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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Why Do Libs Support More Dams Reply #15 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 8:28am ____ wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 6:20pm: So why some in the old parties so keen on old ideas like Dams Hmmm My guess would be that some in the old parties might be old Sires with still enough kick in the third leg to like the old idea of a Dam...
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Re: Why Do Libs Support More Dams
Reply #16 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:02am

tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 8:03am:

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FriYAY wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 6:50pm:

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FriYAY wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 6:27pm:

If there were no dams you would not be here, idiot.

How many dams do the Liberals plan to build in the Nullarbor ... and how many people will they support?

Moronic response. Large dams would be saving water right now. For the environment and people.

Who gives a fig if they dry out? They'll fill up again.

The key is to build storage away from the main flow and pump/direct excess water there, not dam the actual river.

Greens thinking is disasterous.

So who should finance the building of white elephant dams

Don't tell me someone from the right believes public debt can be a tool for investments.

I think there a few white elephant desal plants around at the moment that no one wanted...and if I recollect correctly the last couple of actual dam proposals (where they have got into serious planning territory) have been by Bligh in Queensland and Keneally from NSW.

Not a word about white elephants in WA, they are worshiping their desal plant as god. It will only take a few dry years and no one will even mention the desal plants in NSW and VIC. Small minded and short sightedness are key policies of the conservatives. More important would be a national water grid. If you link QLD, NSW, VIC and SA with desal and the current dams you could have water across the nation including inland.

I would not be concerned about Abbott building Dams he has proven he will say anything to get power. His interview on today about the maternity leave scheme, he made it clear that he will implement it, but when asked if it would be at the current rate he would not answer just kept repeating he would implement it. So he will water it down, tax business and rip off country women. This man is a Liar of the most cynical type.

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Reply #17 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:15am

are we now claiming desal plants do not do any harm to the ocean..and its inhabitants???

cant say how much electricity they use either...isnt that another No No.?.. and whilst they are not being used they also cost millions...oh well we know labor and cost dont go together dont we?..

for me it would make sense if all this wonderful rain was going into catchment areas for those tough times..instead of going into waste treatment plants..maybe even through peoples homes... who knows a dam may stop flooding.. as well as be useful during a drought.

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Reply #18 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:24am

cods wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:15am:

are we now claiming desal plants do not do any harm to the ocean..and its inhabitants???

cant say how much electricity they use either...isnt that another No No.?.. and whilst they are not being used they also cost millions...oh well we know labor and cost dont go together dont we?..

for me it would make sense if all this wonderful rain was going into catchment areas for those tough times..instead of going into waste treatment plants..maybe even through peoples homes... who knows a dam may stop flooding.. as well as be useful during a drought.

We dont need desal plants or more dams, what we need to do is start treating water as a precious resource and account for every drop we use in industry and privately.
We need good environmental flows not only for the quality of the water but also for the country is flows through so just damming it up so we can continue to be wasteful is not only stupid it is ultimately destructive on all counts.

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Reply #19 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:44am

adelcrow wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

cods wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:15am:

are we now claiming desal plants do not do any harm to the ocean..and its inhabitants???

cant say how much electricity they use either...isnt that another No No.?.. and whilst they are not being used they also cost millions...oh well we know labor and cost dont go together dont we?..

for me it would make sense if all this wonderful rain was going into catchment areas for those tough times..instead of going into waste treatment plants..maybe even through peoples homes... who knows a dam may stop flooding.. as well as be useful during a drought.

We dont need desal plants or more dams, what we need to do is start treating water as a precious resource and account for every drop we use in industry and privately.
We need good environmental flows not only for the quality of the water but also for the country is flows through so just damming it up so we can continue to be wasteful is not only stupid it is ultimately destructive on all counts.

What twisted logic . You store the water in dams or it goes out to sea ffs When you need the water you pipe it to were its needed.... Simple and works the world over you morons Angry

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Reply #21 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 10:00am

FRED. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

cods wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:15am:

are we now claiming desal plants do not do any harm to the ocean..and its inhabitants???

cant say how much electricity they use either...isnt that another No No.?.. and whilst they are not being used they also cost millions...oh well we know labor and cost dont go together dont we?..

for me it would make sense if all this wonderful rain was going into catchment areas for those tough times..instead of going into waste treatment plants..maybe even through peoples homes... who knows a dam may stop flooding.. as well as be useful during a drought.

We dont need desal plants or more dams, what we need to do is start treating water as a precious resource and account for every drop we use in industry and privately.
We need good environmental flows not only for the quality of the water but also for the country is flows through so just damming it up so we can continue to be wasteful is not only stupid it is ultimately destructive on all counts.

What twisted logic . You store the water in dams or it goes out to sea ffs When you need the water you pipe it to were its needed.... Simple and works the world over you morons Angry

How about storing fresh water runoff underground in aquifers ... or as like Adelaide, in wetlands.

And while banging on about spending billions of borrowed cash in building white elephants like dams and desal ... lets talk about the 50% of coal seam gas wells that break within their life and pollute the underground fresh water aquifers that could keep Australia from dying in AGW caused deeper and longer droughts.

(ABC Landline, midday today)

So why are the old parties so easily swayed with party coal donations to destroy our water security via coal seam gas destruction of our fresh water aquifers.

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Reply #22 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 10:19am

____ wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

FRED. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

cods wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:15am:

are we now claiming desal plants do not do any harm to the ocean..and its inhabitants???

cant say how much electricity they use either...isnt that another No No.?.. and whilst they are not being used they also cost millions...oh well we know labor and cost dont go together dont we?..

for me it would make sense if all this wonderful rain was going into catchment areas for those tough times..instead of going into waste treatment plants..maybe even through peoples homes... who knows a dam may stop flooding.. as well as be useful during a drought.

We dont need desal plants or more dams, what we need to do is start treating water as a precious resource and account for every drop we use in industry and privately.
We need good environmental flows not only for the quality of the water but also for the country is flows through so just damming it up so we can continue to be wasteful is not only stupid it is ultimately destructive on all counts.

What twisted logic . You store the water in dams or it goes out to sea ffs When you need the water you pipe it to were its needed.... Simple and works the world over you morons Angry

How about storing fresh water runoff underground in aquifers ... or as like Adelaide, in wetlands.

And while banging on about spending billions of borrowed cash in building white elephants like dams and desal ... lets talk about the 50% of coal seam gas wells that break within their life and pollute the underground fresh water aquifers that could keep Australia from dying in AGW caused deeper and longer droughts.

(ABC Landline, midday today)

So why are the old parties so easily swayed with party coal donations to destroy our water security via coal seam gas destruction of our fresh water aquifers.

Because were on about storing water STOREING LIKE YAN YEAN. MAROONDAH . EILDON .THOMPSON FFS Angry

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Reply #23 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 10:21am

Governments across the nation have been telling domestic users to cut their use whilst agriculture and industry are allowed to consume at will.....Domestic use is about 10% of consumption where as industry and agriculture use up to 60% plus of this precious resource.....Cutting domestic use will have little affect on storage levels it is industry and agriculture that are required to manage their use to have any net affect on water storage.....Yet Governments across the nation ignore the big users and punish domestic users for little gain.....Industry and agriculture get very cheap water and waste a lot of it as a result.....More needs to be done to address this problem!!!

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Reply #24 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 10:24am

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 10:21am:

Governments across the nation have been telling domestic users to cut their use whilst agriculture and industry are allowed to consume at will.....Domestic use is about 10% of consumption where as industry and agriculture use up to 60% plus of this precious resource.....Cutting domestic use will have little affect on storage levels it is industry and agriculture that are required to manage their use to have any net affect on water storage.....Yet Governments across the nation ignore the big users and punish domestic users for little gain.....Industry and agriculture get very cheap water and waste a lot of it as a result.....More needs to be done to address this problem!!!

Try 5% for domestic use

Your point is cutting domestic usage would make little difference

Then how come lefties want to reduce Australian carbon emissions when we contribute 1.35%

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Reply #25 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 10:35am

Tony Abbott is using once in a lifetime floods to promote building more dams that will never fill.....by the time they are built is will be 50 years before we have these sort of rains to fill them and they will be emptied withing a short time to sit idle once more.....Global Warming will mean rainfall becomes less and less consistent and building dams is a stupid short sighted opportunist approach that is based on floods people should realise are very rare in Australian history.....All this water in the East will be gone within a short time and dams will once again empty faster than they fill!!!

Denying Global Warming is behind this push for dams and Abbott is showing he is an opportunist who thinks drought will not happen again,,,,,He is a fools fool....Much like Longweekend who denied Global Warming is real.....We cannot afford such short sighted populism that will cost a packet but will not drought proof our nation!!!

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Reply #26 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 10:39am

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 10:24am:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 10:21am:

Governments across the nation have been telling domestic users to cut their use whilst agriculture and industry are allowed to consume at will.....Domestic use is about 10% of consumption where as industry and agriculture use up to 60% plus of this precious resource.....Cutting domestic use will have little affect on storage levels it is industry and agriculture that are required to manage their use to have any net affect on water storage.....Yet Governments across the nation ignore the big users and punish domestic users for little gain.....Industry and agriculture get very cheap water and waste a lot of it as a result.....More needs to be done to address this problem!!!

Try 5% for domestic use

Your point is cutting domestic usage would make little difference

Then how come lefties want to reduce Australian carbon emissions when we contribute 1.35%

the planet is a semi closed ecosystem with a fixed amount of water. What varies is the percentage of fresh to salt water, not the quantity.

where as human caused climate change, this is done by shifting currently locked up carbon back into the atmosphere and oceans and causing the glasshouse effect and the acidification of sea water.

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Reply #28 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 10:52am

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 10:24am:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 10:21am:

Governments across the nation have been telling domestic users to cut their use whilst agriculture and industry are allowed to consume at will.....Domestic use is about 10% of consumption where as industry and agriculture use up to 60% plus of this precious resource.....Cutting domestic use will have little affect on storage levels it is industry and agriculture that are required to manage their use to have any net affect on water storage.....Yet Governments across the nation ignore the big users and punish domestic users for little gain.....Industry and agriculture get very cheap water and waste a lot of it as a result.....More needs to be done to address this problem!!!

Try 5% for domestic use

Your point is cutting domestic usage would make little difference

Then how come lefties want to reduce Australian carbon emissions when we contribute 1.35%

Because carbon emissions are world wide not only local that is why.....If all the countries in the world reduced their emissions by 5% on 2000 levels it adds up to a lot of carbon.....If the rest of the world agrees to act both Labor and the Coalition have agreed to reduce emissions by up to 15% on 2000 levels but the 5% target is a commitment both sides of politics have agreed to.....Doing nothing to reduce emissions is not an option being considered by anyone accept the extremist climate change deniers who have no political support and verge on the fringe of reality.....Climate Change cannot be ignored because a few fruit loops refuse to accept reality!!!

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Reply #29 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 11:00am

Salinity made simple!!!

Farmers clear land and cut down trees so they can plant crops.....They then plant short root varieties that require over irrigation because the water quickly drops below root level requiring more water.....There is no longer any deep roots to suck up the excess water so the water drops to the salt level which has always been there....This has two affects.....Firstly it causes the salt to rise making the land useless and secondly it creates underground streams that flush the salt into rivers.....Dams can cause salt to rise when the ground becomes saturated so it is not always a good solution to water shortage!!!

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