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Reply #105 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 2:01am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Mar 11th, 2012 at 5:31pm:
What do Palestinians have to accept in order for there to be peace? Israel will keep branching out with settlements on Arab land.




Annie,

Why, do you say that it is Arab land ?

You sound so, so, certain.       Grin




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Deuteronomy 11:12
A land which the LORD thy God careth for: the eyes of the LORD thy God are always upon it....


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #106 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 2:09am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 11th, 2012 at 9:58pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2012 at 9:14pm:
I noticed Avram was pretty at ease with acknowledging the role of Jewish extremists in the conflict.


What's the bet he's not at ease with it... No secular Jew is at ease with what the ultra-Orthodox have in mind for Israel.


No, that is not what was implied, or stated.

FD said, that Avram was pretty at ease with acknowledging the role of Jewish extremists in the conflict.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #107 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 2:57am
 
falah wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 7:56am:
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2012 at 10:31pm:
Usually in a war it is up to the losing side to decide when to end hostilities. For some reason a lot of people get this backwards for palestine - that because they are losing so badly there is no need for them to surrender and they are somehow not complete idiots for continuing to fire rockets into Israel. By Islamic standards (wholesale rape and enslavement) they are getting pretty good treatment.


You have forgotten one group in your equation. The Arabs. Palestinians are Arabs. Israel is performing a balancing act. On the one hand persecuting the Palestinians, on the other hand trying not to persecute too much in case they cause revolutions that topple the friendly dictators installed by the Zionists in the region.

Arrogant Israelis will push their limits too far one day, and 300 million Arabs will be heading their way.




300 million Arabs, eh ?

Yes, Arabs/moslems have always been comfortable with,   .....stepping on a cockroach.

And fighting,   .....whenever winning a conflict with another, seems to be an absolute certainty [e.g. 1948].

Moslems in large groups, always seem to have a lot of pre-fight 'bravado'.

e.g.
Farewell Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-IwwfeLp4M

But moslems never seem to have much 'talent' in a one, on one fight.





And, importantly, Allah only seems to want moslems to die for his cause.          Grin





The God of Israel, says to his enemies....

"....with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them."

Ezekiel 35




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The God of Israel has a history of fighting for his people.

Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
40  For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
41  If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.



And he will again, fight for his people.

Isaiah 41:8-14
10  Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
11  Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.


Isaiah 43:1-7
But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.


Isaiah 44:1-8
8  Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.


Isaiah 54:4-8
5  For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Duties of a Muslim towards a non-Muslim
Reply #108 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 7:52pm
 
It is as I say the Arabs must decide if they wants peace with us or the war.

Because they must sure know that we can bring both to them.

We have offered the peace and this is what I hope.

But you know too that we has the most strong and best equpment military in Middle East,,
With the tanks, heli gunship, and weapon power that bring the fire to the Arabs that make them run scared for long way,,

I hope is not this,, but we Israelis fight for homeland until last Jew is stand there and we is more powerful army than they.
These young children who throws the stones to us,, is so dangerous and they must be care or they can end in the ground dead becuase they has annoy us soldier too many time,,

So it is to Arabs choice, the war or is the peace as you must decide,,
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Reply #109 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 10:27pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 7:52pm:
It is as I say the Arabs must decide if they wants peace with us or the war.


The creation of "Israel" was a declaration of war, as were all the acts of the militias and illegal immigrants. This has long ago been established. The only thing keeping the status quo for all this time has been the puppet Arab rulers. Now they are falling like flies, and "Israel" knows her days are numbered.

There is no peace with occupiers.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 7:52pm:
But you know too that we has the most strong and best equpment military in Middle East,,
With the tanks, heli gunship, and weapon power that bring the fire to the Arabs that make them run scared for long way,,


These things are insignificant. All the expensive toys in the world will not protect you from those who are sincere in their beliefs.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 7:52pm:
I hope is not this,, but we Israelis fight for homeland until last Jew is stand there and we is more powerful army than they.


Zionists are cowards, when their fancy toys and funding dry up, they will scamper off like the rodents they are.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 7:52pm:
These young children who throws the stones to us,, is so dangerous and they must be care or they can end in the ground dead becuase they has annoy us soldier too many time,,


They are a generation who has grown up knowing nothing but occupation. Their entire existence is dedicated to your destruction. You cannot even hope to match their resolve.
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Reply #110 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 10:29pm
 
No, no, no -- i myself prefer the peace,,,

But you know if the arabs want this,,, we can bring fire onto them that they can not even imagine,,
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Reply #111 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 10:32pm
 
I hope you can even see this..


You can not defeat tanks and heli gunships with stones and the rocks,,
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Reply #112 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 11:29pm
 
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Zionists are cowards, when their fancy toys and funding dry up, they will scamper off like the rodents they are.


Well well well, I knew you'd slip up sooner or later. Remember the discussion where you claimed it was only atheists who viewed their enemies as insects? Here you are looking upon your opponents as vermin. Yet you claimed you had respect for all human beings.

See, I know people.
Religious zealots, like leftists, use nice, pretty words about how they care etc. etc. etc., but lift the veil and the hate is there for all to see.

I don't like dishonesty. 

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Reply #113 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 5:46am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 11:29pm:
Well well well, I knew you'd slip up sooner or later. Remember the discussion where you claimed it was only atheists who viewed their enemies as insects? Here you are looking upon your opponents as vermin. Yet you claimed you had respect for all human beings.


I did? I don't remember stating I have respect for all human beings. I have no respect whatsoever for scum like Zionists and Nazis, and I don't believe I ever stated I do.
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Re: Duties of a Muslim towards a non-Muslim
Reply #114 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 8:44am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 10:27pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 7:52pm:
It is as I say the Arabs must decide if they wants peace with us or the war.


The creation of "Israel" was a declaration of war, as were all the acts of the militias and illegal immigrants. This has long ago been established. The only thing keeping the status quo for all this time has been the puppet Arab rulers. Now they are falling like flies, and "Israel" knows her days are numbered.

There is no peace with occupiers.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 7:52pm:
But you know too that we has the most strong and best equpment military in Middle East,,
With the tanks, heli gunship, and weapon power that bring the fire to the Arabs that make them run scared for long way,,


These things are insignificant. All the expensive toys in the world will not protect you from those who are sincere in their beliefs.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 7:52pm:
I hope is not this,, but we Israelis fight for homeland until last Jew is stand there and we is more powerful army than they.


Zionists are cowards, when their fancy toys and funding dry up, they will scamper off like the rodents they are.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 7:52pm:
These young children who throws the stones to us,, is so dangerous and they must be care or they can end in the ground dead becuase they has annoy us soldier too many time,,


They are a generation who has grown up knowing nothing but occupation. Their entire existence is dedicated to your destruction. You cannot even hope to match their resolve.


Spoken like a true left wing extremist Abu.
Only in a democracy are you allowed to print such tripe.
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Reply #115 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 11:02am
 
falah wrote on Mar 7th, 2012 at 5:04pm:
The former mufti of Saudi Arabia (1993-1999) gave the following fatwa on how Muslims should deal with non-Muslims:

[...]



Who gave the mufti of Saudi Arabia permission to make alterations to the K'ran?

The K'ran contains the opening which reads something like.....do not doubt a word written herein.

The K'ran is the immutable word of the prophet and needs no explanation.

Stop trying to airbrush islam. I am a pround violent hate filled muslim.
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Reply #116 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 1:49pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 11:29pm:
Quote:
abu wrote
Zionists are cowards, when their fancy toys and funding dry up, they will scamper off like the rodents they are.


Well well well, I knew you'd slip up sooner or later. Remember the discussion where you claimed it was only atheists who viewed their enemies as insects? Here you are looking upon your opponents as vermin. Yet you claimed you had respect for all human beings.

See, I know people.
Religious zealots, like leftists, use nice, pretty words about how they care etc. etc. etc., but lift the veil and the hate is there for all to see.

I don't like dishonesty. 



a hint as to how muslims REALLY treat their non-muslim neighbours  ..........
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Reply #117 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 1:58pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 1:49pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 11:29pm:
Quote:
abu wrote
Zionists are cowards, when their fancy toys and funding dry up, they will scamper off like the rodents they are.


Well well well, I knew you'd slip up sooner or later. Remember the discussion where you claimed it was only atheists who viewed their enemies as insects? Here you are looking upon your opponents as vermin. Yet you claimed you had respect for all human beings.

See, I know people.
Religious zealots, like leftists, use nice, pretty words about how they care etc. etc. etc., but lift the veil and the hate is there for all to see.

I don't like dishonesty. 



a hint as to how muslims REALLY treat their non-muslim neighbours  ..........



8. God does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, God loves those who deal with equity.

9. It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that God forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the wrongdoers.

The Noble Quran, Al-Mumtahinah v.8-9
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Reply #118 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 2:11pm
 
"And on that day the LORD made a covenant with Abraham. "See I have given you this Land. Go in and take possession of the Land the LORD swore he would give to your fathers -to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and to their descendants after them. This land belongs to the children of Israel"

Deuteronomy 1:8

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Reply #119 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 4:19pm
 
Oh gee - I was hoping to have a jew-free year, yet here it is again, the stupid squabbling

Anyone read Schlomo Z/Sands book, ' When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?'

Familiar with the stated belief of Israel's first Prime Minister, David Ben Gurion, plus most of the original zionist heirarchy, regarding what the above took as fact, namely that today's Palestinians are 'the region's true descendents of the original jews' ?

Or, as the famous British statesman declared during the time of the European jews' invasion of Palestinian lands, businesses, homes, factores AND bank-accounts: ' The Romans ruled Britain longer than the jews held the holy-land - and the Romans left Britain in FAR better condition than the jews left the holy-lands' or words to that effect'[/I]

I'm not permitted currently to post a link to the sources, but if you run searches for either Schlomo Sand or his book, you'll be inundated

Here are some exerpts:

Moses could not have led the Hebrews out of Egypt into the Promised Land, for the good reason that the latter was Egyptian territory at the time.

And there is no trace of either a slave revolt against the pharaonic empire or of a sudden conquest of Canaan by outsiders.

Nor is there any trace or memory of the magnificent kingdom of David and Solomon. (Professor Schlomo Sand states without equivocation that David and Solomon were 'myths')

Recent discoveries point to the existence, at the time, of two small kingdoms: Israel, the more powerful, and Judah, the future Judea.

The general population of Judah did not go into 6th century BC exile: only its political and intellectual elite were forced to settle in Babylon. This decisive encounter with Persian religion gave birth to Jewish monotheism.'

' ... the population of Judea continued to live on their lands, even after the destruction of the second temple. Some converted to Christianity in the 4th century, while the majority embraced Islam during the 7th century Arab conquest.'

^ from 'When and How Was the Jewish People INVENTED' by Professor Schlomo Sand

Millions in Israel alone have read it

But who's read: ' The Bible Came From Arabia' by Professor Kamal Salibi ? 

Difficult to get hold of a copy.  It was difficult to get it published.  Initially, publishers were vying for the chance.  Then 'pressure' was exerted.  Apparently, certain people didn't want the information to see the light of day.  In the end, courageous publishers in Germany first of all, put it into print.  These days, available copies are snapped up and (one suspects) shredded

The Bible came from Arabia ?  Wow.  There'd be egg on faces if it were proven so, wouldn't there ?  And repatriation -- ?  All those Palestinians who've been relentlessly robbed, killed and maimed for 60-plus years --- only for it to be established that the jews had land-grabbed the wrong place ? 

Where in Arabia, you might ask.  Well, broadly speaking, West Arabia - Asir to be more precise.  At least that is the nominated location.  Allegedly, it contains many 'biblical sites' (described as a 'remarkable concentration') which even today defy discovery in Palestine, try as they might

The back-cover blurb states: ' This book has caused a predictable storm amongst academics and politicians' The issue is of such importance that everyone should read the evidence first hand'

Like me, you may find it interesting that the above does not say, ' predictable storm amongst academics and historians -- or academics and theologians'.  No -- it says 'academics and politicians '.  Accurate, honest.  Because that's what it is, all this argy bargy re: 'israel and Palestine' -- it's political.  Political.  Religion has buggerall to do with it (but don't tell the American fundamentalists upon whom 'israel' relies )

'The Bible Came From Arabia' Kamal Salibi, Professor of history at the American University of Beirut
ISBN: 0 330 29519 5
(c) 1985 Spiegel Verlag, Hamburg
First published Great Britain 1985 by Jonathan Cape Ltd
Published 1987 by Pan Books Ltd in association with Jonathan Cape

'When and How the Jewish People was Invented' by Professor Schlomo Z/Sand, professor of history, Tel Aviv university

Ultimately, the only people arguing these issues are members of online fora.  All the rest, the israeli govt., the zionists, the US and UK govts., academics, theologians, historians, main stream media, etc. etc. know that (as usual) this entire charade (Israel-Palestine blah blah)  is just another jewish production in the spirit of 'Gone With the Wind' and 'Ben Hur'  Roll Eyes
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