmer has absolutely no concern for those downstream of him, unless ulturistic in view. He doesnt save water at all, he makes his water allowance go further... grow more crop, make more money.

Thats fine, but it wont help the river system as a whole.

Pre-farming the river was a catchment for the entire basin. All the way from the great dividing range to SA.

No its only catchment (excluding flood times) is the mountains west of Albury, north and south. From there on the water is taken from the river, and if any does come back it usually highly salty.

Very small catchment, very large usage. Something's got to give. Because if we keep progressing further this way, the river's usefulness will get shorter and shorter as SA wont get access to its water, then western parts of NSW and Victoria.

Mildura council is not a 'farmer'. But during the height of the drought, the council was watering all its parkes and median strips duign the day using murray water. 'Stage 3 water restrictions' signs abounded and absolutely NO ONE took any notice. lawns were all greed and sprinklers were used during the day. It aint the famers at fault. it is places like this and a whol host of other predominantly victorian towns and communities that dont give a stuff about anyone down stream.

For many of us down stream, the VIC floods had a very ironic feel about it.

and they still havent learned.

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Re: Abbott will tear up Murray Darling Plan.
Reply #36 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 4:31pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 4:27pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 4:16pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 2:22pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 1:55pm:

Farmers do that, which is great, but its purely profit driven. Get the most out of the avaliable water they are given.

Thats totally different than the overall regulation of the riven basin in deciding how much every farmer can be given without killing the river.
Another issue is how much natural run-off can be captured by the farmer, and how much is allowed to enter the system for those downstream.

Abbott is once again going for the populist vote now that we are in the flood cycle and there is plenty of water around. Come the next drought we will be right back where we started from... Abbott is hoping hes long gone by then.

Profit driven, so? What’s wrong with that? What a better way to implement change? Make more money and save water. I think farmers can see the benefits both ways, even if you hacks can’t. Do you think if a business can make more money by polluting less it would be a good thing? Use less electricity, save money?

You see all you people can think about is how to divide up the water.

So how much is it? Show us all these farmers stopping the flows into the river, show us how much water is stopped. Show me how a farmer affects those down stream by what he stops on farm and how much water can be saved.

Blaa blaa hack hack hack.

A farmer has absolutely no concern for those downstream of him, unless ulturistic in view. He doesnt save water at all, he makes his water allowance go further... grow more crop, make more money.

Thats fine, but it wont help the river system as a whole.

Pre-farming the river was a catchment for the entire basin. All the way from the great dividing range to SA.

No its only catchment (excluding flood times) is the mountains west of Albury, north and south. From there on the water is taken from the river, and if any does come back it usually highly salty.

Very small catchment, very large usage. Something's got to give. Because if we keep progressing further this way, the river's usefulness will get shorter and shorter as SA wont get access to its water, then western parts of NSW and Victoria.

Mildura council is not a 'farmer'. But during the height of the drought, the council was watering all its parkes and median strips duign the day using murray water. 'Stage 3 water restrictions' signs abounded and absolutely NO ONE took any notice. lawns were all greed and sprinklers were used during the day. It aint the famers at fault. it is places like this and a whol host of other predominantly victorian towns and communities that dont give a stuff about anyone down stream.

For many of us down stream, the VIC floods had a very ironic feel about it.

and they still havent learned.

Quite correct. Farmers is not the term to use, Its any water users be they farmers, residential or industry.
But farmers are the vast majority of water users.

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Reply #37 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 6:49pm

Domestic use only accounts for around 10% of the overall water consumption it is agriculture and industry that use the vast amount of water reserves at a much cheaper rate.....Government restrict domestic users to appear as though they are doing something when in reality it has very little impact on available water supplies.....I think the survey I saw estimated 70% of water is used by industry and agriculture....Cutting domestic use by any amount will have very little impact on water storage and supply.....We are being conned!!!

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Reply #38 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 7:06pm

The farmers will reap what they sow. One would think that the ever growing salinity problem in dryer farmland would give farmers some idea of how important ecological management is in agriculture but nope. They probably think the damage to the river ecosystem will just mean more water for them. Death to all water bludger forests!

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