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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: The Green Killer (Wind Turbines) Reply #30 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 2:01pm Baron Von Rort - the least you could do is Google rare earth mining China and loook up Neodium. Or is that a bit hard for you?
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Reply #31 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 2:54pm

red baron wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 2:01pm:

Baron Von Rort - the least you could do is Google rare earth mining China and loook up Neodium.

Or is that a bit hard for you?

You may have more luck if you use its correct name baron - neodymium. According to Wikipedia, it is mostly mined in China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium

However they also say that it is no more rare than copper, cobalt and nickel. If that's the case then increased use would see more demand and so the increased likelihood of new mines opening up. That'd allow the sourcing the stuff from somewhere other than China.

Sounds like another argument for increased wind power to me.

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Reply #32 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 3:04pm

Thanks for the correction Gist, at least you know what it is.
However you did not comment on the environmental disgrace taking place n China to mine these essential bits for your precious wind farms which produce bugger all in energy compared to coal or gas, incidentally but does do a lot of harm to the environment. Killing of wildlife, who wants one next door to them?

So much energy goes into the building of a wind turbine that it is highly unlikely that the power generated in its lifetime would ever repay the pure logistics and mining that goes into its sum parts.

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Reply #33 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 4:02pm

red baron wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 3:04pm:

So much energy goes into the building of a wind turbine that it is highly unlikely that the power generated in its lifetime would ever repay the pure logistics and mining that goes into its sum parts.

Building a tower is straightforwrd not much energy or cost.

The blades are composite ,a bit like a surfboard,carved out of foam then covered with quality fiberglass so not much energy used or cost there.

The generator part can vary due to design it is still fairly cheap just think of it as a larger version of the alternator in your car.

Nothing you have come up with is changeing my mind.

Windpower has no ongoing fuel costs , hydro electric is the only thing that can compete with that, solar is more expensive than wind power yet it also has no ongoing fuel costs.

You dont need a team of engineers to run a wind turbine,in fact you will hardly ever see anyone working on a windturbine.
A power station that burns coal-gas or even nuclear has to boil the water to make the steam that drives the turbines so probably best to have a team working at all times for safety.

So what about water usage-
windpower - Zip zilch none
Gas/Coal/Nuclear - Heaps, they have to boil water to make steam to drive turbines.

All i see is fear mongering and nothing of any substance with critics of windpower.

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Reply #34 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 3:18pm

Baron von Rot...they produce f..k all energy for the huge tracts of land they need. They are bloody useless!

I read a report recently where4 a major American energy company tried out the wind turbines.

They used 200 acres for them Next door was a Gas plant occupying 5 acres. It produced 95% more energy than the 200 freaking acres of wind farms.

If you had your way...all there would be would be wind farms from arsehole to breakfast..Like I said they are inefficient and bloody well useless...a freaking fad and an expensive one at that.

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Reply #35 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 3:20pm

olde.sault wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 10:31am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 7:51am:

The Green killer: Scores of protected golden eagles dying after colliding with wind turbines.

California's attempts to switch to green energy have inadvertently put the survival of the state’s golden eagles at risk.

Scores of the protected birds have been dying each year after colliding with the blades of about 5,000 wind turbines.

Now the drive for renewable power sources, such as wind and the sun, being promoted by President Obama and state Governor Jerry Brown has raised fears that the number of newborn golden eagles may not be able to keep pace with the number of turbine fatalities.

Concerns growing in Australia following this path as Australia stand to lose thousands of native birds.

Kookaburras are being killed and that, is no laughing matter.

Kookaburras are NON-migratory
Kookaburras spend their lives in an area no bigger than a few hectares in size - where they were born
Kookaburras fly NO higher than tree-tops - keeping close to the ground and their food source

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Reply #36 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 3:22pm

red baron wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 3:18pm:

Baron von Rot...they produce f..k all energy for the huge tracts of land they need. They are bloody useless!

I read a report recently where4 a major American energy company tried out the wind turbines.

They used 200 acres for them Next door was a Gas plant occupying 5 acres. It produced 95% more energy than the 200 freaking acres of wind farms.

If you had your way...all there would be would be wind farms from arsehole to breakfast..Like I said they are inefficient and bloody well useless...a freaking fad and an expensive one at that.

You do talk out your arse. What exactly does having a wind turbine stop you doing with the land. You can still farm it, you can still drill for oil, etc.

Your comment that wind turbines cost more to make than they generate just shows how stupid you are. They recover costs very, very quickly.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: The Green Killer (Wind Turbines) Reply #37 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 4:00pm Doctor Jolly I would comment on your comment however I am having trouble seeing through the hot air that is being driven my way. Incidentally would you have a wind turbine next door to you? Didn't think so! Somebody else's back yard huh but not yours.
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Reply #38 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 4:05pm

red baron wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 4:00pm:

Doctor Jolly I would comment on your comment however I am having trouble seeing through the hot air that is being driven my way.

Incidentally would you have a wind turbine next door to you? Didn't think so!

Somebody else's back yard huh but not yours.

I would rather have a wind turbine in my backyard than a nuclear plant, or coal mine/power-station/belt.

In fact, if I lived in a suitably windy place I would install my own wind turbine.

But thats beside the point. Australia has millions of acres of unused land. You could line the entire west coast with wind turbines (avoiding the odd town) before you'd have to worry about putting it in anyones backyard.

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: The Green Killer (Wind Turbines) Reply #39 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 4:06pm No Kookaburra has ever been killed by wind turbine in Australia. Fact.
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Reply #40 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 4:16pm

red baron wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 3:18pm:

Baron von Rot...they produce f..k all energy for the huge tracts of land they need. They are bloody useless!

I read a report recently where4 a major American energy company tried out the wind turbines.

They used 200 acres for them Next door was a Gas plant occupying 5 acres. It produced 95% more energy than the 200 freaking acres of wind farms.

If you had your way...all there would be would be wind farms from arsehole to breakfast..Like I said they are inefficient and bloody well useless...a freaking fad and an expensive one at that.

Have you got a cite for this report or did you pluck it from your ass?

I would have no problem paying for one these and sticking it in my backyard.-
http://www.edenpower.com.au/wind-energy/skystream-37/

We could use this website to check windspeed they even record 24 hour graphs just change it to your local area.
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/nsw/sydney/sydney

I reckon they are jacking up the cost of windpower somewhere, are they including the purchase price of the land in their costs?

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Re: The Green Killer (Wind Turbines)
Reply #41 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 4:17pm

red baron wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 4:00pm:

Doctor Jolly I would comment on your comment however I am having trouble seeing through the hot air that is being driven my way.

Incidentally would you have a wind turbine next door to you? Didn't think so!

Somebody else's back yard huh but not yours.

Our new neighbours - twin turbines move in next door

24 March, 2011 2:39PM

Dianne and George Watson have been sitting and watching excitedly as piece by piece two wind turbines are built on their doorstep. The second turbine of Hepburn Wind, Australia's first community wind farm, is near completion at Leonards Hill near Daylesford.

While wind farms have divided communities - with complaints about ill-health effects, noise and their appearance - Dianne and George are excited at the prospect of turbines generating power from a paddock next to their property.

"We've experienced the whole project going up and just seeing the parts coming up the driveway and everything, it was just unbelievable."

George says he's been living there since 1985 and it's the best thing that he's seen happen in Leonards Hill.
He says the Japan crisis has only reinforced his view that he'd rather live next to two wind towers than a nuclear power plant

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http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2011/03/23/3171848.htm

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