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Reply #45 - Mar 1st, 2012 at 5:56pm
 
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adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am:
Lets agree not to make it compulsory

Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. Angry


Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death

i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government.

Nope, the state has no right to kill period. Cool Cool Cool




Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan?

Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East...  Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence.  I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives?  The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked




So you are a Greenie at heart

Australia should follow the lead of Canada and the Netherlands and bring our combat troops home from Afghanistan, Greens Leader Bob Brown said today.

"Canada's 2,800 combat troops are preparing to go home. The Netherlands have already gone, after the collapse of public support and the Dutch government over whether to extend their mission," Senator Brown said in Hobart.

"A Galaxy poll at the weekend showed most Australians want our troops brought home from Afghanistan and that should be heeded by the Government and Opposition. This level of opposition is higher than during the Vietnam War."

There have been 27 Australian Defence Force personnel killed and 181 ADF members wounded in action in Afghanistan since 2002.

http://greens.org.au/content/bring-combat-troops-home-afghanistan-brown

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Australians protest Iraq war

As part of an international weekend of protest on the fourth anniversary of the US-British-Australian invasion of Iraq, 800 people participated in an anti-war rally and march on March 17 that began at Sydney Town Hall.

Demanding an end to the US-led war in Iraq, the protesters also called for the Australian troops and Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks to be brought home.

Speakers at the protest, organised by the Sydney Stop the War Coalition, included Greens Senator Kerry Nettle, NSW Labor MLC Meredith Burgmann, NSW Council of Civil Liberties vice-president David Burnie and Maritime Union union of Australia Sydney assistant branch secretary Paul Garrett.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/37249


So you are more Greens than you are Liberal or Labor dude.


No dude, I am not Politically inclined to support any of the extremists in the Parliament and I do not care what the Greens statement of Faith says - I know by their actions that they support interventionism, assassinations and war.

A statement of faith proves nothing Greens - absolutely nothing, I here you by what you obsess about, what motivates you and its base greed, power and violence. Roll Eyes Tongue

No I am not a Green at heart I am a me at heart  Cool Grin




Going by all your posting, you are closer aligned to the Greens than Labor and Liberal


Anti war
Pro increased financial payments to the pensioners and unemployed
Pro independent foreign policy

etc etc


As I said, a statement of faith proves nothing, you favor world Government - I am the God of my own mind and my free will is absolutely sovereign - pray tell me where you believe we meet? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




I believe the conscious energy / souls of all humans are joined and that there is only one of us here.

That all life is connected in the same way.

All life past, present and future is connected via one conscious energy (some may call godliness.)


That the recognition of oneness will spark an increase in selfishness by everyone to put oneself first  (the united one )

A one world democratic government is an extension of this recognised oneness, compared to the nationalistic separation of the current system.


Are we closer now?

Like I said, you are closer to Greens thinking than you are to Labor or Liberal thinking.


2012 is the end of the world ... the world we use to be.

Welcome back home.

Thats fine you believe what you want, but of you become a threat to my rights, freedom or personal safety by your actions, I will respond appropriately at all times to said perceived aggression or threat.  Your spiritual or religious beliefs are your own business - do not try to make them Government or sovereign over my business or we will have a problem, that includes world Government. Cool Cool Cool Cool



In my mythology, you are me, so how I treat you is how I treat myself. I believe in giving myself maximum freedom as long as it is in the highest intent for all life. So I would not kill you against your will ... same way as I will not let you suffer a terminal illness against your will.

This is why I believe voluntary euthanasia should be an option to those of sound mind and made free of external pressures. And only available to people of certain terminal conditions.
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Re: Should Voluntary Euthanasia Be An Election Issue?
Reply #46 - Mar 1st, 2012 at 6:42pm
 
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corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 5:36pm:
____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 5:18pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 4:55pm:
____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:34pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:28pm:
____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 2:48pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:44pm:
____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:34pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:21pm:
____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:12pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:24am:
adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am:
Lets agree not to make it compulsory

Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. Angry


Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death

i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government.

Nope, the state has no right to kill period. Cool Cool Cool




Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan?

Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East...  Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence.  I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives?  The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked




So you are a Greenie at heart

Australia should follow the lead of Canada and the Netherlands and bring our combat troops home from Afghanistan, Greens Leader Bob Brown said today.

"Canada's 2,800 combat troops are preparing to go home. The Netherlands have already gone, after the collapse of public support and the Dutch government over whether to extend their mission," Senator Brown said in Hobart.

"A Galaxy poll at the weekend showed most Australians want our troops brought home from Afghanistan and that should be heeded by the Government and Opposition. This level of opposition is higher than during the Vietnam War."

There have been 27 Australian Defence Force personnel killed and 181 ADF members wounded in action in Afghanistan since 2002.

http://greens.org.au/content/bring-combat-troops-home-afghanistan-brown

Four Pillars of The Greens Movement

Ecological wisdom
Social justice
Grassroots democracy
Nonviolence

Australians protest Iraq war

As part of an international weekend of protest on the fourth anniversary of the US-British-Australian invasion of Iraq, 800 people participated in an anti-war rally and march on March 17 that began at Sydney Town Hall.

Demanding an end to the US-led war in Iraq, the protesters also called for the Australian troops and Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks to be brought home.

Speakers at the protest, organised by the Sydney Stop the War Coalition, included Greens Senator Kerry Nettle, NSW Labor MLC Meredith Burgmann, NSW Council of Civil Liberties vice-president David Burnie and Maritime Union union of Australia Sydney assistant branch secretary Paul Garrett.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/37249


So you are more Greens than you are Liberal or Labor dude.


No dude, I am not Politically inclined to support any of the extremists in the Parliament and I do not care what the Greens statement of Faith says - I know by their actions that they support interventionism, assassinations and war.

A statement of faith proves nothing Greens - absolutely nothing, I here you by what you obsess about, what motivates you and its base greed, power and violence. Roll Eyes Tongue

No I am not a Green at heart I am a me at heart  Cool Grin




Going by all your posting, you are closer aligned to the Greens than Labor and Liberal


Anti war
Pro increased financial payments to the pensioners and unemployed
Pro independent foreign policy

etc etc


As I said, a statement of faith proves nothing, you favor world Government - I am the God of my own mind and my free will is absolutely sovereign - pray tell me where you believe we meet? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




I believe the conscious energy / souls of all humans are joined and that there is only one of us here.

That all life is connected in the same way.

All life past, present and future is connected via one conscious energy (some may call godliness.)


That the recognition of oneness will spark an increase in selfishness by everyone to put oneself first  (the united one )

A one world democratic government is an extension of this recognised oneness, compared to the nationalistic separation of the current system.


Are we closer now?

Like I said, you are closer to Greens thinking than you are to Labor or Liberal thinking.


2012 is the end of the world ... the world we use to be.

Welcome back home.

Thats fine you believe what you want, but of you become a threat to my rights, freedom or personal safety by your actions, I will respond appropriately at all times to said perceived aggression or threat.  Your spiritual or religious beliefs are your own business - do not try to make them Government or sovereign over my business or we will have a problem, that includes world Government. Cool Cool Cool Cool



In my mythology, you are me, so how I treat you is how I treat myself. I believe in giving myself maximum freedom as long as it is in the highest intent for all life. So I would not kill you against your will ... same way as I will not let you suffer a terminal illness against your will.

This is why I believe voluntary euthanasia should be an option to those of sound mind and made free of external pressures. And only available to people of certain terminal conditions.

I could not make head or tail of that confused garbage you just posted but on the issue of Euthanasia - as we do have precedent in the 20th century, I believe the "Inglorious Basterds" response is the appropriate one should the same circumstances arise again.  The rest of it - I am sorry, it was nonsense. Cool Cool Cool
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Re: Should Voluntary Euthanasia Be An Election Issue?
Reply #47 - Mar 1st, 2012 at 7:34pm
 
I dont think any of you have given anything but opinion.
Why should your opinion dictate the way another lives their life?
What right do you have to say someone cant do something to themselves, just like you wouldnt want someone to do the same to you.
Law should not make illegal victimless crime because it makes the innocent victims, which defeats the purpose of law.
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Reply #48 - Mar 1st, 2012 at 8:17pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 7:34pm:
I dont think any of you have given anything but opinion.
Why should your opinion dictate the way another lives their life?
What right do you have to say someone cant do something to themselves, just like you wouldnt want someone to do the same to you.
Law should not make illegal victimless crime because it makes the innocent victims, which defeats the purpose of law.


The position in the Netherlands is more than just opinion.
I don't care if someone does not want to live on this little blue speck anymore and then freely and of their own volition ends their own life. That is available to them now, without legislation (for it needs none) and is none of my business.
But it is not for the State to turn it into a cottage industry. It is much too readily open to abuse.
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Reply #49 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 7:50am
 
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Dutch launch mobile euthanasia teams



Six specialised teams will criss-cross the Netherlands to carry out euthanasia at the home of patients whose own doctors refuse to do so, a pro-euthanasia group said.

"From Thursday, the Levenseindekliniek (Life-end clinic) will have mobile teams where people who think they comply with the criteria for euthanasia can register," Right-to-die NL (NVVE) spokeswoman Walburg de Jong said.

"If they comply, the teams will carry out the euthanasia at patients' homes should their normal doctors refuse to help them."

Ms De Jong says the group, called the Life-end clinic, has teams made up of a specially-trained doctor and nurse who will work part time, visiting patients all over the Netherlands.

The Netherlands became the first country in the world to legalise euthanasia in April 2002, and has strict criteria regulating how such mercy killings can be carried out.

Patients must be mentally alert when making the request to die.

Patients also have to face a future of "unbearable, interminable suffering" and both the patient and the doctor - who have to obtain a second opinion - before euthanasia is carried out, must agree there is no cure.

Each euthanasia case is then reported to one of five special commissions, each made up of a doctor, a jurist and an ethical expert charged with verifying that all criteria had been observed.

The mobile euthanasia plan, which received the thumbs-up from Dutch health minister Edith Schippers in the Dutch parliament, has been met with scepticism from one of the Netherlands' largest medical lobbies.

The Royal Dutch Society of Doctors says it doubts whether the "euthanasia doctors" will be able to form a close enough relationship with a patient to make a correct assessment.

Ms De Jong says around 3,100 mercy killings are carried out each year in the Netherlands and that the NVVE has already been phoned by 70 potential patients since the plan was announced in early February.

The NVVE says its teams are expected to receive around 1,000 assisted suicides requests per year.

http://abc.com.au/news/2012-03-01/dutch-launch-mobile-euthanasia-teams/3861636


I'm all for voluntary euthanasia but let's put that aside while Rome is Burning.
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Reply #50 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:04am
 
For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it.
Its quite simple really.
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Reply #51 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:16am
 
corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:44pm:
____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:34pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:21pm:
____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:12pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:24am:
adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am:
Lets agree not to make it compulsory

Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. Angry


Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death

i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government.

Nope, the state has no right to kill period. Cool Cool Cool




Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan?

Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East...  Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence.  I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives?  The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


And you should not be allowed to operate heavy machinery. Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Reply #52 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:31am
 
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longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:57pm:
____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:31pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:26pm:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats

another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it.




The debate is concerning voluntary euthanasia, not murder.
No one is out to legalise non voluntary death and that includes non voluntary of children.

This is a red herring as is bestiality to marriage equality.

No connection at all.



but THATs what ends up happening. it's what happens in the Netherlands already and happened in one other euro country who got rid of it because thats EXACTLY what happened.



if it was happening and that's a big if, then it's the construction of the law, not the issue of V.E.

Those that are anti free choice concerning voluntary euthanasia, where do you people stand concerning smoking and smoking deaths related with addiction and passive smoking?



you live in a naive world. it wasnt the LAW's fault but the problem of human nature. We are always eager to find ways to kill people, legal or othereise. VE simply makes it easier and extends the range of those we CAN kill. but then people ALWAYS push those boundaries. Remember abortion and how it was only to be used to extenuating circumstances? now it is on demand and we even have people considering extending it to actul newborn children.
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Reply #53 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:38am
 
tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 8:17pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 7:34pm:
I dont think any of you have given anything but opinion.
Why should your opinion dictate the way another lives their life?
What right do you have to say someone cant do something to themselves, just like you wouldnt want someone to do the same to you.
Law should not make illegal victimless crime because it makes the innocent victims, which defeats the purpose of law.


The position in the Netherlands is more than just opinion.
I don't care if someone does not want to live on this little blue speck anymore and then freely and of their own volition ends their own life. That is available to them now, without legislation (for it needs none) and is none of my business.
But it is not for the State to turn it into a cottage industry. It is much too readily open to abuse.


perfectly said. most proponents of VE are incredibly naive. imagine a situation where people are afraid of going to the doctor because they fear euthanasia? even if theat fer is midfounded it indicates that VE has brought a great degree of fear to people who think they could be coerved into suicide or considered incompetent and euthanised against their wishes.
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Reply #54 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:40am
 
adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:04am:
For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it.
Its quite simple really.


and THAT is about as niave as you can get. to think that everyone has good morals and concience and would never try and encourage and elderly relative to suicide... even though it has been shown to happen. and to think that the non-consensual euthanasia  of the disabled and retard wouldnt happen - despite the fact that it has.

you almost deserve to see the world your naievete would produce.
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Reply #55 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:45am
 
There is nothing voluntary about it when the state, the corporation or the church is involved in killing.  Any killing by a sovereign overarching universal government can by definition not be a matter of free will and choice on the part of the victim.  No form of external governing force can be involved in a person deciding to end their life and ending it or it is not free, it is not voluntary and we are all at risk from an external Governing entity deciding to end our life on any manner of pretexts and justifications... Cool Cool Cool
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Reply #56 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:56am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:31am:
____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 4:32pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:57pm:
____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:31pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:26pm:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats

another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it.




The debate is concerning voluntary euthanasia, not murder.
No one is out to legalise non voluntary death and that includes non voluntary of children.

This is a red herring as is bestiality to marriage equality.

No connection at all.



but THATs what ends up happening. it's what happens in the Netherlands already and happened in one other euro country who got rid of it because thats EXACTLY what happened.



if it was happening and that's a big if, then it's the construction of the law, not the issue of V.E.

Those that are anti free choice concerning voluntary euthanasia, where do you people stand concerning smoking and smoking deaths related with addiction and passive smoking?



you live in a naive world. it wasnt the LAW's fault but the problem of human nature. We are always eager to find ways to kill people, legal or othereise. VE simply makes it easier and extends the range of those we CAN kill. but then people ALWAYS push those boundaries. Remember abortion and how it was only to be used to extenuating circumstances? now it is on demand and we even have people considering extending it to actul newborn children.



Yet abortion is legal and the creators of these fetuses are treated as adults and so are entitle to make life and death decisions.

If parents are allowed to make these grown up decision, should these same parents be entitled to make decisions on their own lives when confronted with a terminal condition of illness.

Polling shows the majority of Australians think we should be entitle to this decision.

If people are morally opposed to shortening their own lives via one method (V.E) yet not others like using alcohol, cigarettes or consuming meat, then they are welcome to their decision.

When these people think they have control over everyone else because of inflated belief that their way is the only way, then these people have overstepped there area of control and should pull their heads in.

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Reply #57 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:59am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:40am:
adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:04am:
For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it.
Its quite simple really.


and THAT is about as niave as you can get. to think that everyone has good morals and concience and would never try and encourage and elderly relative to suicide... even though it has been shown to happen. and to think that the non-consensual euthanasia  of the disabled and retard wouldnt happen - despite the fact that it has.

you almost deserve to see the world your naievete would produce.



If people break the law and commit murder then the law is the vehicle to sort these kind of matters.

One bad apple should not be used to punish all terminally ill people via excessive suffering and loss of dignity.
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Reply #58 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:02am
 
____ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:59am:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:40am:
adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:04am:
For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it.
Its quite simple really.


and THAT is about as niave as you can get. to think that everyone has good morals and concience and would never try and encourage and elderly relative to suicide... even though it has been shown to happen. and to think that the non-consensual euthanasia  of the disabled and retard wouldnt happen - despite the fact that it has.

you almost deserve to see the world your naievete would produce.



If people break the law and commit murder then the law is the vehicle to sort these kind of matters.

One bad apple should not be used to punish all terminally ill people via excessive suffering and loss of dignity.

That is not a valid argument for giving the state more power to kill and you take away from people the dignity of dying on their own terms if the state is involved.  It just shows how cruel and inhumane the State killing advocates are. Cool
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Reply #59 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:04am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:38am:
tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 8:17pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 7:34pm:
I dont think any of you have given anything but opinion.
Why should your opinion dictate the way another lives their life?
What right do you have to say someone cant do something to themselves, just like you wouldnt want someone to do the same to you.
Law should not make illegal victimless crime because it makes the innocent victims, which defeats the purpose of law.


The position in the Netherlands is more than just opinion.
I don't care if someone does not want to live on this little blue speck anymore and then freely and of their own volition ends their own life. That is available to them now, without legislation (for it needs none) and is none of my business.
But it is not for the State to turn it into a cottage industry. It is much too readily open to abuse.


perfectly said. most proponents of VE are incredibly naive. imagine a situation where people are afraid of going to the doctor because they fear euthanasia? even if theat fer is midfounded it indicates that VE has brought a great degree of fear to people who think they could be coerved into suicide or considered incompetent and euthanised against their wishes.






Santorum ‘grossly mischaracterized’ Netherlands euthanasia policy

GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum’s “demagogic” social message of women flying small planes, worship of Israel and winking at Iran has another bizarre twist and includes elderly Dutch people wearing “Do not euthanize me” bracelets.
The Dutch government is being urged to make a public statement over Santorum’s recent comments on the Dutch euthanasia policy, in which the Republican presidential hopeful falsely claimed forced euthanasia in the Netherlands is responsible for five percent of the country’s deaths.
Labour MP Frans Timmermans is calling on Foreign minister Uri Rosenthal to make a public statement over the “scandalous” comments ushered forth by Santorum. “I have asked him to make a public statement. This cannot be allowed to rest,” Timmermans said on his Facebook page, according to Dutch News.
American media has finally begun scrutinizing comments Santorum has made in his run to the top of recent polls, showing him out in front of the GOP field. In the scrutiny was evidence of false claims by the Pennsylvania senator, called one of the most corrupt senators in the United States in 2006, over the Netherlands’ euthanasia policy.
A video posted to YouTube by Right Wing Watch, an arm of People for the American Way, shows Santorum stating the elderly Dutch wear a bracelet which reads “Do not euthanize me.” He continues with his pronouncement,
Because they have voluntary euthanasia in the Netherlands, but half the people who are euthanized every year — and it’s 10 percent of all deaths for the Netherlands — half of those people are euthanized involuntarily, at hospitals, because they are older and sick. And so elderly people in the Netherlands don’t go to the hospital, they go to another country, because they’re afraid because of budget purposes that they will not come out of that hospital if they go into it with sickness.
The New York Times notes the Dutch ambassador to the US has refused comment on Santorum’s remarks, who has said the Dutch government’s preference is not to get involved in the American presidential race.
Voluntary euthanasia has been legal in the Netherlands since 2002, and accounted for about two percent of deaths in 2010, Dutch News reports. The procedure requires consent of two doctors and is carried out under strict conditions.
Dutch embassy spokeswoman Carla Bundy told the Washington Post, “According to the Ministry of Health, ‘Do not euthanize me’ bracelets do not exist in the Netherlands.”
FactCheck.org, a nonpartisan group which monitors U.S. politicians’ factual accuracy, said Santorum, during his participation at religious forum earlier in February, “grossly mischaracterized” the Netherlands euthanasia policy.
Last week, Common Dreams said Santorum is delivering a "demagogic social message," betrayed by his Mister Rogers appearance.
Santorum’s campaign has not responded to requests for explanations where the “corrupt” Senator’s sources obtained information for his euthanasia comments.


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