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The end of peak Oil.
Feb 29th, 2012 at 10:49am
 

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The death of peak oilAlan Kohler

Published 7:17 AM, 29 Feb 2012


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Here’s another structural transformation to add to all the others that you have to get your head around: it’s the transformation of global energy markets as a result of shale oil and gas.

We’ve already got the digital revolution and the switch from consumption to savings after the GFC, not to mention the rise of China and India. Now we have the death of peak oil.

For years we have assumed that fossil fuel reserves were running out, that peak oil production had occurred some time ago and that it was only a matter of time before the oil price rose to such heights that energy-dependent economies would be crushed, starting with the United States.

In a way these assumptions have helped underpin the movement against global warming (that is, we’ll have to give up oil anyway since it’s running out, so we might as well make the best of a bad lot and embrace electric cars and wind farms and save the planet from climate change while we’re at it).

In fact the existence of vast reserves of oil and gas in shale formations, mainly in the United States, combined with the return of the oil price to $US100 a barrel without, so far, causing a global recession, is producing a profound transformation of energy markets.

Forget declining oil, there is a new global oil rush. The US has an estimated 2 trillion barrels of shale oil reserves – about 70 per cent of the world’s total and eight times the oil reserves of Saudi Arabia. The gas reserves, in the US, Australia and elsewhere, are vast.

The cost of extracting shale oil ranges from $US95 per barrel down to $US12, although the process of fracking, where water is pumped in to break up the shale and release the oil, is very controversial – as highlighted on the ABC’s Foreign Correspondent program last night.

But where there’s oil there’s a way. BHP Billiton has paid $15 billion for shale oil and gas acreage, through its acquisition of Petrohawk, and now owns four large areas in Arkansas, Louisiana and Texas. The company is spending billions developing the project; its Haynesville project in Arkansas is already the largest shale play in the US, producing 6.5 billion cubic feet of gas per day.

There was an earlier shale energy rush in the 1980s, following the second oil shock, but it quickly collapsed with the oil price.

However, now the price is back to where it was in real terms, making it economic, and extraction technology has advanced enormously as well. It wasn’t until the late 1980s and early 1990s that the first commercial horizontal wells were successfully drilled and modern 'multi-stage' hydraulic fracturing (fracking) techniques did not emerge until ten years ago.

Production of shale gas in the US began to increase rapidly in 2010 thanks to advances in fracking technology. It has now been used in more than 1 million wells, and operators are currently fracturing about 35,000 wells a year.

It’s a remarkable process: the reserves are usually about five kilometres below the surface (much deeper than coal seam gas); wells are drilled down to them and then horizontally through them for another five or six kilometres; the horizontal part of the well is perforated by explosives and then fluid and sand are pumped down at high pressure to fracture the shale. The hydrocarbons then flow to the surface.

The opposition to this in the US is similar to the growing opposition to coal seam gas developments in Australia; whether any of the opponents get anywhere is a different matter, especially in the US.

The drive for self-sufficiency in oil and gas is very powerful indeed, and in pursuit of that there is a massive boom in shale energy development, leading to big fortunes being made in infrastructure and servicing, not to mention the energy itself.

Australia has relatively small shale oil reserves – here it’s more about coal seam methane. China has more shale energy reserves in total than the US but they're deeper and the geology is more difficult. There are big reserves in Poland and France, as well as Russia and the Congo in Africa.

But so far it’s all about the United States, which has the reserves and the largest market close by.

The importance of this for the world is hard to exaggerate. The distribution of energy on the planet is shifting: the stranglehold that Middle Eastern dictatorships have over the world’s energy supply is loosening and just as the rise of manufacturing in China shifted the world’s economic axis, so will the rise of shale energy in North America.

There will be a rapid substitution of coal by cleaner gas, especially as (or perhaps if) emissions trading schemes and carbon taxes spread.

It means renewable energy and nuclear will become less and less economic as the supply of gas increases, whether it’s from coal seams or shale. Gas is less carbon intensive than coal, but it still produces greenhouse gases, so it may be that the policy response to reduce global warming will actually have to increase if the world moves too far towards gas and away from renewables and nuclear.

If the United States could become self-sufficient in energy, its current account deficit would disappear and the US dollar would start rising again.

In fact, shale energy could be responsible for the resurgence of the United States as an economic superpower, with cheap local energy underpinning the second coming of its manufacturing industry as well as helping to balance its twin deficits – the current account and federal budget.

One thing is for sure: the world isn’t running out of oil and gas any more.

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/peak-oil-shale-gas-fracking-energy-nuclear-budget-pd20120229-RWR7C?opendocument&src=idp&utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=17865&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=commentary

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Reply #1 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 10:58am
 
Good on you longie

Both the aforementioned names have a rudimentary understanding of Peak Oil at best

At the time when Peak Oil was first touted in the 50's - it was based on figures inclusive of OPEC which represented 95% of all world producers. The figures also represent the technology at the time

Now OPEC represents less than 50% of producers ie more supply capacity has come on the market since the purported Peak Oil date yet they are still banging on about Peak Oil

Not only that - technology has evolved so much to increase supply even more

So these Peak Oil alarmists likes to read these articles and assume they are now knowledgeable in the area

If they don't understand the fundamental pricing model in Australia how can they understand the more complex supply model around the world
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Reply #2 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 10:58am
 
Fossil fuels will last forever...thats a relief  Grin
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Reply #3 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 11:01am
 
We spent $700 million on R&D into cleaner energy last year.

$700 million.

Tell me energy companies are not doing anything for the environment.
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Reply #4 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 11:03am
 
Is this a surprise? I thought it was pretty obvious that the push for CSG worldwide was due to the concern that oil reserves are running down. The question is - do we want to go down the road of CSG? From what I've seen, I think the answer is definitely "no".
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adelcrow wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 10:58am:
Fossil fuels will last forever...thats a relief  Grin



That's why I've always asserted that Peak Oil is a THEORY

In THEORY all finite resources have a "peak point"
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Reply #6 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 11:10am
 
Ive been hearng about Peak Oil for decades now and the predictions that there would be no oil or petrol ina 'a few years time'.  I am a cynic about such predictions and they have been about as accurate as climate change predictions - ie totally wrong.

And keep in mind that tar sands oil production is becoming viable and Canada has 7 times the amount of oil that Sauid Arabis has in its tar sands.

I dont expect to be driving and EV for a long time - not while petrol is freely available and vastly more powerful than electricity.
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Reply #7 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 11:11am
 
Maqqa wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 11:04am:
adelcrow wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 10:58am:
Fossil fuels will last forever...thats a relief  Grin



That's why I've always asserted that Peak Oil is a THEORY

In THEORY all finite resources have a "peak point"


but that peak point can only be known if you have knowledge of 100% of reserves. So far all we ave done is extract the EASY oil and gas.
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oh yeah, the easy stuff. The Gulf of Mexico is a piece of cake. Just ask BP.
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Reply #9 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 12:16pm
 
Gist wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 12:10pm:
oh yeah, the easy stuff. The Gulf of Mexico is a piece of cake. Just ask BP.


RELATIVELY easy compared to drilling 5000M down and then go horizontal.

was that so hard to work out?
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Sh!t that is easy! We'll never run out! Infinite reserves!
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Reply #11 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 12:38pm
 
Gliese 581 ~ Goldilocks zone  ~ has oil too


Just have to created a drill that will reach that star system.

Peak oil also relates to the cost of getting the stuff out and processed.

i.e oilsand of canada.


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Reply #12 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 12:42pm
 
There is no reason petrol should cost more than 50c per-liter - its a massive scam and rip[ping the heart out of the economy.  Ditch consumption based pricing and get back to the law of supply and demand. Cool Cool
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Gist wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 12:32pm:
Sh!t that is easy! We'll never run out! Infinite reserves!

Interested in making a rational response anytimesoon?
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Reply #14 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 12:59pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 12:57pm:
Gist wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 12:32pm:
Sh!t that is easy! We'll never run out! Infinite reserves!

Interested in making a rational response anytimesoon?


Im just so happy we've found infinate supplies of fossil fuels ..I can sleep well tonight  Cheesy
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