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Reply #15 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:12pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:24am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:23am:

Lets agree not to make it compulsory

Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. Angry

Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death

i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government.

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BlOoDy RiPpEr Gold Member Offline aussie-patriot.com Posts: 2475 Sydney Gender:	Re: Should Voluntary Euthanasia Be An Election Issue? Reply #16 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:18pm Lets call a spade a spade.. Doctors wont do it so they introduce Death Squads...
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Reply #17 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:19pm

T\he Greens, the Corporations & tghe Government cannot force us to take unsuitable jobs and conditions against our free will in their Clean Energy Green Economy. They also have no right to deprive any person living on mainland Australia of legal status with full economic, employment and social security rights as well as medicare. Tongue

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Re: Should Voluntary Euthanasia Be An Election Issue?
Reply #18 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:21pm

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:12pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:24am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:23am:

Lets agree not to make it compulsory

Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. Angry

Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death

i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government.

Nope, the state has no right to kill period. Cool

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Should Voluntary Euthanasia Be An Election Issue? Reply #19 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:24pm I hold that the state should decommission the Military and not keep a permanent standing army, the Police should not be armed and all citizens with no criminal record should be allowed to be armed for self defense.
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Re: Should Voluntary Euthanasia Be An Election Issue?
Reply #20 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:32pm

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:18pm:

Lets call a spade a spade.. Doctors wont do it so they introduce Death Squads...

Doctors do it already within the law by not doing everything at times to keep a terminal patient alive for a few more days, a few more hours, a few more minutes.

I saw a guy starved within palliative care ward rather than keep him a alive and suffering for a few extra weeks/months.

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Reply #21 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:34pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:21pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:12pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:24am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:23am:

Lets agree not to make it compulsory

Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. Angry

Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death

i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government.

Nope, the state has no right to kill period. Cool

Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan?

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Reply #22 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:44pm

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:34pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:21pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:12pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:24am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:23am:

Lets agree not to make it compulsory

Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. Angry

Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death

i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government.

Nope, the state has no right to kill period. Cool

Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan?

Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East... Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence. I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives? The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. Shocked

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Re: Should Voluntary Euthanasia Be An Election Issue?
Reply #23 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 2:48pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:44pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:34pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:21pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:12pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:24am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:23am:

Lets agree not to make it compulsory

Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. Angry

Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death

i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government.

Nope, the state has no right to kill period. Cool

Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan?

Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East... Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence. I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives? The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. Shocked

So you are a Greenie at heart

Australia should follow the lead of Canada and the Netherlands and bring our combat troops home from Afghanistan, Greens Leader Bob Brown said today.

"Canada's 2,800 combat troops are preparing to go home. The Netherlands have already gone, after the collapse of public support and the Dutch government over whether to extend their mission," Senator Brown said in Hobart.

"A Galaxy poll at the weekend showed most Australians want our troops brought home from Afghanistan and that should be heeded by the Government and Opposition. This level of opposition is higher than during the Vietnam War."

There have been 27 Australian Defence Force personnel killed and 181 ADF members wounded in action in Afghanistan since 2002.

http://greens.org.au/content/bring-combat-troops-home-afghanistan-brown

Four Pillars of The Greens Movement

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Social justice
Grassroots democracy
Nonviolence

Australians protest Iraq war

As part of an international weekend of protest on the fourth anniversary of the US-British-Australian invasion of Iraq, 800 people participated in an anti-war rally and march on March 17 that began at Sydney Town Hall.

Demanding an end to the US-led war in Iraq, the protesters also called for the Australian troops and Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks to be brought home.

Speakers at the protest, organised by the Sydney Stop the War Coalition, included Greens Senator Kerry Nettle, NSW Labor MLC Meredith Burgmann, NSW Council of Civil Liberties vice-president David Burnie and Maritime Union union of Australia Sydney assistant branch secretary Paul Garrett.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/37249

So you are more Greens than you are Liberal or Labor dude.

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Reply #24 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:10pm

All fine and dandy in principle.
However people should look at the Netherlands where it has been practiced for some time now.
In 1990 the Remmelink Report found that most cases of euthanasia were involuntary ie no consent was given, and that euthanasia accounted for 9.1% of the overall death rate.
It includes those just suffering depression.
In some parts of the Netherlands people are afraid to seek medical treatment.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Should Voluntary Euthanasia Be An Election Issue? Reply #25 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:26pm http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it.
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Re: Should Voluntary Euthanasia Be An Election Issue?
Reply #26 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:28pm

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 2:48pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:44pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:34pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:21pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:12pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:24am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:23am:

Lets agree not to make it compulsory

Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. Angry

Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death

i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government.

Nope, the state has no right to kill period. Cool

Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan?

Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East... Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence. I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives? The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. Shocked

So you are a Greenie at heart

Australia should follow the lead of Canada and the Netherlands and bring our combat troops home from Afghanistan, Greens Leader Bob Brown said today.

"Canada's 2,800 combat troops are preparing to go home. The Netherlands have already gone, after the collapse of public support and the Dutch government over whether to extend their mission," Senator Brown said in Hobart.

"A Galaxy poll at the weekend showed most Australians want our troops brought home from Afghanistan and that should be heeded by the Government and Opposition. This level of opposition is higher than during the Vietnam War."

There have been 27 Australian Defence Force personnel killed and 181 ADF members wounded in action in Afghanistan since 2002.

http://greens.org.au/content/bring-combat-troops-home-afghanistan-brown

Four Pillars of The Greens Movement

Ecological wisdom
Social justice
Grassroots democracy
Nonviolence

Australians protest Iraq war

As part of an international weekend of protest on the fourth anniversary of the US-British-Australian invasion of Iraq, 800 people participated in an anti-war rally and march on March 17 that began at Sydney Town Hall.

Demanding an end to the US-led war in Iraq, the protesters also called for the Australian troops and Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks to be brought home.

Speakers at the protest, organised by the Sydney Stop the War Coalition, included Greens Senator Kerry Nettle, NSW Labor MLC Meredith Burgmann, NSW Council of Civil Liberties vice-president David Burnie and Maritime Union union of Australia Sydney assistant branch secretary Paul Garrett.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/37249

So you are more Greens than you are Liberal or Labor dude.

No dude, I am not Politically inclined to support any of the extremists in the Parliament and I do not care what the Greens statement of Faith says - I know by their actions that they support interventionism, assassinations and war.

A statement of faith proves nothing Greens - absolutely nothing, I here you by what you obsess about, what motivates you and its base greed, power and violence. Roll Eyes

No I am not a Green at heart I am a me at heart Cool

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Re: Should Voluntary Euthanasia Be An Election Issue?
Reply #27 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:29pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:26pm:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats

another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it.

There is already euthanasia for the terminally ill..its just not talked about.
Doctors just up the dose of Morphine until the patient stops breathing..its quite common.

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Reply #28 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:31pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:26pm:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats

another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it.

The debate is concerning voluntary euthanasia, not murder.

No one is out to legalise non voluntary death and that includes non voluntary of children.

This is a red herring as is bestiality to marriage equality.

No connection at all.

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Re: Should Voluntary Euthanasia Be An Election Issue?
Reply #29 - Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:34pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:28pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 2:48pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:44pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:34pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:21pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:12pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:24am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:23am:

Lets agree not to make it compulsory

Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. Angry

Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death

i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government.

Nope, the state has no right to kill period. Cool

Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan?

Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East... Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence. I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives? The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. Shocked

So you are a Greenie at heart

Australia should follow the lead of Canada and the Netherlands and bring our combat troops home from Afghanistan, Greens Leader Bob Brown said today.

"Canada's 2,800 combat troops are preparing to go home. The Netherlands have already gone, after the collapse of public support and the Dutch government over whether to extend their mission," Senator Brown said in Hobart.

"A Galaxy poll at the weekend showed most Australians want our troops brought home from Afghanistan and that should be heeded by the Government and Opposition. This level of opposition is higher than during the Vietnam War."

There have been 27 Australian Defence Force personnel killed and 181 ADF members wounded in action in Afghanistan since 2002.

http://greens.org.au/content/bring-combat-troops-home-afghanistan-brown

Four Pillars of The Greens Movement

Ecological wisdom
Social justice
Grassroots democracy
Nonviolence

Australians protest Iraq war

As part of an international weekend of protest on the fourth anniversary of the US-British-Australian invasion of Iraq, 800 people participated in an anti-war rally and march on March 17 that began at Sydney Town Hall.

Demanding an end to the US-led war in Iraq, the protesters also called for the Australian troops and Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks to be brought home.

Speakers at the protest, organised by the Sydney Stop the War Coalition, included Greens Senator Kerry Nettle, NSW Labor MLC Meredith Burgmann, NSW Council of Civil Liberties vice-president David Burnie and Maritime Union union of Australia Sydney assistant branch secretary Paul Garrett.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/37249

So you are more Greens than you are Liberal or Labor dude.

No dude, I am not Politically inclined to support any of the extremists in the Parliament and I do not care what the Greens statement of Faith says - I know by their actions that they support interventionism, assassinations and war.

A statement of faith proves nothing Greens - absolutely nothing, I here you by what you obsess about, what motivates you and its base greed, power and violence. Roll Eyes

No I am not a Green at heart I am a me at heart Cool

Going by all your posting, you are closer aligned to the Greens than Labor and Liberal

Anti war
Pro increased financial payments to the pensioners and unemployed
Pro independent foreign policy

etc etc

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