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Reply #30 - May 10th, 2013 at 8:47am
 
Anyone read The Conversation? It's a site where academics write articles. http://theconversation.com/au

A potentially interesting article on the genetic history of Europeans basically just became a rant about "racists."
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Scientists have uncovered what, for some couples, may be an uncomfortable truth: all people of European descent are related.

Go back a few generations and even people from opposite ends of the European continent share common ancestors, according to a new study of genome data published today in the journal PLOS Biology.

Researchers from the University of California, Davis, conducted what they described as one of the first surveys of recent European genealogical ancestry over the past 3,000 years.

“We detected 1.9 million shared long genomic segments, and used the lengths of these to infer the distribution of shared ancestors across time and geography,” the scientists wrote in their paper.

“We find that a pair of modern Europeans living in neighbouring populations share around 12 genetic common ancestors from the last 1,500 years, and upwards of 100 genetic ancestors from the previous 1,000 years.”

The researchers concluded that “individuals from opposite ends of Europe are still expected to share millions of common genealogical ancestors over the last 1,000 years.”

One of the co-authors of the paper, Graham Coop from the University of California, Davis, said the study focused on Europe.

“While it is likely true that all humans world-wide likely share all common ancestors a few thousand years ago, we can only demonstrate this in Europe so far,” he said.

Pause for thought

Associate Professor Darren Curnoe, a human evolution specialist at the University of New South Wales, said the findings should be a major pause for thought.

“This research greatly reinforces the idea that we living humans are all exceptionally closely related, no matter where we live today or our perceptions of our ancestry,” said Dr Curnoe, who was not involved in the study.

“Bigotry based on "race” should be seen for what it is, completely divorced from biological reality. We all share very recent direct ancestors no matter where you come from."

The new findings also apply to Australians of European heritage, he said.

“We can all trace our immediate ancestors back only a handful of generations, only a few thousand years. The differences we think we see are remarkably superficial and largely biologically meaningless,” he said.

“If your ancestors are from a relatively small part of Europe, especially say Eastern Europe, then all of your direct genetic ancestors may have lived only in the last thousand years. For the whole of Europe, this might be just a few thousand years.”

The end of ‘race’?

Professor Maciej Henneberg, Wood Jones Professor of Anthropological and Comparative Anatomy at the University of Adelaide said the findings mean that “all Australians of European heritage are closely related and there is no use distinguishing between Australians of English or Irish ancestry and those of Greek or Italian heritage.”

“Biological anthropologists have argued for the last 50 years that human species cannot be divided into "races” because all humans are so closely related that there is not enough difference between gene pools of people living in different continents to produce reliable biological distinctions between Africans, Europeans, Asians and so on,“ said Professor Henneberg, who was not involved in the study.

“The few externally visible differences like skin colour or nose shape are not enough to justify divisions.”

Professor Henneberg said it was no wonder all Europeans were related.

“In a densely populated continent, genes travel through neighbourly contact. In one generation, somebody marries someone from the next village, in the next, a person from that village marries somebody from yet another village further away and so on,” he said.

“This way, with nobody moving more than 20 kilometres in a generation, a gene can travel about 2000 kilometres (the distance from Berlin to Madrid) in 3000 years.”


http://theconversation.com/family-ties-study-finds-all-europeans-are-related-140...
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Reply #31 - May 10th, 2013 at 8:50am
 
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Professor Maciej Henneberg, Wood Jones Professor of Anthropological and Comparative Anatomy at the University of Adelaide said the findings mean that “all Australians of European heritage are closely related and there is no use distinguishing between Australians of English or Irish ancestry and those of Greek or Italian heritage.”


And those of aboriginal heritage? 

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there is not enough difference between gene pools of people living in different continents to produce reliable biological distinctions between Africans, Europeans, Asians and so on,“ said Professor Henneberg, who was not involved in the study.


I must be really perceptive, becasue I can, with just the naked eye, see "reliable distinctions."  Watch as I demonstarte my mastery:

I deduce this guy is African

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I deduce that this girl is Jpanaese

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And this man is Injun

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Reply #32 - May 10th, 2013 at 9:23am
 
The Conversation is replete with these type of articles. It's mostly just academics inserting their trendy morality into every topic under the sun.
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Reply #33 - May 11th, 2013 at 1:57pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 10th, 2013 at 9:23am:
The Conversation is replete with these type of articles. It's mostly just academics inserting their trendy morality into every topic under the sun.


So you’re essentially saying you want academics to write things that agree with your point of view. And you think it’s the end of "academic freedom" if they don’t.

The article above is a good point - a biological study finds no genetic difference in Europeans. Its findings - that bigotry based on race has no biological standing - discomforts you. Would you prefer the study to state the opposite? Skew its research? Bury its findings?

Not say anything at all?

Yes, that would certainly be academic freedom.

On Australian history though, I think you’ve got a point. However, the more negative historians seem to have had their day. "Middle road" historians like Grace Karskens have come to dominate Australian history. It’s a view that questions much of the "fatal shore" myth of Australian history, along with the notion of invasion.

However, Karskens does not shy away from the horror stories of our history. They can’t be denied.

Presumably, you believe they should not be mentioned - academic freedom, you see.
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Reply #34 - May 11th, 2013 at 3:32pm
 
A reasonable gauge of academic freedom would be if an opposing view got published on The Conversation or in an academic journal of some description. Are there any academics claiming an opposing view? Let me know, and I'll believe it when I see it. 

The article itself started out interesting (it links to the actual study in the early part) but then it just became an opportunity to moralise. 

I only really put it in this thread because it was the closest to relevance, and I didn't want to start a new thread.
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Reply #35 - May 11th, 2013 at 3:37pm
 
Academic freedom doesn't really exist. Peer-reviewers act as gate-keepers of what is considered desired or good knowledge.
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Reply #36 - May 11th, 2013 at 3:42pm
 
I mean, if you have a bunch of postmodern trendies peer-reviewing a journal  do you think they'll allow strongly opposing views? Take The Journal of Refugee Studies. Do you think they'll publish an article that advocates ceasing foreign aid, withdrawing from the UN, and stating these problem countries need to fix their own issues?

Hardly.
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Reply #37 - May 11th, 2013 at 8:46pm
 
Universities are funded by government, not students. That's why there is no diversity of views.
For hundreds of years a professor earned his income from the students who subscribed to his lectures. Now he gets his money from the government.
universities, like free cities, were set up precisely to be outside of and free of the prince's influence. Now they are fighting tooth and claw to remain on the public teat.
The political teat, the fickle, non-free, utterly dependent teat. (what an image!)

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Reply #38 - May 12th, 2013 at 12:22am
 
An image only rivalled by your colostomy tube, old chap.

The Amerikan universities live off the corporate teat. Your hallowed students of yore lived off their rich parents who, most likely, chose their courses for them.

The public teat may well be the closest we get to being free from Uncle and Daddy’s influence.

As fickle as it is.
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Reply #39 - May 12th, 2013 at 12:46am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 11th, 2013 at 3:42pm:
I mean, if you have a bunch of postmodern trendies peer-reviewing a journal  do you think they'll allow strongly opposing views? Take The Journal of Refugee Studies. Do you think they'll publish an article that advocates ceasing foreign aid, withdrawing from the UN, and stating these problem countries need to fix their own issues?

Hardly.


Yes, Mistie - postmodern biologists. Trendy anatomists.

The one thing these disciplines can’t ignore is a compelling new idea based on proof.

Grace Karkens, the historian I mentioned, based her histriographical stance on archaeological digs in Sydney’s Rocks. She didn’t just wake up one day with an idea - she spent ten years sifting through broken crockery, disgarded oyster shells AND letters and journals. 

And she wrote of life in the early colony of Sydney where Aboriginals and convicts lived in close proximity, shared tools, bottles, fishing and water sources. And in doing so, she debunked the invasion narrative, which formerly had found its way into Australian history through the novels of writers like Eleanor Dark.

If this is postmodern trendyism, it’s strange that it uses hard archaeological evidence to deconstruct fiction.

Still, perhaps it would be nicer if we all sat at home and griped.

Now that would be academic freedom.
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Reply #40 - May 12th, 2013 at 1:45pm
 
I wouldn't call that trendyism. I have read histories that explain the interactions between Aboriginals and the early settlers. These are actually quite interesting. The key word here is "explain," not moralise.
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Reply #41 - May 17th, 2013 at 10:24am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 12th, 2013 at 1:45pm:
I wouldn't call that trendyism. I have read histories that explain the interactions between Aboriginals and the early settlers. These are actually quite interesting. The key word here is "explain," not moralise.


Darren Curnoe, the author of the study you mention, did explain - in his findings. Read the linked abstract - nothing moralistic there. Your quote is an interview with him.

The petty rivalry and bigotry among Europeans is profound. Darren Curnoe is pointing out the relevance of his findings - that there is no genetic difference between Europeans.

Likewise, the Human Genome Project have found no genes that cause race. They've found genetic propensities towards diseases which are more prevalent within some races, but they've discovered no genes for race itself.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/human-genome-project-announces-race-does-not-exist

For a more in-depth discussion:

http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/ogandy/C45405%20resources/McCann%20race%20human%20genome.pdf

This is science, not moralizing. The question, from a scientific point of view, is how we can conceptualize a biological phenomenon such as race, when there is no biological evidence for it. Cultural, sure, but not biological.

If you're after hard science, this is what you'll get. The moralizing is just an add-on. Do with this information what you will.
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Reply #42 - May 17th, 2013 at 2:48pm
 
"Race" is a social construct, created out of fear of the "other".  It is promulgated through those that feel the need to denigrate others on the basis of physical appearance rather than any underlying genetic differences.  It was used to justify (largely but not completely) European imperialism and in particular the slave trade to the New World from the ~16th century onwards.  It has been reinforced through the creation of disciplines such as Anthropology and Sociology within the Academic sphere.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #43 - May 17th, 2013 at 3:00pm
 
Big Donger wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 10:24am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 12th, 2013 at 1:45pm:
I wouldn't call that trendyism. I have read histories that explain the interactions between Aboriginals and the early settlers. These are actually quite interesting. The key word here is "explain," not moralise.


Darren Curnoe, the author of the study you mention, did explain - in his findings. Read the linked abstract - nothing moralistic there. Your quote is an interview with him.

The petty rivalry and bigotry among Europeans is profound. Darren Curnoe is pointing out the relevance of his findings - that there is no genetic difference between Europeans.

Likewise, the Human Genome Project have found no genes that cause race. They've found genetic propensities towards diseases which are more prevalent within some races, but they've discovered no genes for race itself.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/human-genome-project-announces-race-does-not-exist

For a more in-depth discussion:

http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/ogandy/C45405%20resources/McCann%20race%20human%20genome.pdf

This is science, not moralizing. The question, from a scientific point of view, is how we can conceptualize a biological phenomenon such as race, when there is no biological evidence for it. Cultural, sure, but not biological.

If you're after hard science, this is what you'll get. The moralizing is just an add-on. Do with this information what you will.


The link is to a study by Ralph and Coop. I read it and it is interesting. There is no finger-wagging moralising in the article. It is a very well written academic piece that simply reports on the findings, with a few speculations here and there. The finger-wagging is inserted into a commentary piece on the article by Curnoe.

The Conversation seems to be a site where trendies flock to espouse their personal morality.
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Reply #44 - May 17th, 2013 at 5:27pm
 
brian ross is that who i think you are
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