Our xenophobia was successfully exploited by John Howard so the conservatives have been pushing the button ever since.

It is interesting to note that for most of his Prime Ministership Howard's policy on boat people was identical to our current policy. Wasn't an issue in the public's consciousness till Howard played the race card.

The majority are brainwashed xenophobic racist bigots who are too stupid to find out for themselves the tiny impact that asylum seekers have on our nation.

Mostly Alan Jones followers. If he told them to, they would drink the cool aid too.

adelcrow wrote on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 8:35am:


SO bit far to walk   

I quote my Sri Lankan mate at work -


"Mate they are sh*t Lankans. We don't want them. Have them, more fool you...."

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 6:56am:


Your numbers on those arriving by plane do not match the numbers of plane arrivals in mandatory detention.
Please cite evidence when making outrageous claims!

83.5% of all so called asylum seekers are still claiming centrelink benefits up to 5 years after arriving in Australia.
The Labor and Leftist left out pension payments with centrelink,are they hoping nobody will notice?
Page 26 for this 83.5% still on welfare up to 5 years after arrival-
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/research/_pdf/settlement-outcomes-new-...

3200 out of 3237 boat people surveyed said they disposed of their passport before coming to Australia by boat after flying into Indonesia with a passport.
That is almost 99% of those surveyed who threw away their passports.
A genuine refugee would have no reason to dispose of their passport
Source-http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/cb/2012/cb182430.htm

4 boat people were in detention when Labor came to power.

MOTR wrote on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 7:09am:


Convenient to ignore Gillard's Malaysia swap, Timor lie.

Was she exploiting boat people as well?

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 9:29am:


The last point you make and have highlighted is patently untrue.

Bowen: Well, in some cases, documentation is lost, that is fair. In some cases, in many cases, it is destroyed. And the decision maker can take into account the destroying of documents in determining credibility of the claim. But at the end of the day, somebody is a refugee or they're not. I know the Opposition says, ‘Well, if they didn't have documents we'd presume they're not a refugee.' Well, you can't do that under the Refugees Convention. They're a refugee or they're not and an independent decision maker has to make that decision. Are they at risk of persecution if you sent them back to the country they came from? And whether they've got documents or not, that can go to their credibility, but it can't be used to determine whether somebody's a genuine refugee or somebody is simply claiming to be a refugee and they're not

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Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/asylum-seekers-arrive-by-plane-not-boat/story-e6...

I'm sure these stats have changed in recent years, but it is still true the vast majority of our asylum seekers arrive by plane.

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 9:35am:


I agree.

Right a few facts:

1. I cannot provide sources to my claims because, under forum rules, I am not allowed to yet. As soon as I can, I will.

2.The public debate on asylum seekers has been focusing on boat arrivals, but government figures show that the large majority of asylum applicants arrive by plane.

This statement comes from a highly reputable news source. I can't tell you which, for the reason, see 1. When I can, I will. Until then you'll just have to find it yourself.

3. Australians get het up about boat people because politicians realise causing fear garners votes. If you don't believe this Google: "Hitler Jews" and go from there.

Howard took this path because he was doing what conservatives do.

Labour followed on and seem to be trying to be even nastier.

This is an absolute disgrace, so shameful that  no-one should ever vote labor again until the party discovers its conscience again

Oh, yes, I am still a leftie, just one who thinks for himself.

Finally, for now, The criminals are, of course, the people smugglers. The victims are the boat people.

Punishing the victim makes about as much sense as deterring a rapist by constantly violating the woman he raped.

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 11:38am:

Uncle Meat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 2:16pm:


The article your fellow leftist posted puts the figure at 48% accepted as refugees, that is less than half.

Can the leftists make up their mind or do they just pick a number that sounds good?

Those in detention also include visa overstayers who cannot claim asylum.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 2:30pm:



Watch it?  God no. 

Howver, if pressed they will imply they watched it, by way of dropping a few words like "hateful" "bigoted" etc etc.  You know the leftist script.

Karnal wrote on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 9:52am:


The senate won't pass Abbott's intention on boat people but he'll call for a double dissolution and that will be the end of the treacherous Greens and most of the Labor clowns who are fiddling while Gillard twists and turns on her axle of lies.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 2:28pm:



You're mixing up boat people with those who arrive by plane.

Nobody has ever said that the majority of visa overstayers (arriving by plane) are granted refugee status.  Quite the opposite: those people are illegal immigrants.

Boat people, however, are legal asylum seekers and the majority of them are most certainly granted refugee status.

There you go Peter, you have opened Pandora's box for us all again.

Been done here?...Been done here to death more like it!

This is kinda like groundhog day around here Peter. Mark the deniers well. They'll be picked up on all the thousand and one errors of fact they make. Tomorrow it'll be like it all never happened and they'll be making the same ignorant claims all over again. I reckon righties are closely related to goldfish. 

Okay, here is my take again:

First this forum is so vast and lively you cannot cover every thread or post.

I will look at any thread that interests me. I will decide when that is. I will, of course, follow more closely those threads I initiate, and it looks as though a few others might comment as well.

If you want a reply from me, then try to be polite. Name calling and mudslinging does nothing to me (remember I was a journo, then a union advocate). All it does is reflect on the caller and the slinger.

With no exception I will not respond to anybody who disses me. That means it is almost a certainty the Baronvonroot, rot, or rort will ever hear from me again.

For those who have complimented me and my work thanks so much Take this as a timeless thank you from the heart if I sometimes miss you.

I join these forums because it is fun and to give people a laugh.

Most importantly, I contribute my views in the hope that every so often someone reads my stuff and says: "I'd never thought of that before, maybe this guy has something there. I'll have to give that further consider".

There are always some whose minds cannot be opened with an atom bomb. I used to try debating with them, but it is a time waster. Now I simply shake my head in wonder and move on to greener pastures.

I can see asylum and refugees is big media story everyday in Australia,

For me as I am here just study for the 2012 time I do not mostly say on Aussie items as I do not know or am citizen to do so,

But you know from my experiences you must be care on who is coming to Australia,
Suspect terrorist also hides with refugees,, we know this as we has this problem too,,
Israeli army has to enter refugee camps to capture terror suspects in there hiding,,

So be care,, with the refugee comes the terrorist too,

And some might argue there are terrorist sympathizers that come to our country on student visas.

MOTR wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 6:14am:


Hell, and i thought it was simply Maqqa's latest ID. or is the Matty?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 6:15am:


We have to be careful of those Durkadurkastanies...
Theyre coming here in droves on leaky boats just to set up terrorist cells so they can destroy the world.

You know we has find the terror suspects hide in refugee camps in Samaria,
Army has go into these camps to find them

So is true that terror suspects they seek to hide as refugee to escape the justice,,

You know we has decide to treat refugee camps as possible terror hide place now,,
Israeli army has go into camPs before to increase security

Do not be fooled by this peoples who try to give to you lies and deceit,,

In Israel we do not believe this stories they have

Shalom Avran,

Of course you must be careful who you allow into this beautiful country. The question is how do you do that?

If someone arrives and is considered suspicious, then we have every right to hold him while an investigation is conducted.

But there should be a time limit to this. If once that limit is reached and nothing is found, the authorities should be able to lodge an appeal, but only once.

if they cannot show that there is reasonable hope that during the extended period reliable information can be obtained, then the appeal should be disallowed.

The information could be nothing more than : "We have contacted the Mossad and are awaiting a reply"

Under the current Australian system someone could held in custody forever. They seem to have no rights at all. All their hope of a new life in a new country are dashed.

Some detainees are children and teenagers. Most of them have undergone horrendous experiences, which is why they risk their life to get here.

I think we'll find Avram is a troll who isnt who he claims to be.

Peter I will stay in Australia for 1 year and has find many people's here both Jewish and not Jewish too,

I just hope you keep this so nice country and people too

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 6:15am:


And you of course will hope they are the only terrorists you ever see eh.

brumbie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 8:13am:



Why don't you do some research and then come back here and let us all know?

I expect the figure will be fairly low.

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 9:07am:


Hard, not hard at all.
It's impossible actually.
What the Palestinian and Hezbollah terrorists do is not just a 'principle', it's a reality they practice or try to practice on a regular basis.
Even Abbas, the PLO chairman got himself as popular as a one armed leper leper appearing on a Paris catwalk found himself on the Hamas craplist, by having the temerity in asking Hamas to stop firing rockets into Sderot because the rockets were landing on the wrong side of the Gaza walls maiming Palestinians.
Hamas didn't care for any of that, because they blamed the IDF for the deaths and injuries anyway.
They hate, and want to kill Jews.
It's really that simple.
The problem isn't how to negotiate with such people because one cannot negotiate with them.
The problem is what the Israeli's are doing to stop the terrorists, and the ongoing failed attempts at appeasement.
Because appeasement has a zero blot zero zero zero success rate throughout history.
In short, it's never worked.
Ever.
The recent saga, and swap of kidnapped SGT Gilad for a 1000 convicted Palestinian criminals will only backfire one day.
It's not as if Israel got any brownie points from the Left anywhere on the planet for releasing these criminals.
Because Hamas got back overnight the missile and mortar crews they lost in 2006 and then some.
And when they have stored enough rockets and other ammo, it's game on.
And if the Leftists dream that these terrorists will stop if and when the Palestinians get their promised State, keep dreaming.
Because the Palestinians will still hate the Jews as much today as they did yesterday, and they will continue to attack in the time honoured fashion, the UN will do nothing in the time honoured fashion, and Israel will respond in the time honoured fashion with their ongoing half hearted measures trying to be all things to all people and satisfying none.
This will drag on long after all on Ozpolitics today are dead and buried.

Peter -- yes we can hope for peace,, as can too be said

Tzetekh l'shalom v'shuvekh l'shalom - go but also return with peace too,

Is different arguments I see here but for me just be care of terror suspects who hide in the refugees,

They can do this and you believe their story's which are false,,

We experience this many times as refugee camps is hiding place for Palestinian terror who bomb schoolchildren on bus too,

Australia is nice country be care to keep out terror people's as you are far away you can do this

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 11:37am:


The Sri Lankan government has already warned our government last year of the very real possibility of Tamil Tiger terrorists escaping justice in Sri Lanka, heading for Christmas Island on a smugglers boat and our government has done nothing.
Naturally, they arrive with no passports or identification.
Why?
They have something to hide.

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 11:15am:


Typical leftard calling on Israel to stop retaliating while they say nothing about all the rockets fired into Israel.

So how many rockets should they endure before retaliating?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

The Arab-Jew problem is a conflict based on religion,Islam hates the Jews.

"they are enemies not becaue they occupied Palestine,they would have been enemies even if they did not occupy a thing"

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:


Your video says it all Baronvonrort.
If the Palestinians laid down there arms tomorrow there would be peace.
If Israel laid down there arms tomorrow, they would be destroyed the day after.
This simple fact escapes your average left wing useful idiot.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 1:34pm:


Only 4 boat people in detention?
Where were the 4,000 asylum seekers a year that flew in under Howards watch kept?

adelcrow wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 2:17pm:


Yes there were only 4 boat people in detention when Labor dismantled the policy that stopped the boats which has resulted in a billion dollar debacle.

We have mandatory detention for asylum seekers so why does this number you never cite any evidence for contradict detention centre stats?

Baron you are such a big person that you can't even admit you got something wrong.

You have no idea what other people think. Half the time you don't even know what you think. The other half, most of it spent here, you show no ability to think at all.

Goodbye and good luck.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 6:35pm:



Sounds a bit low, doesn't it?


"13 Times More Illegal Immigrants Arrive By Plane Than By Boat"

"Figures obtained by The Advertiser from the Immigration Department and under the Freedom of Information Act show plane arrivals from the United States (5080) and Britain (3610) are near the top of the list of those in the country without a valid visa. China (8070), and Malaysia (4200) round out the top four."

http://www.gettingdownunder.com/2011/11/21/13-times-more-illegal-immigrants-arri...


"Asylum-seekers arrive by plane, not boat"

"EVERY day, at least 13 asylum-seekers enter Australia through airports, representing 30 times the number of boat people that are supposedly "flooding" across our maritime borders."

http://www.news.com.au/national/asylum-seekers-arrive-by-plane-not-boat/story-e6...

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 6:35pm:



Not sure whose ass this came from, but I'm sure you'll want to investigate:

"EVERY day, at least 13 asylum-seekers enter Australia through airports, representing 30 times the number of boat people that are supposedly "flooding" across our maritime borders. "

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/asylum-seekers-arrive-by-plane-not-boat/story-e6frfkvr-1225790981775#ixzz1peF8pyit

Uncle Meat wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 7:17pm:


A visa overstayer cannot claim asylum the migration act is very clear with this.

A visa overstayer is not an asylum seeker they cannot claim asylum they get deported if they dont leave voluntarily.
The leftards include visa overstayers who will be deported and cannot claim centrelink in their numbers of air arrivals.
It is pathetic and dishonest of the leftards to say a visa overstayer who arrived by plane is somehow comparable to boat person who chucks their passport away before claiming asylum.

Your other link
In 2007-08 ,3987 claims for asylum were received and 1930 of these were approved.
That is less than half (48%) who arrive by plane with a valid visa and passport who are considered genuine refugees.

Yet these leftards think those who come by boat are all genuine.
3200 out of 3237 boat people surveyed said they disposed of their passports before coming to Australia by boat after flying into Indonesia.

Plane arrivals-Have passport and valid visa yet Less than half are refugees by your link!
Boat arrivals- chuck away your passport like almost 99% of them do and the useful idiots from the left will say you are genuine.

I think it is pathetic how the leftards try to add visa overstayers who arrive by plane with a visa and passport who cannot claim asylum or centrelink or dept of housing or medicare to the numbers of asylum seekers arriving by plane.

This is very good point.

You know when Muslims run from the terror,, is because of failures of Islam and the Muslim policy of oppression to the women.

But they come to the west country and then also wish to still bring the Islam too, for me is crazy,,

I also say i do know some Arab Muslims that has live near in Tel Aviv

Oh look. An Islamophobic circle jerk.

What a surprise.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 9:31pm:


You seem to be in a good mood Annie, Is your husband out with his other wife?Perhaps he might be looking for a second wife?
He could be out with a pox infected $5 dollar hooker we know misyar nikah (temporary marriage) are alllowed for sunni muslims in these times of lust.
We know it is Australian law that tries to prevent polygamy yet it is OK  in Islam.

Islamophobia is a bullshit word invented by muslims to demonise critics of Islam to silence them because Islam is a fascist ideology that usually beheads critics of Islam, they have a blasphemy law to justify killing critics of Islam.

Islamophobia is a word that is technically and logically incorrect which is what you expect to get from Islam.

Quote:


Islam is a ideology,a set of beliefs it is a fallacy that one can be phobic of an ideology.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 10:27pm:



Stop projecting your fantasies onto my husband.

You'll throw the rhythm you and your circle buddies have going.

Quote:


Bad egg? You're slipping.

Peter -- a lot of Muslims they go from the country because of laws and government base on islamic law.

See Somalia, as the stonings,, see Saudi and the women not allowed anything,, see afghanistan and taliban beatings of women and not allow to study and have job etc,,

Please this is religion of Islam which makes them must leave yes?

I know as peoples have said that there is not so good Jewish actions before on women and Orthodox problems,, i know this but is not my argument this time,

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2012 at 12:14am:


If you are not sufficiently knowledgeable about Islam what makes you think you are qualified to give an opinion is it because you are a leftist?

Muslims will tell you there  are no contradictions in the Quran, the fine print says it cannot be from Allah if there are contradictions.
http://quran.com/4/82

Muslims are not allowed to cherry pick the Quran is very specific on this-
http://quran.com/2/85

Islam does preach an eye for an eye
http://quran.com/5/45

Read all english translations as some words dont translate well from Arabic.

Sharia law is gods laws, muslims will say gods laws as told by Mohammad then made into a book about 23 years after Mohammad died are superior to man made laws.

The Quran calls muslims who dont take Islam seriously "munafiq" which means hypocrite.

The christians accept separation of church and state so look at the mad mullah's who run Iran and tell yourself they are similar religions.

The christians stopped killing heretics a smacking long time ago,Islam still kills people for apostasy,blasphemy,adultery,homosexuality.