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The Libs and Labs - failing to get people to join.
Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:38pm

I am flabbergasted that the two major parties are actually themselves surprised at the lack of joiners. Is it any wonder? Both parties are in a shambles at the moment, Labor especially.

They jump from failed policy to failed policy. The Libs, on the other hand, though probably well-intentioned, struggle to cost their policies. Both parties are not recognisable from how they were in days of old. Chifley and Curtin, and Menzies and Holt, would be astronished at what has happened to their once great, respectable and noble party.

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GoddyofOz Gold Member Offline Vote 1 for Sex, cause you're gay if you don't Posts: 2397	Re: The Libs and Labs - failing to get people to join. Reply #1 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:49pm Really? You're really surprised by this? The two major parties have never been more disconnected from the public then they are now. Time for a fresh major party I reckon.
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john_g Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1549 Gender:	Re: The Libs and Labs - failing to get people to join. Reply #2 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:56pm GoddyofOz wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:49pm: Really? You're really surprised by this? The two major parties have never been more disconnected from the public then they are now. Time for a fresh major party I reckon. I said that I am surprised that they are surprised, if that makes any sense...?
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Reply #3 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:33am

john_g wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:38pm:

I am flabbergasted that the two major parties are actually themselves surprised at the lack of joiners. Is it any wonder? Both parties are in a shambles at the moment, Labor especially.

They jump from failed policy to failed policy. The Libs, on the other hand, though probably well-intentioned, struggle to cost their policies. Both parties are not recognisable from how they were in days of old. Chifley and Curtin, and Menzies and Holt, would be astronished at what has happened to their once great, respectable and noble party.

What do you mean by putting both parties on the same level?

What is NOT respectable about the Opposition?

Think they should just shut up while a compulsive liar ruins the economy?

The reason people are hanging on to their money is because of feelings of insecurity, a disease that always flares under Labor Governments.

The bulk of mortgage payers are afraid of losing their jobs because of the growing deficit due to the schemes that pathological Rudd thought up, recently topped by the lying Gillard bringing in the fraudulent carbon tax.

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Reply #4 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:38am

GoddyofOz wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:49pm:

Really? You're really surprised by this? The two major parties have never been more disconnected from the public then they are now.

Time for a fresh major party I reckon.

Like a new branch of a communist party?

Must be the leftard's only comfort rubbishing both parties.

Abbott and his lot are very connected, thumping our compulsive liar PM.

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Reply #5 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:39am

olde.sault wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:33am:

john_g wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:38pm:

I am flabbergasted that the two major parties are actually themselves surprised at the lack of joiners. Is it any wonder? Both parties are in a shambles at the moment, Labor especially.

They jump from failed policy to failed policy. The Libs, on the other hand, though probably well-intentioned, struggle to cost their policies. Both parties are not recognisable from how they were in days of old. Chifley and Curtin, and Menzies and Holt, would be astronished at what has happened to their once great, respectable and noble party.

What do you mean by putting both parties on the same level?

What is NOT respectable about the Opposition?

Think they should just shut up while a compulsive liar ruins the economy?

The reason people are hanging on to their money is because of feelings of insecurity, a disease that always flares under Labor Governments.

The bulk of mortgage payers are afraid of losing their jobs because of the growing deficit due to the schemes that pathological Rudd thought up, recently topped by the lying Gillard bringing in the fraudulent carbon tax.

Probably because they ARE.

And that level is lower than a dog-turd ATM.

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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: The Libs and Labs - failing to get people to join. Reply #6 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:40am What is NOT respectable about the Opposition? For one thing, keeping the Australian people in the dark. Where are the policies?.
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: The Libs and Labs - failing to get people to join. Reply #7 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:43am Quote: What is NOT respectable about the Opposition? For one thing, keeping the Australian people in the dark. Where are the policies?. We know what their policies are likely to be..... Nothing more or less than a return to the Howard years. NO, THANKS!!
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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: The Libs and Labs - failing to get people to join. Reply #8 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:46am Yes Kat, for the best part of it we are kept in the dark. Although we do indeed know a few, very frightening things.
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Reply #9 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:48am

Kat wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:39am:

olde.sault wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:33am:

john_g wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:38pm:

I am flabbergasted that the two major parties are actually themselves surprised at the lack of joiners. Is it any wonder? Both parties are in a shambles at the moment, Labor especially.

They jump from failed policy to failed policy. The Libs, on the other hand, though probably well-intentioned, struggle to cost their policies. Both parties are not recognisable from how they were in days of old. Chifley and Curtin, and Menzies and Holt, would be astronished at what has happened to their once great, respectable and noble party.

What do you mean by putting both parties on the same level?

What is NOT respectable about the Opposition?

Think they should just shut up while a compulsive liar ruins the economy?

The reason people are hanging on to their money is because of feelings of insecurity, a disease that always flares under Labor Governments.

The bulk of mortgage payers are afraid of losing their jobs because of the growing deficit due to the schemes that pathological Rudd thought up, recently topped by the lying Gillard bringing in the fraudulent carbon tax.

Probably because they ARE.

And that level is lower than a dog-turd ATM.

Why don't you explain, in plain English, how the Opposition is failing?

First and foremost, is that they can only talk not bring in fanciful taxes to pay for the squandering that has been going on ever since the pathological Rudd won the election.

Yep, remember how Rudd was adored?

It was practically the time of a Second Coming - showing the IQ of Labor voters.

Wait until the Coalition becomes the government then criticise them to your heart's cotent!

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Reply #10 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:52am

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Yes Kat, for the best part of it we are kept in the dark. Although we do indeed know a few, very frightening things. Shocked

poor you from memory the only thing you lot had to whinge about during the Howard years was the War in Iraq.... a distant blur now.

the whingeing about everything else came along after he lost....he didnt say SORRY OMG... he didnt sign KYOTO. OMG. we didnt have a CARBON TAX OMG.... btw when will the carbon tax kick in and stop the rain we were not meant to get....ha.ha.

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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: The Libs and Labs - failing to get people to join. Reply #11 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:52am Thank goodness for the Australian Greens, that hold the balance of power in the senate.
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Reply #12 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 7:01am

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What is NOT respectable about the Opposition? For one thing, keeping the Australian people in the dark. Where are the policies?. Sad

I wasn't aware that an election was imminent?

Why declare policies for the Labor no-hopers to thieve?

In any case, Abbott detailed that the carbon and the mining tax will be repealed and to the sensible, that will be a great step forward!

No doubt, the NBN will not be extended to districts not yet fibre-tur*ed.

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Reply #13 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 7:07am

olde.sault wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 7:01am:

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What is NOT respectable about the Opposition? For one thing, keeping the Australian people in the dark. Where are the policies?. Sad

I wasn't aware that an election was imminent?

Why declare policies for the Labor no-hopers to thieve?

In any case, Abbott detailed that the carbon and the mining tax will be repealed and to the sensible, that will be a great step forward!

No doubt, the NBN will not be extended to districts not yet fibre-tur*ed.

While I oppose the carbon tax, axing the mining tax OR the NBN
would be the height of (typical Coalition) short-sighted stupidity.

Just two reasons why the opposition deserve to STAY in opposition.

I won't even mention their shocking track-record on IR and welfare.

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Reply #14 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 7:13am

john_g wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:38pm:

I am flabbergasted that the two major parties are actually themselves surprised at the lack of joiners. Is it any wonder? Both parties are in a shambles at the moment, Labor especially.

They jump from failed policy to failed policy. The Libs, on the other hand, though probably well-intentioned, struggle to cost their policies. Both parties are not recognisable from how they were in days of old. Chifley and Curtin, and Menzies and Holt, would be astronished at what has happened to their once great, respectable and noble party.

It's more than that they both treat their rank and file with contempt.
Branches are stacked and Head Offices routinely roll over genuine rank and file to install party hacks and staffers (and spouses) to stand in seats they have a shot at winning.
Rank and File have next to no input into party policy.
Two small groups at the top of both parties run the shows and pretty much what they say goes.
Yes...roll up and be treated like a mug.
Is it any wonder.

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