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Re: Virgin increase price due to carbon tax
Reply #45 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:31pm
 
skippy. wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 12:37pm:
Keep  acting the moron longwhine we all need a good laugh,and you provide plenty of them.

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Complexity and lack of transparency in the current tax system

Currently the Low Income Tax Offset (LITO) is used to deliver tax relief to low- and middle-income earners. While the LITO has been effective in delivering targeted relief to these groups, it has also created a gap between the published tax rates and thresholds that people see, and the effective tax rates and thresholds that people ultimately face.
It is a little known fact that most people who are nominally within the 30 per cent marginal tax rate bracket actually face an effective marginal tax rate of 34 per cent. Taxpayers between $30,000 and $67,500 currently pay their statutory marginal tax rate of 15 or 30 per cent, plus the 4 per cent tax rate created by the reduction of the LITO at four cents per dollar. The Government will cut this from 4 per cent to 1.5 per cent on 1 July 2012, and increase the threshold so that it only applies to income over $37,000. From 1 July 2015, the Government will cut it further, to 1 per cent. Although there are higher headline statutory tax rates, the combination of a higher tax free threshold and lower rate of reduction for the LITO, mean tax cuts for all taxpayers up to $80,000; and no-one pays more tax.
For example, currently, a person earning $60,000 faces a headline statutory tax rate of 30 per cent, but also loses 4 cents of LITO for every dollar they earn. This means their combined marginal tax rate is actually 34 per cent (excluding the Medicare levy). Under the new scales from 1 July 2012, they will face a statutory tax rate of 32.5 per cent, but only lose 1.5 cents of LITO for every dollar they earn. So their combined marginal tax rate is still 34 per cent, but it is now more transparent. The tax reforms the Government is introducing will more closely align published marginal tax rates with effective marginal tax rates, which is more transparent and fairer for everybody.

In addition, the fact that the LITO is not explicitly reflected in the published tax schedule means that many low-income earners need to lodge an income tax return, even when their tax liability after the LITO is accounted for is nil. By incorporating more of the LITO into the tax free threshold and increasing transparency, it is easier for people to judge whether or not they need to lodge a tax return


you do realise that your quote actually PROVES my point. I know you are stupid but....
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Re: Virgin increase price due to carbon tax
Reply #46 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:33pm
 
Gist wrote on Feb 28th, 2012 at 7:21pm:
____ wrote on Feb 28th, 2012 at 6:38pm:
What Long forgets to mention, the $150 is made up mostly from the neglect of infrastructure by liberal and Labor governments.

Nothing to little do with air travel or a carbon pricing.

It's a red herring.


Yes, it is. What wrongweekend also forgets is that the carbon tax hasn't been implemented yet. It's still months away. So any price increases are NOT due to the carbon tax. But why shoot all the ammo in one go?  Wink


Ive never thought of you as stupid but clearly I will have to rethink that. AGL has applied for a SPECIAL price increase of around $150/yr SPECIFICALLY to compensate for the carbon tax and was explicity stated as such. The airlines have also siad they are doing exacty the same thing.
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Re: Virgin increase price due to carbon tax
Reply #47 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:36pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 12:37pm:
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the price increase in electricity is not


Well they are when you are honest & don't include upgrading & maintaing infrastructure.
Something that has already been pointed out.
Here in NSW the CT accounts for approx 12% of the increases, so prices have risen but only 1/8th of the cost can be attributed to the CT.
A bit of honesty in your arguments might make a nice change, its like the BER lie you lot peddle 16.2 Billion wasn't wasted that was the total cost.


it is still an increase where the CT is an unncessary added input.

and the BER was largely wasted because it built things wether they were needed or not or wether the school was about to be closed or not. And bext of all, in many cases teh school had little to no say in what they got so when they wanted more classrooms they just demolished old ones and built new ones in their place - with less rooms.

by govt standards the BER was a good job. but by any reasonable measurement it was an enormously wasteful spending of money without planning or need.

true labor.
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Re: Virgin increase price due to carbon tax
Reply #48 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:38pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 2:25pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 12:37pm:
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the price increase in electricity is not


Well they are when you are honest & don't include upgrading & maintaing infrastructure.
Something that has already been pointed out.
Here in NSW the CT accounts for approx 12% of the increases, so prices have risen but only 1/8th of the cost can be attributed to the CT.A bit of honesty in your arguments might make a nice change, its like the BER lie you lot peddle 16.2 Billion wasn't wasted that was the total cost.


Tell me why there be a single cent of an increase because of a carbon tax??

How come our electricity prices in the United States are infinitely lower and yet we are still tackling climate change??



please dont pretend that the USA has any meaningful climate change policies. and it is cheaper because as a country you dont care that you ahve the highest poverty level (by a wide margin) in all of the developed world. It's easy to be cheap as long as your social conscience and moral responsibility are equally cheap.
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Reply #49 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:50pm
 
What I find interesting is no companies complained about added cost before the 2007 election when both the Coalition and ALP where planning to put a price on carbon.....It was not until Tony Abbott gave them oxygen to oppose pricing carbon that the scare campaign started.....If putting a price on carbon is such a bad policy why did John Howard and the Coalition including Tony Abbott claim it was the cheapest and most affective way to combat Climate Change.....Direct Action will still cost billions of dollars but it will be paid for by taxpayers not big business which is why companies are supporting it....It has nothing to do with which policy is the most effective and cheapest to combat Climate Change.....It is all about who will pay for Abbott's crap policies!!!
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Re: Virgin increase price due to carbon tax
Reply #50 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:54pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:33pm:
Gist wrote on Feb 28th, 2012 at 7:21pm:
____ wrote on Feb 28th, 2012 at 6:38pm:
What Long forgets to mention, the $150 is made up mostly from the neglect of infrastructure by liberal and Labor governments.

Nothing to little do with air travel or a carbon pricing.

It's a red herring.


Yes, it is. What wrongweekend also forgets is that the carbon tax hasn't been implemented yet. It's still months away. So any price increases are NOT due to the carbon tax. But why shoot all the ammo in one go?  Wink


Ive never thought of you as stupid but clearly I will have to rethink that. AGL has applied for a SPECIAL price increase of around $150/yr SPECIFICALLY to compensate for the carbon tax and was explicity stated as such. The airlines have also siad they are doing exacty the same thing.


If you're talking about the SA submission then yes. That application is made now because it takes time for it to be decided. They don't expect a decision until sometime in June, in time for the CT to be implemented in July. But nothing will be implemented for months, as I said.

By the way I notice that AGL are actually asking the government for the CT to be implemented on time. They want it sooner rather than later.

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'The impact of a carbon price is likely to be relatively immaterial relative to other price drivers over the next five years … AGL believes that energy efficiency can play a significant role in minimising any cost impacts on consumers associated with the introduction of a price on carbon,'' the submission said.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/agl-wants-carbon-tax-fixed-so-cleaner-energy-proj...

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Re: Virgin increase price due to carbon tax
Reply #51 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 7:06pm
 
Gist wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:54pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:33pm:
Gist wrote on Feb 28th, 2012 at 7:21pm:
____ wrote on Feb 28th, 2012 at 6:38pm:
What Long forgets to mention, the $150 is made up mostly from the neglect of infrastructure by liberal and Labor governments.

Nothing to little do with air travel or a carbon pricing.

It's a red herring.


Yes, it is. What wrongweekend also forgets is that the carbon tax hasn't been implemented yet. It's still months away. So any price increases are NOT due to the carbon tax. But why shoot all the ammo in one go?  Wink


Ive never thought of you as stupid but clearly I will have to rethink that. AGL has applied for a SPECIAL price increase of around $150/yr SPECIFICALLY to compensate for the carbon tax and was explicity stated as such. The airlines have also siad they are doing exacty the same thing.


If you're talking about the SA submission then yes. That application is made now because it takes time for it to be decided. They don't expect a decision until sometime in June, in time for the CT to be implemented in July. But nothing will be implemented for months, as I said.

By the way I notice that AGL are actually asking the government for the CT to be implemented on time. They want it sooner rather than later.

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'The impact of a carbon price is likely to be relatively immaterial relative to other price drivers over the next five years … AGL believes that energy efficiency can play a significant role in minimising any cost impacts on consumers associated with the introduction of a price on carbon,'' the submission said.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/agl-wants-carbon-tax-fixed-so-cleaner-energy-proj...



in other words, exactly what I said.
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Reply #52 - Feb 29th, 2012 at 7:32pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 7:06pm:
in other words, exactly what I said.


Hmm... OK. Having now reread your original somewhat nebulous post... I may have to pay that one...  Undecided
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Reply #53 - Mar 1st, 2012 at 4:35pm
 
so the carbon tax affects us already...
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Reply #54 - Mar 4th, 2012 at 4:06pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 6:36pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 12:37pm:
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the price increase in electricity is not


Well they are when you are honest & don't include upgrading & maintaing infrastructure.
Something that has already been pointed out.
Here in NSW the CT accounts for approx 12% of the increases, so prices have risen but only 1/8th of the cost can be attributed to the CT.
A bit of honesty in your arguments might make a nice change, its like the BER lie you lot peddle 16.2 Billion wasn't wasted that was the total cost.


it is still an increase where the CT is an unncessary added input.

and the BER was largely wasted because it built things wether they were needed or not or wether the school was about to be closed or not. And bext of all, in many cases teh school had little to no say in what they got so when they wanted more classrooms they just demolished old ones and built new ones in their place - with less rooms.

by govt standards the BER was a good job. but by any reasonable measurement it was an enormously wasteful spending of money without planning or need.

true labor.

true labor: lol, just so lol!

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THE SLOWEST INTERNET IN THE WORLD FROM THE COUNTRY BUILDING CHINA!!!

THE LIBS MADE US A GLOBAL JOKE, END OF STORY!!!
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Reply #55 - Mar 4th, 2012 at 4:08pm
 
Gist wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 7:32pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 7:06pm:
in other words, exactly what I said.


Hmm... OK. Having now reread your original somewhat nebulous post... I may have to pay that one...  Undecided

The slowest internet in the world fromt he country building china means the Howard era made us a global joke!

That is all she wrote.... the howard era had no legacy!


The above is exactly why the silver spooners hate themselves so much: they are appalled at the reputation left behind by their name!
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Reply #56 - Mar 4th, 2012 at 4:09pm
 
Carbon Tax!!

Stupid policy! Stupid idea!

PS - We ain't got one in the United States and we're tackling climate change.....
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Reply #57 - Mar 4th, 2012 at 4:10pm
 
[
u]The howard era surplus ws made in China as told by Tony Abbott!!

The libs have nada for brains offering free-kicks everywhere!!
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Reply #58 - Mar 4th, 2012 at 4:12pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4th, 2012 at 4:09pm:
Carbon Tax!!

Stupid policy! Stupid idea!

PS - We ain't got one in the United States and we're tackling climate change.....

The US is dead!

bye bye mr anthax victim!! Sorry about your nations prestige that will never rise again!

So sorry, but you were rotting well before 2001 and you might admit that to yourself in your next dream!

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