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Carbon Emitters Face Up To $7.3 Billion Bill.
Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:40am
 
Carbon emitters face up to $7.3b bill
Paul Osborne
February 28, 2012

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Australia's top 50 carbon-polluting companies could have an initial carbon tax liability of up to $7.3 billion, new figures show.

The latest National Greenhouse and Energy Report, produced by the Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency, details the emissions of the nation's 430 biggest carbon dioxide emitters.

The companies will have to pay the full price of the $23 a tonne carbon tax which comes into effect on July 1, minus any assistance provided by the government.


Their final liabilities will also depend on other factors such as corporate structure.

The carbon tax bill for the top 50 of these companies would be up to $7.3 billion, based on the figures in the latest report.

The top 10 companies in the list alone will be liable for $3.9 billion, minus assistance and other changes to their reported emissions.

Among the biggest emitters on the register for 2010/11 are Macquarie Generation, Delta Electricity, Great Energy Alliance Corporation, International Power and TRUEnergy Holdings.

However the government has offered a range of assistance programs to the heaviest-hit industries, including cement works, petroleum refiners and steel and aluminium makers.

Climate Change Minister Greg Combet told parliament on Tuesday that for many of these businesses the effective carbon price, after free emissions permits were provided, would be reduced from $23 a tonne to $1.30 a tonne.

Mr Combet was announcing the start of regulations to establish the Jobs and Competitiveness Program under the government's clean energy laws.

The program would provide significant assistance to help emissions-intensive, trade-exposed industries manage the impact of the carbon price, while maintaining incentives for them to reduce their carbon pollution.

"Supporting energy efficiency and productivity in our emissions-intensive manufacturing industries is important to remaining globally competitive into the future," Mr Combet said.

The final list of companies to pay the full carbon price, and their liabilities, will be produced after the Clean Energy Regulator takes over the management of the emissions register and carbon pricing mechanism on April 2.

The department's greenhouse and energy data officer Ross Carter said it was not possible to calculate the exact carbon tax liabilities from the current data, as companies needed to use their own data.

But Mr Carter said it was important the companies understood their emission reporting and carbon pricing obligations.

© 2012 AAP
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Reply #1 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:45am
 
Thats far less money than the pokie barons make in pure profit in only one year.
They are always crying poor so it cant be a lot money.
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Reply #2 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:51am
 



The polluters will not pay one cent in the carbon tax, that bill will be paid by the consumer.


The title should read Australian consumers will pay $7.3 Billion for a carbon tax they did not want.


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Reply #3 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:53am
 
How do Australian pay for carbon exported overseas?
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Reply #4 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 7:23am
 
____ wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:53am:
How do Australian pay for carbon exported overseas?



Is that a green's policy, that Australian should foot the carbon bill for other countries?

We produce less than 2% of the world's total carbon output, but that is not enough for the greens, now you geniuses want us to pay for the carbon outputs of china, india and japan as well.

No wonder you people are rightly considered as economic morons.


We only pay for our carbon output, if those other countries want to stuff up their economy they will impose a useless tax on their consumers, it's not up to us to pay their bill.

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Reply #5 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 7:32am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 7:23am:
____ wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:53am:
How do Australian pay for carbon exported overseas?



Is that a green's policy, that Australian should foot the carbon bill for other countries?

We produce less than 2% of the world's total carbon output, but that is not enough for the greens, now you geniuses want us to pay for the carbon outputs of china, india and japan as well.

No wonder you people are rightly considered as economic morons.


We only pay for our carbon output, if those other countries want to stuff up their economy they will impose a useless tax on their consumers, it's not up to us to pay their bill.




Still didn't answer my question.

you said


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The title should read Australian consumers will pay $7.3 Billion for a carbon tax they did not want.


How do Australians pay a carbon tax on carbon exported.

If they don't, most of the amount will not be passed on to Australians.
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Reply #6 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 7:48am
 
____ wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 7:32am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 7:23am:
____ wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:53am:
How do Australian pay for carbon exported overseas?



Is that a green's policy, that Australian should foot the carbon bill for other countries?

We produce less than 2% of the world's total carbon output, but that is not enough for the greens, now you geniuses want us to pay for the carbon outputs of china, india and japan as well.

No wonder you people are rightly considered as economic morons.


We only pay for our carbon output, if those other countries want to stuff up their economy they will impose a useless tax on their consumers, it's not up to us to pay their bill.




Still didn't answer my question.

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The title should read Australian consumers will pay $7.3 Billion for a carbon tax they did not want.


How do Australians pay a carbon tax on carbon exported.

If they don't, most of the amount will not be passed on to Australians.



How in the hell do you work that out, the top polluters are energy companies their consumers are Australians as we do NOT export electricitiy you moron.

The carbon tax is placed on Australian companies and paid for by Australian consumers.


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Reply #7 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 8:06am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 7:48am:
____ wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 7:32am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 7:23am:
____ wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:53am:
How do Australian pay for carbon exported overseas?



Is that a green's policy, that Australian should foot the carbon bill for other countries?

We produce less than 2% of the world's total carbon output, but that is not enough for the greens, now you geniuses want us to pay for the carbon outputs of china, india and japan as well.

No wonder you people are rightly considered as economic morons.


We only pay for our carbon output, if those other countries want to stuff up their economy they will impose a useless tax on their consumers, it's not up to us to pay their bill.




Still didn't answer my question.

you said


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The title should read Australian consumers will pay $7.3 Billion for a carbon tax they did not want.


How do Australians pay a carbon tax on carbon exported.

If they don't, most of the amount will not be passed on to Australians.



How in the hell do you work that out, the top polluters are energy companies their consumers are Australians as we do NOT export electricitiy you moron.

The carbon tax is placed on Australian companies and paid for by Australian consumers.







BHP, Rio Tinto, Anglo American


How many here buy their exported ore and so will have to pay their carbon pollution cost?

Energy that goes into manufacturing exports ... which Australians pay for exports?

Qantas, do only Australians fly on this soon to be foreign airline.

Mars, McCain and Harvey Norman ... can these firms afford to lift their prices and so lose market share.

Or will they change their carbon pollution behaviour and cut the amount of carbon tax they pay?

Waste Disposal Sector, how may here buy retail off this sector ?

Council dumping, may go up a few cents ... yet if the coalition and their supporters are worried about this, why are they silent about the cost of sewage on all households directly and directly.

When will Liberal call for free dumping of shite for everyone beyond all the shite they, and their supporters tell about the carbon pricing scheme.







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Reply #8 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 8:21am
 
____ wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 8:06am:
BHP, Rio Tinto, Anglo American


How many here buy their exported ore and so will have to pay their carbon pollution cost?

Energy that goes into manufacturing exports ... which Australians pay for exports?

Qantas, do only Australians fly on this soon to be foreign airline.

Mars, McCain and Harvey Norman ... can these firms afford to lift their prices and so lose market share.

Or will they change their carbon pollution behaviour and cut the amount of carbon tax they pay?

Waste Disposal Sector, how may here buy retail off this sector ?

Council dumping, may go up a few cents ... yet if the coalition and their supporters are worried about this, why are they silent about the cost of sewage on all households directly and directly.

When will Liberal call for free dumping of shite for everyone beyond all the shite they, and their supporters tell about the carbon pricing scheme.


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You are truly one of the world's stupid people.

Mining companies don't pay the carbon tax on exports, their major production of carbon is fuel which is exempt from the tax, so why would you even mention them is beyond me.

The major producers of carbon emissions are energy producers, not harvey norman or the people who make mcain super fries.

You need to have your conversations with children as only they are tolerant enough for your level of stupidity.

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Reply #9 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 8:22am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:51am:
The polluters will not pay one cent in the carbon tax, that bill will be paid by the consumer.


The title should read Australian consumers will pay $7.3 Billion for a carbon tax they did not want.






exactly and if one more idiot tells me my bill will only increase by 1 cent a week.. I will personally go down there and jump on him..with an icepick in my hand.
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Reply #10 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 8:45am
 
Its quite simple, businesses can find alternatives to carbon intensive goods and services and avoid paying the tax.
Its no different from householders being less wastefull and finding alternatives.
The modern Australian way is to squeal like a stuck pig instead of doing the hard work to make your business modern and viable into the future.
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Reply #11 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 9:13am
 
adelcrow wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 8:45am:
Its quite simple, businesses can find alternatives to carbon intensive goods and services and avoid paying the tax.
Its no different from householders being less wastefull and finding alternatives.
The modern Australian way is to squeal like a stuck pig instead of doing the hard work to make your business modern and viable into the future.



Actually crow it is much more simple than that; why totally re-engineer your whole industry to avoid a tax, you just pass it onto the consumer and have them pay it.

Anyone who believes the energy providers will do any different is as stupid as the government who introduced it.


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Reply #12 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 10:51am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 9:13am:
adelcrow wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 8:45am:
Its quite simple, businesses can find alternatives to carbon intensive goods and services and avoid paying the tax.
Its no different from householders being less wastefull and finding alternatives.
The modern Australian way is to squeal like a stuck pig instead of doing the hard work to make your business modern and viable into the future.



Actually crow it is much more simple than that; why totally re-engineer your whole industry to avoid a tax, you just pass it onto the consumer and have them pay it.

Anyone who believes the energy providers will do any different is as stupid as the government who introduced it.




So you're saying that large industries don't look for every possible means to reduce their costs and so improve their efficiency? That they'll just pay the tax and say buggerit? Funny, that isn't my experience in working for all manner of large corporations over the past 30 years.
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Reply #13 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 10:59am
 
Gist wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 10:51am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 9:13am:
adelcrow wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 8:45am:
Its quite simple, businesses can find alternatives to carbon intensive goods and services and avoid paying the tax.
Its no different from householders being less wastefull and finding alternatives.
The modern Australian way is to squeal like a stuck pig instead of doing the hard work to make your business modern and viable into the future.



Actually crow it is much more simple than that; why totally re-engineer your whole industry to avoid a tax, you just pass it onto the consumer and have them pay it.

Anyone who believes the energy providers will do any different is as stupid as the government who introduced it.




So you're saying that large industries don't look for every possible means to reduce their costs and so improve their efficiency? That they'll just pay the tax and say buggerit? Funny, that isn't my experience in working for all manner of large corporations over the past 30 years.



Actually that is nothing at all like what I said; hope these large corporations didn't employ you for anything to do with your comprehension skills.

In fact I stated in the affirmative, they will always look at their bottom line; why would they spend billions of dollars in infrastructure upgrades when they can easily pass on any and all costs (tax) to the consumer.

Jeez if you are going to resort to a reductio argument at least try get the starting point right.


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Reply #14 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 11:08am
 
____ wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:53am:
How do Australian pay for carbon exported overseas?



I am happy to answer that question once you answer my question about the murder and torture in immigration due Howard's and Abbott's policies
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