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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Duties of a Muslim towards a non-Muslim Reply #75 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 1:56pm sprint, What would your duty as an Australian citizen be towards massive waves of illegal immigrants who began forming militias and attacking Aussie towns, massacring people to take the country over?
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Reply #76 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 2:50pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

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What would your duty as an Australian citizen be towards massive waves of illegal immigrants who began forming militias and attacking Aussie towns, massacring people to take the country over?

This is not true and the massacres has come not from our side,,

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Reply #77 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 2:54pm

The entire entity of "Israel" could not have existed without the massacres. Without Plan Dalet, Deir Yassin etc. the Zionists would've remained a tiny little minority in Palestine and could never have formed a state. These actions were crucial to the founding of the state, and those who ordered these actions knew it all too well, in fact that's how they rationalised it.

"Israel" came about through force, and so it will be demolished through force.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Duties of a Muslim towards a non-Muslim Reply #78 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 2:56pm So if you listen to what is that you say -- Tel Aviv is not my home and is should not even be close to it? This is not senseworthy argument to have.
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Duties of a Muslim towards a non-Muslim Reply #79 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 2:58pm Israel will not ever be destroyed. We Israeli defend our homeland to last person there. We never leave. Never.
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Reply #80 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 3:31pm

And you know something I am Israeli of respectworthy behavior and speak with arabs in tel aviv.

Also in Army I had not deliberate shoot to Palestinian rock throwers because I can see women and some under 18s there too. See Israeli like me is peaceful people and is up to Arabs when they want to make enemy of me and make me think different than now.

What happen then is people like I support harder politicians of Israel and we have more fights. Look at Hamas now with their attacks of South Israel,,

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Reply #81 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 6:33pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 2:50pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

sprint,

What would your duty as an Australian citizen be towards massive waves of illegal immigrants who began forming militias and attacking Aussie towns, massacring people to take the country over?

This is not true and the massacres has come not from our side,,

Sounds like you listen to to much Israeli Army propaganda. In Deir Yassin Hundreds of women and children slaughtered by Jewish gangs

http://www.deiryassin.org/mas.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/05/13/the-deir-yassin-massacre/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

Jewish Army kills nearly 1000 civilians in Gaza:

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The PCHR said its list, including determining the number of civilians, is based on thorough research. It said among the dead were 926 civilians, including 313 minors under the age of 18 and 116 women.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29778337/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/rights-group-names-gaza-war-dead/#.T12yknlYWSo

Doctor: 90% of war casualties at Gaza hospital were civilians

http://www.haaretz.com/news/doctor-90-of-war-casualties-at-gaza-hospital-were-ci...

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Reply #82 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 7:30pm

falah wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 7:56am:

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 10:31pm:

Usually in a war it is up to the losing side to decide when to end hostilities. For some reason a lot of people get this backwards for palestine - that because they are losing so badly there is no need for them to surrender and they are somehow not complete idiots for continuing to fire rockets into Israel. By Islamic standards (wholesale rape and enslavement) they are getting pretty good treatment.

You have forgotten one group in your equation. The Arabs. Palestinians are Arabs. Israel is performing a balancing act. On the one hand persecuting the Palestinians, on the other hand trying not to persecute too much in case they cause revolutions that topple the friendly dictators installed by the Zionists in the region.

Arrogant Israelis will push their limits too far one day, and 300 million Arabs will be heading their way.

And this time it will be a glorious Islamic victory? Or will the Israelis just mow them down once more and take a few more chunks of Palestine for good measure? I am starting to sound like Abu and his 'passive expansion' theory of Islamic warmongering.

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Firstly, Palestine had no government at the time, it was under mandate. Secondly the mandate administrator, the British, declared their immigration illegal. You lose on both fronts.

Did they do anything about it?

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Firstly no such entity as Israel existed at the time. When you can get that through your thick head, get back to me.

Yes but I am sure you know where Israel is even if the boundaries weren't around at the time.

Did the league of nations set limits on how many Jews were allowed to migrat to Israel?

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Of course many Zionists will be at ease with the issue, since they have something to gain by it. Muslims & Christians only have something to lose, so of course they'd not be at ease with it

Yet they happily bring it on. I am not aware of many Christians trying to justify lobbing rockets at Israel then complaining when their house gets blown up. They are probably wishing they were living in Israel.

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Any illegal entity attempting to overrun someone elses country of course seeks peace, since peace would legitimise their illegal presence. Any people being overrun by said illegal entity, would of course never accept it.

Yes they would Abu. This is the history of the world. All national borders that have ever existed were established by a process that the losers consider illegal. Only the Muslims continue fighting and getting themselves killed long after they have lost the war. Plenty of other countries have gone on to even greater prosperity in a very short time - by accepting the things you claim people cannot accept. The Germans refused to accept the outcome of WWI and the loss of territory. SO they went on to lose another war. After WWII the Germans and Japanese got over it pretty quickly and were much better off as a result. But neither of these countries would have been stupid enough to carry on like the Paletinians and lob rockets into Alsace for decades, bringing endless misery to themselves - even though they were treated far worse.

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The fact you can't see why this is the case fd says a lot.

I can see that Muslims are sore losers and will suffer for an eternity for it. I cannot see that this is universal.

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Reply #83 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 8:14pm

Gaza militants fired a fresh barrage of rockets on Monday morning toward the southern Israeli cities of Ashdod and Be'er Sheva, after an overnight IDF strike in Gaza that killed two Islamic Jihad militants and wounded 38 Palestinians.

Most of the rockets were intercepted by the Iron Dome anti-missile system, or exploded in open areas. One rocket fell in Eshkol Regional Council, and caused minor damage to a building.

Overnight, the Israel Air Force attacked six locations in strikes on the Gaza Strip, killing two Islamic Jihad militants, one Palestinian child, and wounding 38 others, including several children.

The IAF also killed another Palestinian militant who was launching a rocket toward Israel, as well as a weapons storage site and five rocket-launching sites.

The Home Front Command decided to once more cancel classes in most of the towns near Gaza.

On Sunday, residents of southern Israel suffered day under siege as Palestinians in the Gaza fired about 50 more rockets at the Negev.

Two Grad-type Katyusha rockets fell in Be'er Sheva after the Iron Dome battery that had been protecting it suffered a technical malfunction.

One rocket hit a school, which was empty since schools in the city were closed Sunday, and the other hit a parked car. Fifteen people were treated for shock, though there were no other casualties.

The rockets and the ball bearings that they ejected hundreds of meters caused heavy damage to buildings and vehicles. Another rocket hit a chicken coop in Moshav Carmia in the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council, causing heavy damage.

In Gaza, medics reported that Israeli air strikes killed three Palestinians, including a 12-year-old boy. A total of 18 Palestinians were killed in IAF strikes since Friday.
Since Friday, 104 rockets were fired toward Israel, 43 of which were intercepted by the Iron Dome defense systems. The IAF carried out 23 strikes in the Gaza Strip.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Duties of a Muslim towards a non-Muslim Reply #84 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 8:17pm מערכת כיפת ברזל בפעולה, מענה טקטי. צילום: גיל כהן מגן This is the new protection defences we has in Israel now which fires and stops rockets for the damage to Israeli citizens. This photo comes from yesterday in Ashdod
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Reply #85 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 9:47pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 1:54pm:

falah,

The interesting thing is, that all these staunch supporters of the mass illegal immigration of Jews into Palestine, also just happen to be the biggest whiners when it comes to illegal immigrants entering Australia. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

I sincerely pray that one day illegal immigrants become such a force in Australia that they are able to push these scumbags into refugee camps and take over, then I'd like to hear them repeat their positions regarding the Palestinians.

Your silly attempt at analogy would hold water only if the Aboriginese had been expelled from Australia and their descendants now sought to return.

Sri Lankand and Iranians coming to Australia are not descendants of Aboriginese.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Duties of a Muslim towards a non-Muslim Reply #86 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 11:45pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 2:56pm: So if you listen to what is that you say -- Tel Aviv is not my home and is should not even be close to it? Right.. Your home is probably in Latvia? Russia? Please do inform us where your grandparents come from.
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Reply #87 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 11:48pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 3:31pm:

And you know something I am Israeli of respectworthy behavior and speak with arabs in tel aviv.

Kinda like the racist who has "lotsa black friends" right?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 3:31pm:

Also in Army I had not deliberate shoot to Palestinian rock throwers..

Ohhh, how noble of you... so all the kids you murdered were just accidental shootings? As long as you didn't do any deliberately.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 3:31pm:

See Israeli like me is peaceful people and is up to Arabs when they want to make enemy of me and make me think different than now.

If you were truly peaceful, you'd have gone back to whence you came. Perhaps you're from Australia originally? So you have come back to your own country?

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Reply #88 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 11:54pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 8:14pm:

[size=11]Gaza militants fired a fresh barrage of rockets on Monday morning toward the southern Israeli cities of Ashdod and Be'er Sheva, after an overnight IDF strike in Gaza that killed two Islamic Jihad militants and wounded 38 Palestinians.

You mean the occupied Palestinian towns of Isdud? and Bi'r Saba?

If my family had been driven from their home, and some squatters were now living in them, I'd be firing rockets at the scumbags too.

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Reply #89 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 12:03am

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

Did they do anything about it?

How about you try something different? Like actually reading some history before commenting on it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliya_Bet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_White_Paper

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

Yet they happily bring it on. I am not aware of many Christians trying to justify lobbing rockets at Israel then complaining when their house gets blown up. They are probably wishing they were living in Israel.

Christians were active in the early years of the resistance in fact most of the leaders of early Palestinian militant groups were Christians, especially when it was based around socialist ideals. Since socialism withered away and the Muslims became more prominent in the struggle, most Christians have pulled back. Also many Palestinian Christians have migrated to other countries.

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