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Reply #60 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 5:50pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 4:45pm:

Understand please it is Jewish homeland and we never will leave.

Arabs must decide how they wish it.

Peace or the war as we can bring both to them easy.

This is what the Crusaders said... they lasted longer than the Jews have so far.

Fact is, once the U.S economy can no longer afford to sustain the Zionist entity, more and more Jews will leave and go back to their countries of origin. I only wish it was sooner rather than later, so the Palestinians don't have to suffer any more of this inhumanity that calls itself Israel.

Fact is, Zionists do not belong in the Middle East, they are a Europeanised people, whose culture, values etc. all belong in the West, not in the Middle East.

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Reply #62 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 9:14pm

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If you entered without permission from the people of that country, and you did so with a coupla hundred thousand other Aussies, all declaring you were going to push the inhabitants into the surrounding lands and take it over for yourself, yeh I'd say the Kiwis would consider it as such.

What if I did so with the government's permission, but not the 'people's' (I take it you mean Muslims by this) permission? Are you beginning to grasp the concept of legality yet? Or do you not distinguish between what Muslims want and what is legal?

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It was a League of Nations law, not a British one. Please get with the programme.

The league of nations set limits on how many Jews were allowed to migrat to Israel?

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What do Palestinians have to accept in order for there to be peace? Israel will keep branching out with settlements on Arab land.

I noticed Avram was pretty at ease with acknowledging the role of Jewish extremists in the conflict. Something tells me if Muslims did the same instead of blaming everyone but the palestinians the problem would disappear overnight. Israel has taken advantage of every aggressive act against it, including a few wars, to expand. It is only while the idiot palestinians throw rocks at tanks and get themselves shot that the settlers can go in under the international radar. I think there are too many Muslims surrounding Israel who will accept nothing less than Israel's complete destruction or a return to the borders before the first war with Israel, for Israel to ever take a peace offer seriously. They can either choose to accept the situation, call it quits and get on with whatever they have left, or keep on fighting till they have even less. I doubt the Israelis mind too much either way.

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Reply #63 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 9:47pm

when you see the actions from Gaza for 36 hours before now,, you can see this is how they want from us.

You know,, so is it,, if they want peace yes can they have it fromt us.

But,, must they want the tough reactions from us,, then they must know they will surely receive this too.

Israel do not be attacked and stay quiet on this. we hit them back many times over hard than they do.
Is Palestinian choice,,

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Reply #65 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 10:14pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 9:47pm:

when you see the actions from Gaza for 36 hours before now,, you can see this is how they want from us.

You know,, so is it,, if they want peace yes can they have it fromt us.

But,, must they want the tough reactions from us,, then they must know they will surely receive this too.

Israel do not be attacked and stay quiet on this. we hit them back many times over hard than they do.
Is Palestinian choice,,

You sound proud of the fact that you use disporportionate vengeance on innocent civilians in a conflict that your own country began.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Duties of a Muslim towards a non-Muslim Reply #66 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 10:16pm which conflict has we began? Israel is each time defending in conflicts.
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Duties of a Muslim towards a non-Muslim Reply #67 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 10:20pm The present one, for a start.
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Reply #68 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 10:25pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 10:20pm:

The present one, for a start.

No.
Israel always remove terror suspects plotting to commit attacks.
This come from Mossad ops sometime in gaza, judea or sometime in total other country too.

This is not same thing as you say from start a conflict,, is protection of peoples from terror target attacks.
Is always aim to remove target individuals,, not innocents.

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Reply #69 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 10:31pm

Usually in a war it is up to the losing side to decide when to end hostilities. For some reason a lot of people get this backwards for palestine - that because they are losing so badly there is no need for them to surrender and they are somehow not complete idiots for continuing to fire rockets into Israel. By Islamic standards (wholesale rape and enslavement) they are getting pretty good treatment.

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Reply #70 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 7:56am

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 10:31pm:

Usually in a war it is up to the losing side to decide when to end hostilities. For some reason a lot of people get this backwards for palestine - that because they are losing so badly there is no need for them to surrender and they are somehow not complete idiots for continuing to fire rockets into Israel. By Islamic standards (wholesale rape and enslavement) they are getting pretty good treatment.

You have forgotten one group in your equation. The Arabs. Palestinians are Arabs. Israel is performing a balancing act. On the one hand persecuting the Palestinians, on the other hand trying not to persecute too much in case they cause revolutions that topple the friendly dictators installed by the Zionists in the region.

Arrogant Israelis will push their limits too far one day, and 300 million Arabs will be heading their way.

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Reply #71 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 9:45am

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

What if I did so with the government's permission, but not the 'people's' (I take it you mean Muslims by this) permission?

Firstly, Palestine had no government at the time, it was under mandate. Secondly the mandate administrator, the British, declared their immigration illegal. You lose on both fronts.

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

Are you beginning to grasp the concept of legality yet? Or do you not distinguish between what Muslims want and what is legal?

Are you beginning to grasp the concept of learning what you're speaking about, before speaking on it yet?

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

The league of nations set limits on how many Jews were allowed to migrat to Israel?

Firstly no such entity as Israel existed at the time. When you can get that through your thick head, get back to me.

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

I noticed Avram was pretty at ease with acknowledging the role of Jewish extremists in the conflict. Something tells me if Muslims did the same instead of blaming everyone but the palestinians the problem would disappear overnight.

The Zionists' problem would disappear, yes. ie. that of the people whose homes they wish to misappropriate.

Of course many Zionists will be at ease with the issue, since they have something to gain by it. Muslims & Christians only have something to lose, so of course they'd not be at ease with it.

Any illegal entity attempting to overrun someone elses country of course seeks peace, since peace would legitimise their illegal presence. Any people being overrun by said illegal entity, would of course never accept it.

The fact you can't see why this is the case fd says a lot.

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Reply #72 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 11:37am

falah wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 7:56am:

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 10:31pm:

Usually in a war it is up to the losing side to decide when to end hostilities. For some reason a lot of people get this backwards for palestine - that because they are losing so badly there is no need for them to surrender and they are somehow not complete idiots for continuing to fire rockets into Israel. By Islamic standards (wholesale rape and enslavement) they are getting pretty good treatment.

You have forgotten one group in your equation. The Arabs. Palestinians are Arabs. Israel is performing a balancing act. On the one hand persecuting the Palestinians, on the other hand trying not to persecute too much in case they cause revolutions that topple the friendly dictators installed by the Zionists in the region.

Arrogant Israelis will push their limits too far one day, and 300 million Arabs will be heading their way.

Remember arabs attacked us for 3 times and more in 20. Century even too during Yom Kippur,,

All arabs together too from Egypt, Jordan, Syria,, what's result from this?
Israel is too strong and brave,, my father and uncles have been part of Israeli Army which fight them back and make arabs run away from us.

Israel is never leaving,, this is homeland of the Jews,, realize this or peoples will not have the peace that we israelis offer,,

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Reply #73 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 12:59pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 11:37am:

All arabs together too from Egypt, Jordan, Syria,, what's result from this?
Israel is too strong and brave,, my father and uncles have been part of Israeli Army which fight them back and make arabs run away from us.

Keep thinking that.

The truth is "Israel" never once faced an actual war. It faced Western puppet regimes, who were actually commanded by British officers, who were in fact in collusion with "Israel" from the outset.

Now the puppet regimes are falling like flies, "Israel" is about to get a real taste of what it's like to mess with Muslims. Islam is the ideology which brought the Soviet and now American empires to their knees, "Israel" will not stand a chance.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 11:37am:

Israel is never leaving,, this is homeland of the Jews,, realize this or peoples will not have the peace that we israelis offer,,

"Israel" is an artificially sustained "installation" in the middle of the Muslim world. It exists only so long as the external forces prop it up. Once they no longer have the will to keep it there, it will crumble.

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Re: Duties of a Muslim towards a non-Muslim
Reply #74 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 1:09pm

so, this is the duty of a muslim towards a non-muslim ??

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..........Fact is, once the U.S economy can no longer afford to sustain the Zionist entity, more and more Jews will leave and go back to their countries of origin. I only wish it was sooner rather than later, so the Palestinians don't have to suffer any more of this inhumanity that calls itself Israel.

Fact is, Zionists do not belong in the Middle East, they are a Europeanised people, whose culture, values etc. all belong in the West, not in the Middle East. ...

to drive them far away

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