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Reply #75 - May 18th, 2013 at 7:19pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 7:08pm:
"lying eyes"?  I am nonplussed.  I deny the existence of "separate races" because there are none.  We all belong to the one "race", the Human Race.



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C'mon.

Look at these 2 pictures:

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You telling me you can't see any difference between those guys?  You're really gonna sit there and lie to me like that?

How many times have you said "there's only one race, the human race" now?  It's like a mantra you're repeating to convince yourself.  Don't bother man.  The truth will set you free!
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Reply #76 - May 18th, 2013 at 7:23pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 7:08pm:
You're the one who appears to be denying all the scientific findings which disprove the concept of "race".





Pretty sure there is no such study.  But, I'm always eager to learn - if you know of one, can ya share it with me?
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Reply #77 - May 18th, 2013 at 8:44pm
 
... wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 7:19pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 7:08pm:
"lying eyes"?  I am nonplussed.  I deny the existence of "separate races" because there are none.  We all belong to the one "race", the Human Race.



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C'mon.

Look at these 2 pictures:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DMbWqcUYwtM/TyIjFsYWPAI/AAAAAAAABDw/ECH4w3ecqp8/s1600/...

http://japaniatours.co.za/images/heritage/zulu%20man.jpg

You telling me you can't see any difference between those guys?  You're really gonna sit there and lie to me like that?


I can see physical differences.  However, both men have exactly the same genes, therefore the differences are superficial and the emphasis you place on them is a social construct and has no basis in science.  I am unsure why you are unable or unwilling to accept this simple, basic scientific reality.

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How many times have you said "there's only one race, the human race" now?  It's like a mantra you're repeating to convince yourself.  Don't bother man.  The truth will set you free!


I am not convincing myself, I know it.  You however appear to have real difficulties coming to grips with it.

Tell me, what "race" is this person?

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Reply #78 - May 18th, 2013 at 8:47pm
 
... wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 7:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 7:08pm:
You're the one who appears to be denying all the scientific findings which disprove the concept of "race".



Pretty sure there is no such study.  But, I'm always eager to learn - if you know of one, can ya share it with me?


This might enlighten you to how the concept of "race" is a social construct...
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Reply #79 - May 18th, 2013 at 9:31pm
 
The non-belief in racial differences is a social construct.  Grin
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Reply #80 - May 18th, 2013 at 9:37pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 8:44pm:
I can see physical differences.  However, both men have exactly the same genes



If they had exactly the same genes, there wouldn't be any differences to see.  Maybe a scar or something, but the structure would be identical.

Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 8:44pm:
therefore the differences are superficial



Genes control all a persons traits, not just those you can see.  Genes don't play by the rules of your fad ideology. 

Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 8:44pm:
the emphasis you place on them is a social construct and has no basis in science.



The emphasis I, or anyone places on it is their perorgative, and not a question for science.  The issue here is whether it exists.

Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 8:44pm:
I am unsure why you are unable or unwilling to accept this simple, basic scientific reality.


Because it defies science.  

Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 8:44pm:
I am not convincing myself, I know it.


That's the spirit. 

Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 8:44pm:
You however appear to have real difficulties coming to grips with it.


yeah.  I believe in evolution.  Creationist bullshit never did sit well with me.

Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 8:44pm:
Tell me, what "race" is this person?



A mixture of a few by the looks of it.  What breed of dog is this?

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Reply #81 - May 18th, 2013 at 9:49pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 8:47pm:
... wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 7:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 7:08pm:
You're the one who appears to be denying all the scientific findings which disprove the concept of "race".



Pretty sure there is no such study.  But, I'm always eager to learn - if you know of one, can ya share it with me?


This might enlighten you to how the concept of "race" is a social construct...


You didn't read it right until the end, did you?  Grin Grin

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This new construction of race…is socially inflected—but
it is not solely a social construct because biology is front and center
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Reply #82 - May 18th, 2013 at 10:09pm
 
... wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 7:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 7:08pm:
You're the one who appears to be denying all the scientific findings which disprove the concept of "race".





Pretty sure there is no such study.  But, I'm always eager to learn - if you know of one, can ya share it with me?


We’ve been secretly posting them throughout this thread. Only those with eyes to see will find them.

Don’t bother looking. Your ability to open a link is not great at the best of times. As for actual reading, forget about it.

Anyway, you know already. Why bother?
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Reply #83 - May 18th, 2013 at 10:32pm
 
Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 10:09pm:
Anyway, you know already. Why bother?



So that I can use them against you. 

oh...I've said too much.
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Reply #84 - May 18th, 2013 at 10:52pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 9:31pm:
The non-belief in racial differences is a social construct.  Grin


Such differences are superficial physical ones, nothing more.

Get back us when you understand the genetics, Mist.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #85 - May 18th, 2013 at 10:59pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 10:52pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 9:31pm:
The non-belief in racial differences is a social construct.  Grin


Such differences are superficial physical ones, nothing more.

Get back us when you understand the genetics, Mist.   Roll Eyes

hey Brian...since you understand the genetics so well, maybe you can help me with a nagging question:

How is it that genes work precisely in accordance with how the current zeitgeist wants them to? 

I mean, I just can't figure out why a completely different set of rules would apply to the expression of genes that we can see, and those we don't. 

Thoughts? 


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Reply #86 - May 18th, 2013 at 11:00pm
 
... wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 9:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 8:44pm:
I can see physical differences.  However, both men have exactly the same genes



If they had exactly the same genes, there wouldn't be any differences to see.  Maybe a scar or something, but the structure would be identical.


You really don't understand how genetics work, do you?   All humans share the same genes, it is what makes us human.  How those genes combine determine our physical characteristics.   Physical characteristics however are just that, physical characteristics, they do not make us different to the point where we cannot interbreed.  If they did, then we would be separate species.   The "races" aren't, though, are they?  Therefore while you concentrate on those physical differences, in reality they are meaningless, except socially.

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Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 8:44pm:
therefore the differences are superficial


Genes control all a persons traits, not just those you can see.  Genes don't play by the rules of your fad ideology. 


What "fad ideology"?  I am expressing the scientific opinion on the issue.   You however are attempting to claim that the social reaction to physical differences is important.  It is, if you're a racist.  I am not.  Are you?

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Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 8:44pm:
the emphasis you place on them is a social construct and has no basis in science.


The emphasis I, or anyone places on it is their perorgative, and not a question for science.  The issue here is whether it exists.


As science has shown, the concept of "race" is non-existent.  You appear unable or unwilling to accept this reality for some strange reason.   Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 8:44pm:
I am unsure why you are unable or unwilling to accept this simple, basic scientific reality.


Because it defies science.  


Does it?  Please demonstrate how it does so.

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Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 8:44pm:
I am not convincing myself, I know it.


That's the spirit. 

Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 8:44pm:
You however appear to have real difficulties coming to grips with it.


yeah.  I believe in evolution.  Creationist bullshit never did sit well with me.


I suspect you understand evolution about as well as it appears you understand genetics.   Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 8:44pm:
Tell me, what "race" is this person?


A mixture of a few by the looks of it.  What breed of dog is this?

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_366/1234697201hj03fq.jpg



Immaterial to the argument.  If you believe "race" means there are substantial differences between groups which affect their ability to interbreed or make them somehow "inferior" to other groups, then I'd suggest you are an idiot.  "Race" in the way racists use the term is based upon their prejudices, not scientific reality.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #87 - May 18th, 2013 at 11:01pm
 
... wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 10:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 10:52pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 9:31pm:
The non-belief in racial differences is a social construct.  Grin


Such differences are superficial physical ones, nothing more.

Get back us when you understand the genetics, Mist.   Roll Eyes

hey Brian...since you understand the genetics so well, maybe you can help me with a nagging question:

How is it that genes work precisely in accordance with how the current zeitgeist wants them to? 

I mean, I just can't figure out why a completely different set of rules would apply to the expression of genes that we can see, and those we don't. 

Thoughts? 


You're talking nonsense.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #88 - May 18th, 2013 at 11:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 11:01pm:
... wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 10:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 10:52pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 9:31pm:
The non-belief in racial differences is a social construct.  Grin


Such differences are superficial physical ones, nothing more.

Get back us when you understand the genetics, Mist.   Roll Eyes

hey Brian...since you understand the genetics so well, maybe you can help me with a nagging question:

How is it that genes work precisely in accordance with how the current zeitgeist wants them to? 

I mean, I just can't figure out why a completely different set of rules would apply to the expression of genes that we can see, and those we don't. 

Thoughts? 


You're talking nonsense.   Roll Eyes


OK, let me put it another way.  Why are the only genetic differences the ones we can see?


What causes the genetic representations we can see to differ, but those we can't to be identical?  It's a distinction that's a little too politically convenient to be correct, wouldn't you say?  I mean, you are the expert on genetics here, so if anyone would know, I figure it'd be you.
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Reply #89 - May 18th, 2013 at 11:10pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 10:52pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 9:31pm:
The non-belief in racial differences is a social construct.  Grin


Such differences are superficial physical ones, nothing more.

Get back us when you understand the genetics, Mist.   Roll Eyes



So you're a proponent of the blank slate theory?
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