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Reply #60 - May 18th, 2013 at 12:34pm
 
Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 12:32pm:
You changed the question. Sneaky.


yeh, and added a few more.  I don't have all day to play this game you know. 
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Reply #61 - May 18th, 2013 at 2:08pm
 
JC Denton wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 1:39am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 9:47pm:
JC Denton wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 5:27pm:
brian ross is that who i think you are


Sorry?  I am me.  Who do you think I am?   Roll Eyes


hoighty toighty morally indignant arrogant bastard who feels it necessary to stick on a " Roll Eyes " at the end of every post - is that you ziggy?!?!!?

bugger me, pull the stick out of your bum hole son.


"ziggy"?  Never heard the name before.  I have always posted under my real name.

I add the rolling eyes because that conveys my opinion of so many of the opinions posted here.  They are demonstrably based upon ignorance and all too often prejudice.

You got a problem with me expressing my opinion?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #62 - May 18th, 2013 at 2:09pm
 
Mnemonic wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 2:05am:
... wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 12:00am:
Nobody needs a study to tell them there's such a thing as race when their own eyes will do. 

Genes cause a persons basic characteristics.  It's just simple cause & effect. 


Our "race" is determined by our outer appearance. That's about it.


Spot on, sir!  Well said! 
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Reply #63 - May 18th, 2013 at 2:20pm
 
It's not spot on, nor well said.  It's a blatant falsehood.
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Reply #64 - May 18th, 2013 at 3:14pm
 
... wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 2:20pm:
It's not spot on, nor well said.  It's a blatant falsehood.


"Race" as the term is generally used has no scientific basis.  It is a social constructed created by those who believe they are superior to people who look different to them.  Therefore, it is a reaction to physical appearance and behavior.

There is only one "race", the Human Race.   Anybody who suggests otherwise doesn't understand the genetics.

Therefore, what was said was well said and made the same points in far fewer words.

I often wonder why so many people are so insecure about themselves over this issue.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #65 - May 18th, 2013 at 3:46pm
 
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Reply #66 - May 18th, 2013 at 5:23pm
 
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If genes for the appearance of skin, hair, and facial structure differ, why not genes for the million other traits?  I don't think genes care about conforming to such arbitrary distinctions.


The millions of other traits don't determine our "race." They may lead to certain health problems, disorders or deformities or provide certain benefits, but they don't determine your "race."

Is there a six-fingered or four-fingered race? A race prone to heart disease? High blood pressure? Diabetes? Iron deficiency? Prostate cancer? Epilepsy? Lactose intolerance? If genes define our "race," then these people could also belong to different races. Let me now introduce you to the high blood pressure community, the diabetes, iron deficiency community. Let's discuss their rights.
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Reply #67 - May 18th, 2013 at 5:24pm
 
JC Denton wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 3:46pm:
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The only people whom get their knickers in a twist over the issue of "race" are racists, Secondary Unit.
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Reply #68 - May 18th, 2013 at 6:16pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 5:24pm:
JC Denton wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 3:46pm:
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The only people whom get their knickers in a twist over the issue of "race" are racists, Secondary Unit.


so i take it you're a racist then? you're the one getting their knickers in a twist, getting all agitated and antsy at any discussion of race.

i'm as cool as a cucumber, son.
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Reply #69 - May 18th, 2013 at 6:39pm
 
Racial differences are as "real" as family differences. People live together in a particular climate, doing particular things and doing things a certain way, and they start to develop similar traits and appearances.

Same as families of coopers, ironsmiths and goat herders - to a point. Acquired traits are not passed down.

It doesn’t mean they will always live this way or be stuck with certain genetic traits. Much of central Asia is descended from nomadic Mongols and horsemen. Now many of them are farmers, factory workers or work in IT.

Modern Greeks look nothing like ancient Greeks. Europeans are taller. The chinks are getting fatter now they eat meat. Things change.

Sure, there must be a genetic code that makes my hair cells grow brown hairs and others grow black hairs, but is this race?

The scientists say no. Who to believe?
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Reply #70 - May 18th, 2013 at 6:51pm
 
Mnemonic wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 5:23pm:
The millions of other traits don't determine our "race." They may lead to certain health problems, disorders or deformities or provide certain benefits, but they don't determine your "race."



Well something causes chinesies to have slitty eyes and Islanders to have fuzzy hair.  If it ain't genes it must be...

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Reply #71 - May 18th, 2013 at 6:53pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 3:14pm:
I often wonder why so many people are so insecure about themselves over this issue.    Roll Eyes


yeah.  'sepcially when they're so insecure they have to deny what their own lying eyes tell them with some convoluted doublethink.

Me, I just take the truth as it comes.  Aint no thang to me.
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Reply #72 - May 18th, 2013 at 6:58pm
 
So does my next door neighbour’s goldfish.

I guess that’s why you’re called Honky, Honky.
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Reply #73 - May 18th, 2013 at 7:02pm
 
... wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 6:51pm:
Mnemonic wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 5:23pm:
The millions of other traits don't determine our "race." They may lead to certain health problems, disorders or deformities or provide certain benefits, but they don't determine your "race."



Well something causes chinesies to have slitty eyes and Islanders to have fuzzy hair.  If it ain't genes it must be...

...magic!




It is genes but those genes are not exclusive to either Chinese or Islanders.  We all have the same genes, it is how they combine which determine our features.   Chinese people look Chinese 'cause their genes are ordered a particular way.  By breeding with other people (ie Chinese) who share the same genetic order, they reinforce that order.  However, it does not prevent them from breeding with non-[insert "racial" group].  If it did, we would have different species of humans.  We don't.

You can get Europeans or Indians or Africans with Asiatic features if their genes combine in that way which creates them.   I've known Yogoslavs which look like they'd just stepped down off a Mongol Pony, despite there being no Mongolians in their family since the 13th Century when the Mongolians invaded the Balkans last.  I've known Eurasians who looked more European than Asian, despite half their genes being from both groups.  I've know Europeans who'd pass for Indians once their skin got a tan.  These appearances are essentially superficial, just as your reaction to them is.   Roll Eyes

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Reply #74 - May 18th, 2013 at 7:08pm
 
... wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 6:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 3:14pm:
I often wonder why so many people are so insecure about themselves over this issue.    Roll Eyes


yeah.  'sepcially when they're so insecure they have to deny what their own lying eyes tell them with some convoluted doublethink.

Me, I just take the truth as it comes.  Aint no thang to me.


"lying eyes"?  I am nonplussed.  I deny the existence of "separate races" because there are none.  We all belong to the one "race", the Human Race.

You're the one who appears to be denying all the scientific findings which disprove the concept of "race".

As I have pointed out, we all share the same genes.  It is simply how they are ordered which determine our appearance.   You seem though, to put a great deal of stock in those appearances.   I wonder why?  Does it offend you to think we are all descended from Africans and all share the same genes as Asians or Africans or Indians or Europeans or Australian Aborigines?     Roll Eyes
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